The Trinity Doctrine

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2013,13:47)

Hi Pierre, The “HolySpirit” is how big “GOD” is. Not a separate person, or a nonentity, but God himself. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

you do not address my point 'THE HOLY SPIRIT IS OF GOD NOT GOD ,

WERE IN SCRIPTURES DOES IT SAYS THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT HIS GOD HIMSELF

[terraricca]

Edj

witch spirit our we talking about went it says ;;HOLY SPIRIT “

Etymology

The English word spirit comes from the Latin spiritus, meaning “breath”, but also “spirit, soul, courage, vigor”, ultimately from a Proto-Indo-European *(s)peis. It is distinguished from Latin anima, “soul” (which nonetheless also derives from an Indo-European root meaning “to breathe”, earliest form *h2enh1- [2]). In Greek, this distinction exists between pneuma (πνευμα), “breath, motile air, spirit,” and psykhē (ψυχη), “soul”[3] (even though the latter term, ψῡχή = psykhē/psūkhē, is also from an Indo-European root meaning “to breathe”: *bhes-, zero grade *bhs- devoicing in proto-Greek to *phs-, resulting in historical-period Greek ps- in psūkhein, “to breathe”, whence psūkhē, “spirit”, “soul”[4]).
The word “spirit” came into Middle English via Old French. The distinction between soul and spirit also developed in the Abrahamic religions: Arabic nafs (نفس) opposite rúħ (روح); Hebrew neshama (נְשָׁמָה nəšâmâh) or nephesh (in Hebrew neshama comes from the root NŠM or “breath”) opposite ruach (רוּחַ rûaħ). (Note, however, that in Semitic just as in Indo-European, this dichotomy has not always been as neat historically as it has come to be taken over a long period of development: Both נֶ֫פֶשׁ (root נפשׁ) and רוּחַ (root רוח), as well as cognate words in various Semitic languages, including Arabic, also preserve meanings involving misc. air phenomena: “breath”, “wind”, and even “odour”.[5][6][7])
[edit]Metaphysical and metaphorical uses

English-speakers use the word “spirit” in two related contexts, one metaphysical and the other metaphorical.
[edit]Metaphysical contexts
In metaphysical terms, “spirit” has acquired a number of meanings:
An incorporeal but ubiquitous, non-quantifiable substance or energy present individually in all living things. Unlike the concept of souls (often regarded as eternal and sometimes believed to pre-exist the body) a spirit develops and grows as an integral aspect of a living being.[8] This concept of the individual spirit occurs commonly in animism. Note the distinction between this concept of spirit and that of the pre-existing or eternal soul: belief in souls occurs specifically and far less commonly, particularly in traditional societies. One might more properly term this type/aspect of spirit “life” (bios in Greek) or “aether” rather than “spirit” (pneuma in Greek).
A daemon sprite, or especially a ghost. People usually conceive of a ghost as a wandering spirit from a being no longer living, having survived the death of the body yet maintaining at least vestiges of mind and of consciousness.
In religion and spirituality, the respiration of a human has for obvious reasons become seen as strongly linked with the very occurrence of life. A similar significance has become attached to human blood. Spirit, in this sense, means the thing that separates a living body from a corpse—and usually implies intelligence, consciousness, and sentience.
Latter-day Saint prophet Joseph Smith Jr. taught that the concept of spirit as incorporeal or without substance was incorrect: “There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes.”[9]
In some Native American spiritual traditions the Great Spirit or Wakan Tanka is a term for the Supreme Being.
Various forms of animism, such as Japan's Shinto and African traditional religion, focus on invisible beings that represent or connect with plants, animals (sometimes called “Animal Fathers)”, or landforms (kami)[citation needed]: translators usually employ the English word “spirit” when trying to express the idea of such entities.
Individual spirits envisaged as interconnected with all other spirits and with “The Spirit” (singular and capitalized). This concept relates to theories of a unified spirituality, to universal consciousness and to some concepts of Deity. In this scenario all separate “spirits”, when connected, form a greater unity, the Spirit, which has an identity separate from its elements plus a consciousness and intellect greater than its elements; an ultimate, unified, non-dual awareness or force of life combining or transcending all individual units of consciousness. The experience of such a connection can become a primary basis for spiritual belief. The term spirit occurs in this sense in (to name but a few) Anthroposophy, Aurobindo, A Course In Miracles, Hegel, Ken Wilber, and Meher Baba (though in his teachings, “spirits” are only apparently separate from each other and from “The Spirit.”)[10] In this use, the term seems conceptually identical to Plotinus's “The One” and Friedrich Schelling's “Absolute”. Similarly, according to the panentheistic/pantheistic view, Spirit equates to essence that can manifest itself as mind/soul through any level in pantheistic hierarchy/holarchy, such as through a mind/soul of a single cell (with very primitive, elemental consciousness), or through a human or animal mind/soul (with consciousness on a level of organic synergy of an individual human/animal), or through a (superior) mind/soul with synergetically extremely complex/sophisticated consciousness of whole galaxies involving all sub-levels, all emanating (since the superior mind/soul operates non-dimensionally, or trans-dimensionally) from the one Spirit.
Christian theology can use the term “Spirit” to describe God, or aspects of God — as in the “Holy Spirit”, referring to a Triune God (Trinity)(cf Gospel of Matthew 28:19).
“Spirit” forms a central concept in pneumatology (note that pneumatology studies “pneuma” (Greek for “spirit”) not “psyche” (Greek for “soul”) — as studied in psychology).
Christian Science uses “Spirit” as one of the seven synonyms for God, as in: “Principle; Mind; Soul; Spirit; Life; Truth; Love”[11]
Harmonism reserves the term “spirit” for those that collectively control and influence an individual from the realm of the mind.
[edit]Metaphorical usage
The metaphorical use of the term likewise groups several related meanings:
The loyalty and feeling of inclusion in the social history or collective essence of an institution or group, such as in school spirit or esprit de corps.
A closely related meaning refers to the worldview of a person, place, or time, as in “The Declaration of Independence was written in the spirit of John Locke and his notions of liberty”, or the term zeitgeist, meaning “spirit of the age”.
As a synonym for “vivacity” as in “She performed the piece with spirit” or “She put up a spirited defense”.
The underlying intention of a text as distinguished from its literal meaning, especially in law; see Letter and spirit of the law
As a term for alcoholic beverages.
In mysticism: existence in unity with Godhead. Soul may also equate with spirit, but the soul involves certain individual human consciousness, while spirit comes from beyond that. Compare the psychological teaching of Al-Ghazali.
See soul and ghost and spiritual for related discussions.
[edit]Related concepts in other languages

Similar concepts in other languages include Greek pneuma and Sanskrit akasha/atman;[3] see also Prana. Some languages use a word for “spirit” often closely related (if not synonymous) to “mind”. Examples include the German Geist (related to the English word “ghost”) or the French 'l'esprit'. Eng
lish versions of the Bible most commonly translate the Hebrew word “ruach” (רוח; “wind”) as “the spirit”, whose essence is divine[12] (see Holy Spirit and ruach hakodesh). Alternatively, Hebrew texts commonly use the word nephesh. Kabbalists regard nephesh as one of the five parts of the Jewish soul, where nephesh (animal) refers to the physical being and its animal instincts. Similarly, Scandinavian languages, Baltic languages, Slavic languages and the Chinese language (qi) use the words for “breath” to express concepts similar to “the spirit”.[3]

did you find one that fits the “HOLY SPIRIT”

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 27 2013,04:07)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2013,13:47) Hi Pierre, The “HolySpirit” is how big “GOD” is. Not a separate person, or a nonentity, but God himself. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj you do not address my point 'THE HOLY SPIRIT IS OF GOD NOT GOD , WERE IN SCRIPTURES DOES IT SAYS THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT HIS GOD HIMSELF

“Why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the HolySpirit?
“thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God” (Acts 5:3-4)

[mikeboll64]

“”Why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the angel of the LORD?  thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God”

What if it said that, Ed?  Would you then:
A.  Think the angel of the LORD actually WAS the LORD?
B.  Understand that by lying to one of God's reps, you are in effect lying to the God he represents?

Which one would you believe?

I would believe the latter, which is also how I believe the verse you posted.  By lying to the Holy Spirit OF God, you are in effect lying to the God who owns that Spirit.  For example, if you lied to the “ears” of God, you would be lying to God Himself, right?  Yet God's ears are not the being of God.  Instead, they are the ears OF God.  Like the Holy Spirit is OF God.

(Also, Acts 4:9 re-confirms that they tested the Spirit OF the Lord.  But in doing so, one could also say they tested the Lord Himself.)

Here is a scriptural example for you to consider:
Deuteronomy 1:26 KJV
Notwithstanding ye would not go up, but rebelled against the commandment of the Lord your God:

The Hebrew actually says they rebelled against “the MOUTH of Jehovah your God”.  NETNotes adds the obvious as a footnote:
The mouth stands by metonymy for the Lord’s command, which in turn represents the Lord himself.

Do you see how “rebelled against the mouth of the LORD” ends up meaning they rebelled against the LORD Himself?  And that IS who they rebelled against, right?

Similarly, lying to the Spirit OF God, by metonymy, stands for them lying to God Himself.

Understand?  Or will YOU rebel against the “mouth of Mike”, because that mouth is telling you things you should already know, but refuse to accept, because your own, personal doctrine will not allow for these things?  

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,01:54)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 27 2013,04:07) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2013,13:47) Hi Pierre, The “HolySpirit” is how big “GOD” is. Not a separate person, or a nonentity, but God himself. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj you do not address my point 'THE HOLY SPIRIT IS OF GOD NOT GOD , WERE IN SCRIPTURES DOES IT SAYS THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT HIS GOD HIMSELF “Why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the HolySpirit? “thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God” (Acts 5:3-4)

edj

I have answered that to you ,it seems you do not like to learn ,

again IF YOU ACCEPT CHRIST AND THE GRACE OF GOD ,YOU ARE NOW CONTROLLED BY THE TRUTH OF GOD ,AND IF YOU LIE YOU ARE LIE AGAINST THE TRUTH WHAT YOU HAVE NOW DEVOTED YOUR LIVE TO,AND YOU HAVE BEEN FOUND A LIAR ,THIS EXAMPLE WILL BE THE SAME TO ANYONE THAN DOES NOT FOLLOW THE TRUTH WILL END UP JUST LIKE THAT COUPLE WHO THOUGHT TO THAT THEY SERVED MEN

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2013,06:54)

“Why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the HolySpirit? “thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God” (Acts 5:3-4)

Hi Pierre,

That verse (Acts 5:3-4) is in essence saying the “HolySpirit” is GOD.
The accounts of Jesus' conception also say the “HolySpirit” is GOD.

“she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.” (Matt 1:18)
“born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)
These verses formulate to say the “HolySpirit” is GOD.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Eddy?

[Ed J]

Mike?

[mikeboll64]

Were you going to address the valid points I made in my last post to you?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2013,07:49)

“”Why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the angel of the LORD?  thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God” What if it said that, Ed?  Would you then: A.  Think the angel of the LORD actually WAS the LORD? B.  Understand that by lying to one of God's reps, you are in effect lying to the God he represents? Which one would you believe? I would believe the latter, which is also how I believe the verse you posted.  By lying to the Holy Spirit OF God, you are in effect lying to the God who owns that Spirit.

Hi Mike: sorry I didn't know that this post was to me.  

A. The bible specifies that it was an “Angel” in the burning bush that was the voice of God.

B. Does your spirit merely represent you?
    My spirit is the essence of my being. Also we will be
    getting a husk upgrade in the resurrection to house our being.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Proclaimer]

Please address the points Ed J. If you cannot, then just say so. No one has a problem with that.

[mikeboll64]

And was it truly the Almighty Creator of the universe who was in that bush, Ed? Or are you able to understand that Moses was talking to God THROUGH one of His angels, who was in the bush?

Also, address the “ear” part of my post. If you lied directly to God's ears, are you lying to God? YES or NO?

And are the ears of God the being of God Almighty Himself? Or a part of Him?

Also, address the “mouth of God” part. Are you able to understand the metonymy that the NETNotes scholars spoke about? Do you understand that if the “mouth OF God” told them something, you can also say “GOD” told them something? Yet the mouth OF God isn't actually the entire being of God, right? It is only a small part of Him, right?

[Proclaimer]

Some points to consider.

Is God, Spirit in the same way that Adam is flesh?

If so, is Adam the actual flesh, or maybe adam refers to the nature of man?

It is written somewhere that the LORD is the Spirit.
So does that mean that the Father is the Holy Spirit or has a spirit that is holy?

[Ed J]

Hi T8,

Also consider this, “GOD” is called the father of Spirits.
Since the “Holy Spirit” is “Spirit”, that only leaves two slots.  

1. Father
2. Son

What is the alternative to say – the “HolySpirit”(?) is not a spirit?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[carmel]

Ed wrote:

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The HolySpirit is God's “Spirit”

Edj,

PERFECT:

Now reflect:

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, shall never have forgiveness, but shall be guilty of an everlasting sin.

Therefore there's no doubt that the Holy Ghost is GOD in action!!!

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[Ed J]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 28 2013,17:37)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2013,16:20) Quote The HolySpirit is God's “Spirit” Edj, PERFECT: Now reflect: Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, shall never have forgiveness, but shall be guilty of an everlasting sin. Therefore there's no doubt that the Holy Ghost is GOD in action!!! Peace and love in Jesus Charles

Hi Charles,

It would help if you were to read “The Bible”
instead of the perversion you posted.

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the HolySpirit
hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

those words aren't even close

[carmel]

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It would help if you were to read “The Bible” instead of the perversion you posted

Edj,

These four are enough, no???

If not there are more to verify yourself!

American standard version:

but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin:

Douay-Rheims Bible
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, shall never have forgiveness, but shall be guilty of an everlasting sin.

Darby Bible Translation
but whosoever shall speak injuriously against the Holy Spirit, to eternity has no forgiveness; but lies under the guilt of an everlasting sin;

English Revised Version
but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin:

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[mikeboll64]

Some Greek mss have “sin” in Mark 3:29, and some have “krisis”, which means “condemnation and/or punishment”, ie: “damnation”.

I haven't looked into it, but seeing how all the most recent English Bibles have “sin”, I'm assuming that this is just another case of the KJV being flawed because it was translated from more recent, alterated mss.

[carmel]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 27 2013,14:50)

Some points to consider. Is God, Spirit in the same way that Adam is flesh? If so, is Adam the actual flesh, or maybe adam refers to the nature of man? It is written somewhere that the LORD is the Spirit. So does that mean that the Father is the Holy Spirit or has a spirit that is holy?

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It is written somewhere that the LORD is the Spirit. So does that mean that the Father is the Holy Spirit or has a spirit that is holy?

t8,

There is but one God; but this one God makes Himself known to man as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and they are separate personalities.

The words HOLY SPIRIT  IS A DIRECT REFERENCE TO GOD, AND ALL HIS OWN SEVEN SPIRITS.ALL GOD'S SPIRITS ARE THE MOST HOLY!!!

THE TERM:

FATHER : SON: HOLY SPIRIT, IS FOR US TO BE AWARE THAT GOD FUNCTIONS  BOTH IN  THREE VARIOUS WAYS, AND ALSO SINGLE, IN THE SAME INSTANTBUT IT IS ALWAYS HIM ALL THE TIME, IN ANY WAY HE PLEASES HIMSELF TO BE!!! BUT STILL WITHIN THOSE THREE SPIRITS WHICH ARE:

LOVE : THE FATHER

WISDOM:  THE SON

POWER : THE HOLY SPIRIT.

WHEN WE READ ABOUT THE FATHER, WE UNAWARE, AND MYSTERIOUSLY ALSO WOULD BE READING BOTH ABOUT THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THE SAME INSTANT,AND THIS IS ALSO APPLIES TO THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT RESPECTIVELY.

SO REFLECTING ON THE ABOVE, LOVE, WISDOM AND POWER, THEY ARE ALWAYS IN FULL HARMONY, AND WHATEVER IS CREATED IT IS CREATED ALSO HARMONIZED IN THESE THREE VIRTUES!

WHEN GOD WAS ONE IN HIS GLORY, HE WAS NOT ONE ONLY, BUT IN HIM HE HAD THE WORD. IN THE SAME WAY,THE WORD IS NOT HIS SON ONLY, BUT HIS SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN HIS SON.  THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS BETWEEN THE FATHER AND HIS SON.

SO I LOOK AT IT, THAT GOD SIMPLY HAD TWO OTHER SPIRITS WITHIN HIM!!! AND WITH THESE THREE SPIRITS ,GOD EXPANDED BY CREATING FURTHER SEVEN SPIRITS, AND SO ON TILL HE CREATED THE ENTIRE SPIRITUAL CREATURES,AND IN THE SAME  TIME HE STILL KEPT  HIS ORIGNAL ONENESS, AND HIS TRIUNE.

MORE TO COME!

Peace and love in Jesus
Charles

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