The Trinity Doctrine

[mikeboll64]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 14 2013,15:16)

No Mike, HE WAS: THE BEGINNING OF CREATION, BUT THAT IS A FAR CRY FROM : THE FIRST CREATION OF GOD! GOD IS THE BEGINNING OF CREATION

No Charles,

God is the Creator – not the “beginning of the creation by God” – as Jesus is called in Rev 3:14.

If it was just that one scripture, you could MAYBE get away with PRETENDING the words don't really mean what they clearly say. But there are many other scriptures that back up the fact that Jesus was the first thing God ever created. Therefore, “the beginning of the creation by God” has, as its most likely meaning, “the first thing God ever created”.

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Quote (carmel @ Jan. 14 2013,06:31)

Quote I control my body,I am the head of my own body. t8, What the “I” stands for? Say simply what do you mean. Peace and love in Jesus Charles

I made it clear in my post.

I am the soul.

I am not my body nor the spirit that gives me life. My body is a container or clay vessel. And I will get a heavenly one.

The spirit that gives me life is God's breath.

The Holy Spirit that dwells in Believers is God's Spirit.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2013,11:36)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,15:49) Jesus was therefore Part of God before the world was created…………. Ed, In the three years we've been talking on HN, I never suspected you believed such a thing.  Are you saying that something that WAS God became someone who WASN'T God any longer?

Hi Mike,

No, what I'm saying is: Part of God became human.

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood,
HE also (God) himself likewise took part of the same; that through death
HE(God) might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;  (Heb 2:14)

“To wit, THAT GOD was “IN” Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing
their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” (2Cor.5:19)
(without with much)
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1Tm.3:16)

You don't have to believe those verses if you don't want to.
I can add them to the list of bible verses people ignore or discount in the thread…   (I'm thinking of starting).

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 15 2013,13:11)

The Holy Spirit that dwells in Believers is God's Spirit.

Hi T8,

The Holy Spirit that dwells in Believers is God's Spirit. -And-
the “spirit of Christ” (that dwells in Believers) is Jesus' spirit.  (ref. John 14:23 & Romans 8:9)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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EdJ, the distinction I am making is this:

1) Not all have the Holy Spirit, even if they have the breath that gave them life. My guess is that animals have the breath of God too because they have life.
2) Our spirits bear witness with God's Spirit that we are the sons of God.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2013,02:05)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2013,11:36) Are you saying that something that WAS God became someone who WASN'T God any longer? Hi Mike, No, what I'm saying is: Part of God became human. ……HE also (God) himself likewise took part of the same……(Heb 2:14)

That doesn't say “part of God”, does it?

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2013,02:05)

“To wit, THAT GOD was “IN” Christ……..(2Cor.5:19)

I don't think “God was in Christ” says the same thing as “Christ was the part of God who became flesh”.

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2013,02:05)

GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1Tm.3:16)

The Greek word is “he”, Ed, not “God”.  Who do you think received “God” up into glory?

Ed, what you claim is that “part of God” could be tempted, while the “rest of God” remained in heaven, untemptable.

You claim that “part of God” could die, while the “rest of God” remained in heaven and raised the dead part of Himself from the grave.

You claim that “part of God” prayed and offered praise and thanks to “the rest of God”, who remained in heaven.

Your claim makes Acts 2:22 null and void, Ed, since God really, according to you, did the works through HIMSELF.

Ed, I won't bother spending a lot of time on this issue. I don't think your claim has any scriptural merit.

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Jesus mother was human. (Jesus was: 50% God, 50% human)

Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a
man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Ed,

I don't have the foggiest how your last post addresses my last post.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 16 2013,11:54)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2013,02:05) GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1Tm.3:16) The Greek word is “he”, Ed, not “God”.

Hi Mike, no it doesn't.

1Tm.3:16 και ομολογουμενως μεγα εστιν το της ευσεβειας μυστηριον
θεος εφανερωθη εν σαρκι εδικαιωθη εν πνευματι ωφθη αγγελοις εκηρυχθη εν εθνεσιν επιστευθη εν
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GOD was manifest in the flesh. (see John 1:14)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2013,19:05)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2013,11:36) Ed, In the three years we've been talking on HN, I never suspected you believed such a thing.  Are you saying that something that WAS God became someone who WASN'T God any longer? Hi Mike, No, what I'm saying is: Part of God became human. God bless Ed J

Hi Mike,

Why this is so hard for you to believe?
Has not part of you became your son too?

What I WILL say is: something that WAS Mike
became someone who IS NOT Mike any longer.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Remember “Man” was made in God's image.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,16:34)

Remember “Man” was made in God's image.

edj

made in the image is just that man was created having received similar features as God has ,but he received nothing that his God but received what God gives to all ,

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,07:34)

Hi Mike, Jesus mother was human. (Jesus was: 50% God, 50% human) Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

God does not have sex with women that he created,nor does he allow any of his creatures from heaven to do so ,

the holy spirit what is the TOOL of God to do many many different things was the instrument used to transform Christ “THE WORD ” INTO Mary to receive a flesh cover ,and so became a little lower than the angels ,and similar to his brothers ,

but Mary was a surrogate mother ,and God did not made a new creation,

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2013,00:12)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,07:34) Hi Mike, Jesus mother was human. (Jesus was: 50% God, 50% human) Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: God bless Ed J edj (1)God does not have sex with women that he created,nor does he allow any of his creatures from heaven to do so , the holy spirit what is the TOOL of God to do many many different things was the instrument used to transform Christ “THE WORD ” INTO Mary to receive a flesh cover ,and so became a little lower than the angels ,and similar to his brothers , (2)but Mary was a surrogate mother ,and God did not made a new creation,

Hi Pierre,

1) Who said he did?
2) Mary was Jesus' biological mother.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 16 2013,21:27)

GOD was manifest in the flesh. (see John 1:14)

The original Greek words were “HE was manifest in the flesh”.  That word “HE” was later changed by a scribe to “God”.  Today, we know this is the case, which is why no recent Bible has “God was manifest” anymore.

Ed, most recent Bibles are produced by TRINITARIANS.  These Trinitarians would love nothing better than to be able to have “God was manifest” in their translations.  Don't you think that if there was even an INKLING of a chance that the original words were “God was manifest”, these Trinitarians would have jumped all over that translation as fast as they could?

Why then, don't they?

Also, John 1:14 speaks about Jesus becoming flesh.  It does not teach that God Himself ever became flesh, Ed.  God is not a man, nor a son of man, right?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,04:26)

Hi Mike, 1.  Why this is so hard for you to believe? 2.  Has not part of you became your son too? 3.  What I WILL say is: something that WAS Mike became someone who IS NOT Mike any longer.

1.  Because it's asinine.

2.  Absolutely not.  I am just as much “Mike” now as I was before my son was begotten.  There is no part of me that went missing when my son was born, Ed.

3.  No Ed.  Something that was MY SPERM merged with something that was A WOMAN'S EGG, and became someone who is not Mike.

I am not my sperm, Ed.  And my sperm is not “Mike”.

[carmel]

t8,Jan. wrote:

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I am the soul.

t8,

In the previous post you also said:

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I control my body. I am the head of my own body. Christ is the head of me.

NOW REFLECT:

You confirmed that you are A SOUL!!!

You confirmed that you ,SOUL control your body,

You confirmed that you,SOUL, are the head of your own body.

You also affirmed that christ is the head of your SOUL!!!

So Christ is the HEAD, AUTHORITY, CONTROLER, LEADER,  COMMANDER, AND MASTER of your SOUL!

REALLY???

BUT LET’S SAY YES,  FOR YOUR REASONING SAKE,WHAT ABOUT THE SOULS OF ALL WOMEN???

WHO CONTROLS THE SOULS OF ALL WOMEN???

ARE YOU TELLING ME THEN, THAT:

THE MAN NOT CHRIST AS WELL
CONTROLS THE SOUL OF THE WOMAN???

SINCE THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN???

DON’T YOU THINK IT’S NONSENSE???

DON’T YOU THINK THEN THAT THE WORD HEAD IS NEVER  TO SIGNIFY , AUTHORITY,CONTROL, LEAD ,COMMAND, MASTER, THE WOMAN???

NOW KEEP IN MIND,THAT THESE ALSO ARE YOUR WORDS:

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If 'head' meant soul, then that whole verse is a bunch of babble.

MORE TO COME!!!

Peace and Love in Jesus

Charles

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2013,00:49)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2013,00:12) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,07:34) Hi Mike, Jesus mother was human. (Jesus was: 50% God, 50% human) Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: God bless Ed J edj (1)God does not have sex with women that he created,nor does he allow any of his creatures from heaven to do so , the holy spirit what is the TOOL of God to do many many different things was the instrument used to transform Christ “THE WORD ” INTO Mary to receive a flesh cover ,and so became a little lower than the angels ,and similar to his brothers , (2)but Mary was a surrogate mother ,and God did not made a new creation, Hi Pierre, 1) Who said he did? 2) Mary was Jesus' biological mother. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

A surrogate mother is a biological mother ,but the participation into the main being that is taken form in her ,in this she has not participate,she his participating in supplying a flesh cover for the son of God,

But she did not have any connection in producing the living child ,like her chromosomes ,none of hers was used ,Christ was an existing being prior to be changed into a man like condition ,

[carmel]

terraricca,Jan. wrote:

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to receive a flesh cover

Terraricca,

EXACTLY:

So if Jesus had a flesh cover, which I agree,

WHO WAS IN JESUS COVER???

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[carmel]

Ed wrote:

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Jesus mother was human. (Jesus was: 50% God, 50% human)

Edj,

Now read hereunder and explain how you concluded that Jesus was 50% God, 5o% human!!!

Colossians 1:9 For in him dwelleth all the FULNESS of the Godhead bodily

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

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