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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,14:42) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,18:53) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,13:48) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,18:18) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,10:43) Hi Pierre, Not so, the bible says in Adam all die, not EVE;
for she(EVE) is the mother of ALL living;
was Jesus not (in fact) living?Jesus also misses the curse put on David's lineage,
because Nathan (Mary's great great … Grand father: see
Luke 3:23-31), son of David, was already born. (ref. 2 Samuel 12:10)God bless
Ed J
So Eve still alive now some were on earth
Being the first and only one women ,tell me was their any other alternative
Mean become the mother of the first generation of humans
Hi Pierre,In Hebrew there is no word “Great, great, great. ect. …Grandmother”.
God bless
Ed J
EdjWhat is this answer mean to my questions
Hi Pierre,Eve is the mother of all living, but
Adam is NOT the father of all living.Now do you get it?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
nO i DO NOT GET ITIF EVE HIS THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING ;TELL me WHY ADAM IS “NOT ” THE FATHER OF THE SAME ALL LIVING
?Hi Pierre,
Jesus' father was GOD; Adam was NOT
Jesus' great, great, great, great grandfather.On the other hand Mary was Jesus' biological mother,
so Eve was Jesus' great, great, great, great grandmother.
Eve is the mother of all living, but not Adam. Now do you get it?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2013,05:21) Hi Pierre, Jesus' father was GOD; Adam was NOT
Jesus' great, great, great, great grandfather.On the other hand Mary was Jesus' biological mother,
so Eve was Jesus' great, great, great, great grandmother.
Eve is the mother of all living, but not Adam. Now do you get it?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edjso what you telling me ,is that Jesus did not exist prior to his birth from Mary
if so how could God be his father then
I agree with what you say about Adam and Eve in that way ,
mikeboll64,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Nor do I think Adam is the first ever soul, since God Himself also has a soul – which assumably existed long before Adam's soul existed. Mike,
The soul is a creature.
It is created by GOD through Jesus' spirit,to act as a mediator BETWEEN GOD AND MANKIND.
THE SOUL IS THE ONLY HOUSE OF GOD!!!
GOD IS ONLY A SPIRIT BEING!!!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2013,13:18) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2013,05:21) Hi Pierre, Jesus' father was GOD; Adam was NOT
Jesus' great, great, great, great grandfather.On the other hand Mary was Jesus' biological mother,
so Eve was Jesus' great, great, great, great grandmother.
Eve is the mother of all living, but not Adam. Now do you get it?God bless
Ed J
Edjso what you telling me ,is that Jesus did not exist prior to his birth from Mary
if so how could God be his father then
I agree with what you say about Adam and Eve in that way ,
Hi Pierre,I believe we all preexisted.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgterraricca,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote so what you telling me ,is that Jesus did not exist prior to his birth from Mary Terraricca,
HE EXISTED AS A SPIRIT, THE WORD, ETERNALLY ONE WITH GOD.
HE LEFT GOD, IN ORDER FOR THE FATHER, THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST, TO CREATE ALL THROUGH HIM!
John 1:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for
I PROCEEDED FORTH (NOT CREATED)
and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Yes that is a good point Charles.
He PROCEEDED FORTH.
It doesn't actually mean that he has lived forever if that is what you are saying. It just means that all that Jesus is, came from God. He wasn't created in the sense that all created things are made by God through Jesus as stated in scripture.
When we are born again, we are born of God and we are like Jesus who is the only begotten of God.
And guess what, we proceed from our parents. They didn't create us. Likewise Jesus father is God.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2013,11:41) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2013,13:18) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2013,05:21) Hi Pierre, Jesus' father was GOD; Adam was NOT
Jesus' great, great, great, great grandfather.On the other hand Mary was Jesus' biological mother,
so Eve was Jesus' great, great, great, great grandmother.
Eve is the mother of all living, but not Adam. Now do you get it?God bless
Ed J
Edjso what you telling me ,is that Jesus did not exist prior to his birth from Mary
if so how could God be his father then
I agree with what you say about Adam and Eve in that way ,
Hi Pierre,I believe we all preexisted.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjI do not believe we all pre existed ,their are no scriptures to that right
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2013,02:50) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2013,11:41) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2013,13:18) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2013,05:21) Hi Pierre, Jesus' father was GOD; Adam was NOT
Jesus' great, great, great, great grandfather.On the other hand Mary was Jesus' biological mother,
so Eve was Jesus' great, great, great, great grandmother.
Eve is the mother of all living, but not Adam. Now do you get it?God bless
Ed J
Edjso what you telling me ,is that Jesus did not exist prior to his birth from Mary
if so how could God be his father then
I agree with what you say about Adam and Eve in that way ,
Hi Pierre,I believe we all preexisted.
God bless
Ed J
EdjI do not believe we all pre existed ,their are no scriptures to that right
Hi Pierre,Our Preexistence
Yes, we all preexisted our physical flesh!
Thanks very much for your concern in this matter!
2Tm.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace,
which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began, (John 15:27)More evidence:
Jer.1:5 Before I(YHVH) formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I(YHVH) ordained thee(Jeremiah) a prophet unto the nations.“The Word” in us!
John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness (by the HolySpirit),
because [[[ye]]] have been with me from the beginning.
Acts 12:24 But “The word” of God grew and multiplied.“Twice dead, plucked up by the roots”
Jude:1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you,
feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of
winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (carmel @ Jan. 21 2013,12:15) terraricca,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote so what you telling me ,is that Jesus did not exist prior to his birth from Mary Terraricca,
HE EXISTED AS A SPIRIT, THE WORD, ETERNALLY ONE WITH GOD.
HE LEFT GOD, IN ORDER FOR THE FATHER, THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST, TO CREATE ALL THROUGH HIM!
John 1:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for
I PROCEEDED FORTH (NOT CREATED)
and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
CharlesI see it this way; if Christ the WORD of God was not the first creation of God then in no way can men be saved ,because it is impossible for God to be involve with corruption ,and so the only way out would be total destruction ,but because of THE WORD who intervene in our behalves ,a solution was found to bring ,men back to God in what would be acceptable to God ,and that was put into motion ,and so the WORD himself came many times to visit the prophets to tell them about things that will happen then and lather ,this was to bring the hope of men to look for the time of his coming and also to bring forth the way of salvation what all men hunger for,
wen the time came for the WORD to come on earth and pay the price (this was the solution ) to bring back men to God ,God made the arrangement to fulfill it by the power of his holy spirit ,to make the Word come under the cover of flesh ,this was done through his servant Mary ,she ad no part in bringing into the world the son of God ,she only was the means to do it ,and so become a blessing as part of God will to save men,
wen Christ died it was MISSION ACCOMPLISHED ,and only the call of the righteous would be on for generation until such a time that it ends ,soon
Edj
Quote Our Preexistence Yes, we all preexisted our physical flesh!
Thanks very much for your concern in this matter!
2Tm.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace,
which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began, (John 15:27)More evidence:
Jer.1:5 Before I(YHVH) formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I(YHVH) ordained thee(Jeremiah) a prophet unto the nations.“The Word” in us!
John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness (by the HolySpirit),
because [[[ye]]] have been with me from the beginning.
Acts 12:24 But “The word” of God grew and multiplied.“Twice dead, plucked up by the roots”
Jude:1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you,
feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of
winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;let see your scriptures ;
2Ti 1:9 who has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,
I see it this way; if Christ the WORD of God was not the first creation of God then in no way can men be saved ,because it is impossible for God to be involve with corruption ,and so the only way out would be total destruction ,but because of THE WORD who intervene in our behalves ,a solution was found to bring ,men back to God in what would be acceptable to God ,and that was put into motion ,and so the WORD himself came many times to visit the prophets to tell them about things that will happen then and lather ,this was to bring the hope of men to look for the time of his coming and also to bring forth the way of salvation what all men hunger for,
wen the time came for the WORD to come on earth and pay the price (this was the solution ) to bring back men to God ,God made the arrangement to fulfill it by the power of his holy spirit ,to make the Word come under the cover of flesh ,this was done through his servant Mary ,she ad no part in bringing into the world the son of God ,she only was the means to do it ,and so become a blessing as part of God will to save men,
wen Christ died it was MISSION ACCOMPLISHED ,and only the call of the righteous would be on for generation until such a time that it ends ,soon
Jer 1:4 The word of the LORD came to me, saying,
Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”in this verse it is THE WORD (CHRIST ) OF GOD THAT TALKS TO JEREMY ABOUT THE SOLUTION TO SAVE MEN AND MADE IT THAT JEREMY WOULD BE A PART OF IT AND THAT HE AD FORESEEN THE OFFSPRING OF THE GENERATIONS ,THIS IS POSSIBLE BUT DOES NOT MAKE IT GENERAL TO APPLY TO ALL OF US ,ONLY TO SOME FOR GOD PURPOSE,
Jn 15:27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.
Jn 16:1 “All this I have told you so that you will not go astray.wen Christ says here the BEGINNING it means the start of his ministry ,this is clear from verse 16;1
Jude 1:12 These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead.
MT 25:2 “Five of them were foolish, and five were prudent.
MT 25:3 “For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them,
MT 25:4 but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps.
MT 25:5 “Now while the bridegroom was delaying, they all got drowsy and began to sleep.
MT 25:6 “But at midnight there was a shout, ‘Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
MT 25:7 “Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
MT 25:8 “The foolish said to the prudent, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’
MT 25:9 “But the prudent answered, ‘No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.’
MT 25:10 “And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
MT 25:11 “Later the other virgins also came, saying, ‘ Lord, lord, open up for us.’
MT 25:12 “But he answered, ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.’
MT 25:13 “ Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.so there is no preexistence for anyone of us ,only that some are playing a bigger part in God purpose than others ,that's all
t8,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote It doesn't actually mean that he has lived forever t8,
1John 1That which was from the beginning, THE WORD
which we have heard, JESUS
which we have seen with our eyes, JESUS
which we have looked upon, JESUS
and our hands have handled, JESUS
of the word of life: JESUS
2 For the life was manifested; BECAME MAN
and we have seen and do bear witness, and declare unto you the
LIFE ETERNAL,
which was with the Father, ETERNAL
and hath appeared to us: : BECAME MAN!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 11 2012,16:15) You say He is Lord.
I say He is LORD!LORD as in Jehovah, the Son.
You can't say that Jesus is LORD as in Jehovah, the Son.
Amen!Quote (t8 @ Dec. 20 2012,05:45) LU, you need to be careful with your words for in your words are life and death.
If you say that YHWH is the God of this world, then you could quite well be indirectly implying that God is evil.
T8It would seem that it is your own tongue that denies that God has all power in heaven and in earth!
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, “ALL POWER“ is given unto me “IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH' Math 28:19
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 2 Tim 3:13
WJ
It says “all authority”, Keith. Not “all power”. And yes, the God of Jesus GAVE His firstborn Son all kinds of authority.
Keith, Jesus says that our God is also his God. The God of Jesus is the Father alone. Therefore, the God of us is also the Father alone.
Quote (carmel @ Jan. 21 2013,12:15) terraricca,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote so what you telling me ,is that Jesus did not exist prior to his birth from Mary Terraricca,
HE EXISTED AS A SPIRIT, THE WORD, ETERNALLY ONE WITH GOD.
HE LEFT GOD, IN ORDER FOR THE FATHER, THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST, TO CREATE ALL THROUGH HIM!
John 1:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for
I PROCEEDED FORTH (NOT CREATED)
and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charlesyour point ad puzzled me for a while ;on those words that Christ said :Jn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
those words are true but from Christ perspective only ,not yours,
look what Christ said lather that “I PROCEEDED FORTH ;;AND CAME FROM THE FATHER ; THEN GO ON AND SAID ;;NEITHER CAME I OF MYSELF ,BUT HE SEND ME ;;;
SO ;ALL WHAT CHRIST WAS TALKING ABOUT IS ,HIS BEING THEIR IN THEIR PRESENCE ,AND TELL THEM HOW HE CAME TO BE THERE , RIGHT THERE FACING THEM .
SO THIS SCRIPTURE AS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRIST CREATION AT ALL BUT WITH HIS COMING IN THE FLESH .
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2013,03:30) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 20 2012,05:45) LU, you need to be careful with your words for in your words are life and death.
If you say that YHWH is the God of this world, then you could quite well be indirectly implying that God is evil.
T8It would seem that it is your own tongue that denies that God has all power in heaven and in earth!
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, “ALL POWER“ is given unto me “IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH' Math 28:19
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 2 Tim 3:13
WJ
WJ1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
1Co 15:27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
Quote And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, “ALL POWER” is given unto me “IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH' Math 28:19 so you are interpreting the scriptures in a wrong way missing out who his who ,
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2013,17:04) Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
I wish Paul would have added these “disclaimers” in more of his writings. I'm sure he just figured that things like this were common sense to most people. Apparently, he wasn't counting on the twisted minds of Trinitarians.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2013,05:23) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2013,17:04) Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
I wish Paul would have added these “disclaimers” in more of his writings. I'm sure he just figured that things like this were common sense to most people. Apparently, he wasn't counting on the twisted minds of Trinitarians.
yes ,but I think he ad his time with all those that were thinking that scriptures have been made to be exploited for a gain,
because that were the trinitarian are fighting for ,their religion and their pockets ,NOT THE TRUTH OF GODQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 22 2013,06:01) which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began, (John 15:27)
EdJ, it stands to reason that before we existed, that God would have known us because he knows all things and all things come from him.Your view might be true if God was unable to think us before he created us or brought us forth.
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