The Yahweh Unity

[Lightenup]

Mike,

You asked:

For example, are they accusing him of claiming to be Yahweh?

Yes, as the Son of God has the same name as His Father.

[Lightenup]

Mike,

You said:

Because the God of the Bible is a single-person entity called “He” and “Him”, and who loved the world so much that HE gave HIS only begotten Son.  And the God that you worship is a multi-person entity who is also, for some odd reason, called “He” and “Him”, but who does NOT have a son that “He” gave because “He” so loved the world.

First off…you said “Because the God of the Bible is a single-person entity called “He” and “Him”, and who loved the world so much that HE gave HIS only begotten Son.”

Do you believe that yourself, Mike? If so, why do you always call Him His servant?? And why do you refer to Him as just one of many begotten sons who were part of making man?

You can’t have it both ways.

You know that I believe in a Unity of YHVH that includes the Father and the Son. If you understood that one person in the Unity can send His own Son, also a member within the Unity, you wouldn’t be asking the questions you have asked. So, understand that to answer your own questions. Also, let’s not pretend that I haven’t clearly shown you other unities that take the singular pronoun of “he” and “him.” The Jews do that with Isaiah 53. They think the suffering servant is a unity…Israel. You will find singular pronouns in that passage, yet they think it is not referring to a person. They are wrong, but still it points out that the singular pronoun can refer to a unity.

I don’t have to address the rest of those questions since what I wrote here nullifies their relativity.

 

[Lightenup]

Mike,

You asked:

What do you think now, after including Phil 2:9?

He had His Father’s name of Yahveh in the OT so it would not be a new name for the Son. Yahveh our Righteousness is a new name though since He became our righteousness at the cross.

[Lightenup]

Mike,

You said:

 Kathi.  Your interpretation of the guy flattering Jesus doesn’t allow for the latter part of Jesus’ statement…

Mark 10:18… “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.”

Can anyone be righteous/good if God isn’t number one in his life? The rich young ruler had his possessions above God. That was the message whether or not the man was flattering Jesus by bowing down to Him and calling Him “good” or not, it doesn’t really matter for the main message of needing to put God first.

It is similar to the passage here:

Luke 6

46And why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I say? 47Everyone who is coming to Me, and hearing My words, and doing them, I will show you whom he is like. 48He is like to a man building a house, who dug and deepened, and laid a foundation on the rock. And a flood having come, the stream burst upon that house, and was not able to shake it, because it had been built well. 49But the one having heard and not having done is like to a man having built a house on the ground without a foundation, on which the stream burst, and immediately it fell, and the ruin of that house was great.”

In that passage Jesus asks a similar question. This time it was “why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord’ and not do what I say?” It is basically the same message, if the rich guy did what the “Good Master/Teacher” taught, he would have the done the first three commandments also, not just the last six that Jesus mentioned.

It would be an interesting search to see all the responses to “what must I do to be saved/inherit salvation?” Here is one:

29And having called for lights, he rushed in, and having become terrified, he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30And having brought them out, he was saying, “Sirs, what is necessary of me to do, that I may be saved?”

Acts 16 31And they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32And they spoke the word of the Lord to him along with all those in his house. 33And having taken them in that hour of the night, he washed them from the wounds, and immediately he was baptized, and all his household. 34And having brought them into the house, he laid a table for them and rejoiced with all his household, having believed in God.

[GeneBalthrop]

LU……Your wrong, Jesus’  message was clear and to the very point,  no one is completely “GOOD” except , our God and Jesus’ God.   Trying to devate from that “clear” point about what Jesus was saying,  about himself and all, is the exact reason so many people people get CONFUSED.  That is called “forcing the text”,  to try to make it say what in fact it is not saying. 

Bad form LU.

Peace and love to you and yours……….gene

[Berean]

Gene

If Jesus IS NOT GOOD, WHAT IS HE THEN?

Now read

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2 Corinthians 10:1
I Paul, I pray you, by the meekness and goodness of Christ, – me, humble in appearance when I am in the midst of you, and full of boldness towards you when I am far away, –

 

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Hebrews 1: 3 (Jesus)Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

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Colossians 1: 15

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Conclusion :

FATHER IS GOOD

The SON IS GOOD

 

[mikeboll64]

Mike: John 10:33 NIV… “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

Who is meant by the word theos there?  Who – in particular, by name or title – do you think the Jews are accusing Jesus of claiming to be?

For example, are they accusing him of claiming to be Yahweh?  Are they accusing him of claiming to be the invisible God whom know one has ever seen?  Give me a direct answer, please.  Thanks.

 

LU:  Yes, as the Son of God has the same name as His Father.

Just for verification… you think the Jews accused Jesus of claiming to be their own God, Yahweh, whom no man had ever seen (John 1:18)?  They were basically saying, “You, a mere man, claim to be our God!”

Have I understood you correctly?

[mikeboll64]

LU: First off…you said “Because the God of the Bible is a single-person entity called “He” and “Him”, and who loved the world so much that HE gave HIS only begotten Son.”

Do you believe that yourself, Mike? If so, why do you always call Him His servant? 

In the Bible, Jesus is called…

1.  Son of God.

2.  Only begotten son of God.

3.  Servant of God.

4.  Priest of God.

5.  Holy one of God.

6.  Word of God.

7.  Anointed one of God.

8.  Messenger of God.

9.  Sacrificial lamb of God.

10.  Prophet of God.

I call Jesus all of those things because the scriptures call Jesus all of those things.

LU:  And why do you refer to Him as just one of many begotten sons who were part of making man?

I don’t.  Jesus was one of the gods in heaven to whom the Most High God said, “Let us make man in our image.”  Afterwards, God alone made man in His image.

LU:  You know that I believe in a Unity of YHVH that includes the Father and the Son. If you understood that one person in the Unity can send His own Son, also a member within the Unity, you wouldn’t be asking the questions you have asked.

I would help if you could incorporate the word “God” into statements like the one above.  That way we can see things for what they really are.

You have stated that the “Yahweh Unity” is only one God – not two.  And that “God” to you is the Yahweh Unity.  In that case, your God did not love the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son.

See, John 3:16 doesn’t say “one person in a unity gave his son”.  It says GOD gave His son.

Who is the GOD that you worship and serve?  The Yahweh Unity (a combo of both Father and Son), right?

So Kathi, did the GOD you worship and serve as your Creator love the world so much that He gave His Son?  (Please include the word “God” in your answer, so it will align with the 3 scriptures that I’ve asked you about.  Thanks.)

LU:  Also, let’s not pretend that I haven’t clearly shown you other unities that take the singular pronoun of “he” and “him.”

I’m still waiting for a supporting example from the Bible, of from the history of the world in general, where a PAIR of persons is identified with the singular “he/his/him”.  Because otherwise, you’re trying to compare apples to oranges.

[mikeboll64]

Mike:  What do you think now, after including Phil 2:9?

 

LU:  He had His Father’s name of Yahveh in the OT so it would not be a new name for the Son. 

He did?

Jeremiah 23:6… In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: Yahweh Our Righteousness.

Now let’s add…

Jeremiah 33:16… In that day Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will live in safety. And this will be its name: Yahweh Our Righteousness.

So we have Jerusalem and Yahweh’s anointed one both being called by the same exact name… IN THE FUTURE.  Now let’s add…

Philippians 2:9… Therefore God also highly exalted him, and granted to him the name above every name…

Phil 2:9 is speaking about Jesus being granted this name AFTER he was raised from the dead.  And Paul uses the definite article “the” when he speaks of the one and only name that could possibly be above EVERY other name.  Now let’s add…

Revelation 3:12… I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my new name.

So we already know for sure that God’s name is Yahweh.  And we know for sure that New Jerusalem will be called Yahweh.  And we know for sure that Yahweh’s anointed will be called Yahweh.

We also know from Jer 23:6, Phil 2:9 and Rev 3:12 that Yahweh is a NEW NAME for God’s anointed holy servant… not a name that he previously had.

He WILL BE called Yahweh Our Righteousness.  He was GRANTED this name when his own God raised him from the dead and highly exalted him.  Jesus himself calls it “my NEW name”.

And finally, this NEW name is THE (not “a”) name above EVERY name.

So Kathi, would you agree that “Yahweh” is THE name above all other names?  Or do you suppose there is someone else in existence who has a higher name than the Most High God?

And even in your “Yahweh Unity” understanding, do you think that “Yahweh the Son”, who is a servant to the Father and calls the Father “my God”, would be endowed with a name that is HIGHER than the name of his own Master and God?  Of course not.

So the name that Jesus will write on those who overcome is the name of his own God, Yahweh.  And Jesus’ God Yahweh highly exalted His servant Jesus and GRANTED him His own name, Yahweh.  And God’s city of New Jerusalem, in which He will personally dwell, is also known by His own name, Yahweh.

Jesus is going to write ONE name on their foreheads, Kathi.  And that ONE name is the name of his God, the name of the city of his God, and his own NEW name that he didn’t have until he was highly exalted by his God.  That ONE name is “Yahweh”.

Please scrutinize my reasoning, and refute me if you can.  Thanks.

 

[Jodi]

Hi Berean,

Jesus is good THROUGH our Heavenly Father’s Spirit living in him without measure, which causes him to walk in all of God’s ways, it is the Spirit of YHVH that causes righteousness and thus in turn brings forth eternal life.

The mortal man Jesus was declared by God to be His only begotten Son at the river Jordan, this is not the word of God telling us that Jesus pre-existed as some one of a kind being and came down from heaven to earth taking on a flesh body where he thus is to be seen as a human while also some other one of a kind being.

The mortal man Jesus is declared the only begotten Son because that is exactly what he BECAME. It is ALL ABOUT THE SPIRIT and what our Father can accomplish with a human spirit (exactly why because of Jesus we can be raised from the dead, he is the example, the proof of the power of YHVH’s Spirit to cause righteousness). Jesus was FILLED without measure of the Spirit at the river Jordan and then we read directly that THIS Jesus was SENT out into the world, SENT BY GOD, thus sent down  to us FROM HEAVEN.

Jesus tells you directly in Luke 4, that he was anointed (chrio/christos)  of the Spirit, filled with the Spirit IN ORDER TO be sent out TO preach God’s Word, DO great works in God’s name, TO deliver captives. Jesus tells you that he is the word of God spoken by the prophet Isaiah made true in him, made true in a mortal man of flesh and bones. By the Spirit he was the brightness of God’s glory, made into His image just as prophesied, he was called to righteousness for to be a LIGHT a glory that God had promised to no other than a specific seed of Jesse and that of David.

The mortal man Jesus was called God’s only begotten Son, the resurrected Jesus who received the promised Holy Spirit is now called God’s firstborn of all creation, a firstborn of the dead into a new heaven and earth. God declared this WORD from the beginning and made all things in the beginning by reason of and for this firstborn of many brethren.

 

[Berean]

Hi Jodi

Jesus as a man was good by the Holy Spirit, I agree on that.
It remains to say that before his incarnation, being of divine nature, HE WAS GOOD LIKE THE FATHER.
AND IT IS TO GIVE US THE STRENGTH TO BECOME GOOD THAT THE FATHER SENT HIS DEAR SON BY JOINING HIS DIVINE NATURE WITH OUR HUMAN NATURE.(ROM.8/PHIL.2)

HE WAS MADE SIN SO THAT WE WILL BECOME GOD’S JUSTICE IN HIM.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.(2Cor.5:21)

[mikeboll64]

Jodi:  The mortal man Jesus was declared by God to be His only begotten Son at the river Jordan…

What Bible verse is that, Jodi?

[Jodi]

Good Morning Mike,

Thanks for your question and in this case I did speak in error, thank you for catching that! God declared at the river Jordan upon Jesus being filled with the Spirit without measure that he was his beloved Son.

As Jesus was the only mortal human who was given the Spirit of God without measure to dwell in him, such tells me that is exactly why then John would call Jesus God’s Only Begotten Son. IMO it could not be more obvious.

Being filled with the Spirit does not equate to being born of the Spirit and thus begotten by God? 

We are to be made into the image of the Son that he might be a firstborn among many brethren (R 8:29). Paul gives us that image when he says, “for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God” (R 8:14) We then read in Acts that Jesus was raised from the dead being exalted to God’s right hand having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2/33). We are also told that it is the Son of Man that sits at God’s right hand and it is the Son of Man who is returning to earth. This Son of Man is a Son of God, a firstborn of many brethren, BECAUSE of the Spirit dwelling in him that directs all his ways.

Paul goes even further to tell us in Romans 8, “16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.” Jesus received his inheritance becoming an heir of God when he received the promise of the Holy Spirit. That Spirit leads him in all of God’s ways, where thus there is no sin and no death, making him an eternal Son of God.

Likewise when Jesus was mortal he received that same Spirit to a measure that caused him to walk in all of God’s ways even following the command to go to his death. Such made the mortal Jesus an Only Begotten Son, but NOW he is a Son of what will be many Sons, a firstborn overall creation, the Eternal Creation. God declared this End from the beginning where all thing were made by reason of and for this firstborn.

[Jodi]

Hi Berean and All,

Let me ask again from the previous post to Mike,

Being filled with the Spirit does not equate to being born of the Spirit and thus begotten by God? 

Also to have the Spirit of God dwelling in you that does not equate being thus of the Divine nature of God? 

2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

once again Romans 8, 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”

Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Isaiah 11:2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

Jesus rose from the dead being given the PROMISED Holy Spirit, such makes him of the Divine Nature, having YVHV’s Spirit DWELLING IN you makes you of the divine nature, makes you a begotten Son, one born of God, born of His Spirit, which he also was at the river Jordan.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

The promise made unto David was that God would be a Father unto his descendant that he would not take His mercy/goodness away from him and that He would settle him into His Kingdom forever.

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Isaiah 42: 1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

I am sorry people, it’s obvious, it’s laid out so clearly! God putting his Spirit in Jesus without measure was him becoming God’s Only Begotten Son. His baptism and the Spirit descending upon him was a calling to righteousness where at that time forward the Spirit was leading Jesus to walk in ALL God’s ways, it was holding his hand and keeping him FROM SIN, so that he could be the lamb without blemish. This Jesus was sent out into the world, sent down from heaven meaning coming directly from God.

The PROMISED Spirit he received upon being raised from the dead was the glory of God that was for the man Jesus before the world was, as God declared the End from the beginning, where all things were made by reason of him and for him.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with (para OF) thee before the world was.

The Son of Man Jesus was asking for the promised Spirit declaring his faith in God of his resurrection where he knew he would then be exalted to sit at God’s right hand. Jesus knew this was God’s word before the world was, just as also eternal life was God’s promise before the world was. 

Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Just as God new before the world was, that Jesus of Nazareth would be crucified, He likewise knew he would be glorified, glorified as a savior made into a firstborn overall of an Eternal Creation to whom God would appoint him a king of kings. Nothing would have been made that was made if it were not for God’s plan for Jesus of Nazareth.

Psalms 89:27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.

 

[carmel]

Hi Jodi,

Jesus rose from the dead being given the PROMISED Holy Spirit,

such makes him of the Divine Nature,

ME: EXPAND PLEASE, THE ABOVE IS NOT CLEAR.

having YVHV’s Spirit DWELLING IN you makes you of the divine nature,

makes you a begotten Son, one born of God, born of His Spirit,

which he also was at the river Jordan.

Jodi the task at the river Jordan has nothing to do with the task of Jesus’ resurrection!

THEY ARE TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TASKS!

ONE FOR THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER ENTIRELY SPIRITUAL!

BY THE HOLY GHOST, JESUS’DIVINE NATURE, THE SON OF GOD!

ONE FOR THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE CARNAL RESPECTIVELY!

BY “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, THE SON OF MAN, JESUS HUMAN NATURE!

Well asserted in

John 4:36 And HE that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life everlasting: that both HE that soweth, and HE  that reapeth,

may rejoice together.

37For in this is the saying true:

That it is one man (“THE WORD”) that soweth, and it is another (THE HOLY GHOST) that reapeth. 

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[Jodi]

Good Morning All,

I want to add a few more,

Being filled with the Spirit does not equate to being born of the Spirit and thus begotten by God?

To have the Spirit of God dwelling in you that does not equate being thus of the Divine nature of God?

When Jesus received the Spirit of God without measure to dwell in him that does not equate to him being in the form of God?

When the man who was called to righteousness and knew no sin, but was persecuted as a transgressor with other men, was he not made thus in the likeness of man (a sinner)? and did he not humble himself as he was mocked, beaten, spit on and nailed to a cross being unjustly slain, doing so for us?

Did those who were sent out into the world, who were not from the world just as Jesus was not from the world, have the mind of Christ in them when they too were persecuted unto death for preaching God’s word?

[carmel]

Hi Jodi

You: Good Morning All,

I want to add a few more,

Being filled with the Spirit does not equate to being born of the Spirit and thus begotten by God?

ME: “BEGOTTEN BY GOD” IS  NOT ONLY A MILE AWAY FROM JOHN’S PROCLAMATION HEREUNDER, BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO BE COMPARED WITH:

(A) John1:18 No man hath seen God at any time:

(B) the “ONLY” begotten Son who “IS” in the bosom of the Father,

he hath declared him.

JODY, JESUS PRE-EXISTED BEFORE ALL AGES AND IS ETERNALLY THE BEGOTTEN SON! FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT JESUS IS THE ESSENCE AND SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER, Hebrews 1:3, THE FACT THAT IN THE ABOVE IT EMPHATICALLY DECLARES THAT

JESUS “IS” IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER: ETERNALLY!

Proverbs 8:

22The Lord POSSESSED ME in the beginning of his ways,

before he made anything from the beginning.

23I was set up from eternity,

and of old before the earth was made.

24 The depths were not as yet,

and I was already conceived.

neither had the fountains of waters as yet sprung out:

25The mountains with their huge bulk had not as yet been established:

before the hills I was brought forth:

26He had not yet made the earth, nor the rivers, nor the poles of the world.

27When he prepared the heavens,

I was present:

when with a certain law and compass he enclosed the depths:

28When he established the sky above, and poised the fountains of waters:

29When he compassed the sea with its bounds, and set a law to the waters that they should not pass their limits: when be balanced the foundations of the earth;

30I was with him forming all things:

and was delighted every day, playing before him at all times;

31Playing in the world:

and my DELIGHTS were to be with the children of men. (OF GENESIS 1:1 PERFECT)

The above verses are well attributed to Jesus in Matt. 11:19; 1 Cor. 1:24, 30; Col. 2:3.

You: To have the Spirit of God dwelling in you that does not equate being thus of the Divine nature of God?

2Peter 1:4By whom he hath given us most great and precious promises:

that by these you may be made “PARTAKERS” of the divine nature:

THROUGH JESUS’DIVINE NATURE ETERNALLY ONE SUBSTANCE AND ESSENCE WITH THE FATHER!

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

John14:9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me?

Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also.

How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?

John16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath, are mine.

Therefore I said, that he shall receive of mine, and shew it to you.

John17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

You: When Jesus received the Spirit of God without measure to dwell in him that does not equate to him being in the form of God?

Me: NOT PRECISELY Jodi, MORE APPROPRIATE:

GOD IN THE FORM OF MAN IN JESUS! 

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally; 

 

You: When the man who was called to righteousness and knew no sin, but was persecuted as a transgressor with other men, was he not made thus in the likeness of man (a sinner)? and did he not humble himself as he was mocked, beaten, spit on and nailed to a cross being unjustly slain, doing so for us?

John14:9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me?

Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also.

How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?

Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works. 11Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? 12Otherwise believe for the very works’ sake. …..

Jodi, Jesus was not yet arrested never mind as you said above “was persecuted as a transgressor with other men, was he not made thus in the likeness of man (a sinner)?” and so on 

WHO IN YOUR OPINION IN RELATION TO JOHN 14:9-12 ABOVE

HUMBLED HIMSELF

THE FATHER

JESUS OR

BOTH THE FATHER AND JESUS!

YOU: Did those who were sent out into the world, who were not from the world just as Jesus was not from the world, have the mind of Christ in them when they too were persecuted unto death for preaching God’s word?

FIRST AND FOREMOST:

GOD’S WORD IS JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, JESUS’HUMAN NATURE!

THUS PREACHING JESUS’GOSPEL

JESUS’ OWN WORDS

IS MORE APPROPRIATE! 

Matthew 28:19 Going, therefore, teach ye all nations;

baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever

I have commanded you:

and behold I am with you all days,

even to the consummation of the world.

 

John12:44But Jesus cried, and said:

He that believeth in me, doth not believe in me,

but in him that sent me. 

45And he that seeth me,

seeth him that sent me. 

46I am come as light into the world;

that whosoever believeth in me, may not remain in darkness. 

47And if any man hears MY WORDS,

and keep them not, I do not judge him: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Luke 6 And why call you me, Lord, Lord;

and do not the things which I say?

 47Every one that cometh to me,

and heareth MY WORDS, and doth them,

I will shew you to whom he is like. 48He is like to a man building a house, who digged deep, and laid the foundation upon a rock. And when a flood came, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and it could not shake it;

for it was founded on a rock.

1Corinthians 10:2 And all in Moses were baptized, in the cloud, and in the sea: 3And did all eat the same spiritual food, 4And all drank the same spiritual drink; (and they drank of the spiritual rock that followed them,

and the rock was Christ.) 

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[GeneBalthrop]

Carmel…….yes the rock was The christos,  but that wasen’t the man Jesus,  he had not even been anointed with the Holy Spirit yet, because he didn’t exist yet.

The Spirit was on Moses   Joshua, Calab, and the Seventy Elders  That God put it on, as acripture clearly says.   Trying to force the text to say that Jesus was there,  is another of you false teaching,  there is no scripture that say the Jesus Christ was there at that time in history.

What Jodi said is apsolute right,  and you are apsolute wrong as usual.

Peace and love to you and yours………..gene

[Berean]

Gene

Carmel…….yes the rock was The christos,  but that wasen’t the man Jesus,  he had not even been anointed with the Holy Spirit yet, because he didn’t exist yet. 

Me

Always this “YES”…”BUT”….

Read:

“For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ: Israel even had the presence of Jesus Christ with them in the wilderness! Here, in identifying the Rock that followed them, Paul builds on a rabbinical tradition that said Israel was supplied with water by the same rock all through the wilderness, a rock that followed them. Some Bible scholars today debate as to if the rock followed Israel, or if the water followed Israel (as in a stream). The point is the same: Jesus Christ was present with Israel in the wilderness, providing for their needs miraculously. What blessing, what privilege! ”

1 Corinthians Chapter 10

 

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Jodi: Good Morning Mike,

Thanks for your question and in this case I did speak in error, thank you for catching that! God declared at the river Jordan upon Jesus being filled with the Spirit without measure that he was his beloved Son.

As Jesus was the only mortal human who was given the Spirit of God without measure to dwell in him, such tells me that is exactly why then John would call Jesus God’s Only Begotten Son. IMO it could not be more obvious.

Being filled with the Spirit does not equate to being born of the Spirit and thus begotten by God? 

We are to be made into the image of the Son that he might be a firstborn among many brethren (R 8:29). Paul gives us that image when he says, “for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God” (R 8:14)

I hear what you are saying, Jodi.  When do you think Jesus ceased being God’s only begotten son and became one of many begotten sons of God?

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