The Trinity Doctrine

[942767]

Hi BD:

Sorry I missed part of what you wanted answered:

But if you will only read the scriptures, you will have your questions answered:

Here is the scripture that you quoted:

John 15:15
Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

What he is addressing here is not that he is not our Lord, but he is calling us friends rather than servants, and has taught us all that God has taught him.   He is saying that a servant would not know all that his master was doing.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 30 2012,12:06) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 30 2012,11:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 29 2012,15:12) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2012,13:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 29 2012,03:00) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2012,02:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 29 2012,01:24) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,22:47) Hi Tim, The “HolySpirit” is Jesus father, and Jesus sends the “HolySpirit” (his father) to us.                         Father   →  Son  →  Grandson.                      HolySpirit → Jesus →  HolySpirit. So the video is a funny way of conveying this Idea.   …do you get it now? Which is in the spirit and scope of BD's thread, but a bit more accurate. B'shem YHVH The thread was to show it was ridiculous because there is no trinity Your Lord is ONE Lord Hi BD, I'm trying to help you understand YHVH; there is one spirit, one Lord, and one “God the Father”…   which my (quote box) diagram illustrates. And Eph.4:4-6 clearly spells out, but YOU still do not understand; do you? Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. B'shem YHVH No ED You serve 2 Lords No, BD: Read the scripture, it says that there is “One God” and Father of all, who is above all (that includes Jesus).  Jesus is the King.  He sits on the throne of David as King over Israel.  He is the only begotten Son of the Living God.  We who are born again Christians are sons of God by the Spirit of adoption.  We are subjected to God through the King.  If the King is obeying God and we are obeying the King, are we then not also obeying God? The “trinity doctrine” is a misunderstanding of scripture. Love in Christ, Marty Do you agree with Jesus that the Lord God is One Lord? If so then you cannot have two Lords and you should have only God as your Lord and God, but you call Jesus your Lord and God your Lord but that is not what Jesus instructed you to do. Yes, I agree with the scripture which states: Quote Mar 12:29   And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:   Mar 12:30   And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.   Mar 12:31   And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these Therefore, there is only “One God”, but there can be more that one “Lord”. Quote Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:   Phl 2:6   Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:   Phl 2:7   But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:   Phl 2:8   And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.   Phl 2:9   Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:   Phl 2:10   That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;   Phl 2:11   And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Quote Mat 4:8   Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;   Mat 4:9   And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.   Mat 4:10   Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.   Quote Mat 28:18   And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.   Mat 28:19   Go ye therefore, and teach all nations … As I said, Jesus is the King over Israel.   God has anointed him so, and so, if he is obeying God, and we are obeying him, then we are also obeying God.  No man can be reconciled to God except through him.  He is the propitiation for our sins, and without his sacrifice there is no way that our sins can be forgiven. Love in Christ, Marty That doesn't answer the question if someone asked you who is your Lord what would you say? By the way Jesus said this very important thing: John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. Jesus is clearly saying I am not your Lord and I have explained to you about God. So if Jesus does not call you a servant how then can he be your Lord? Jesus is my Lord, but he is not my God.  I am subjected to God through him.  His purpose in giving his life is that we might be reconciled to God. Love in Christ, Marty

Then God is not your Lord and now I understand that I hope you will be able to explain that to Jesus when you go saying “Lord, Lord” and he say get away from him

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 30 2012,12:54)

Hi BD: Sorry I missed part of what you wanted answered: But if you will only read the scriptures, you will have your questions answered: Here is the scripture that you quoted: John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. What he is addressing here is not that he is not our Lord, but he is calling us friends rather than servants, and has taught us all that God has taught him.   He is saying that a servant would not know all that his master was doing. Love in Christ, Marty

Come on now be honest and go through the door

“Henceforth I call you not servants”

Jesus is saying ” I am not your Lord and I am not calling you servants but guess what don't take my word for it Jesus had already said:

Matthew 23
39For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

You see, Jesus is not really activated in your life Marty and it is because you have neglected the Sovereignty of God so until you accept God as Lord you can never truly say about Christ “Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord”

This is why I see most Christians have such a lack of love and passion in their lives because initially they found Christ and Christ was leading them through the door to the Father and most Christians got stuck on Jesus and never embraced God and so everything stops and they can't figure out why they are not as fulfilled as they should be, well if they step through that Door(Christ) on the Other side is God Almighty it's time you get to know Him Marty.

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 30 2012,13:37)

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 30 2012,12:54) Hi BD: Sorry I missed part of what you wanted answered: But if you will only read the scriptures, you will have your questions answered: Here is the scripture that you quoted: John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. What he is addressing here is not that he is not our Lord, but he is calling us friends rather than servants, and has taught us all that God has taught him.   He is saying that a servant would not know all that his master was doing. Love in Christ, Marty Come on now be honest and go through the door “Henceforth I call you not servants” Jesus is saying ” I am not your Lord and I am not calling you servants but guess what don't take my word for it Jesus had already said: Matthew 23 39For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. You see, Jesus is not really activated in your life Marty and it is because you have neglected the Sovereignty of God so until you accept God as Lord you can never truly say about Christ “Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord” This is why I see most Christians have such a lack of love and passion in their lives because initially they found Christ and Christ was leading them through the door to the Father and most Christians got stuck on Jesus and never embraced God and so everything stops and they can't figure out why they are not as fulfilled as they should be, well if they step through that Door(Christ) on the Other side is God Almighty it's time you get to know Him Marty.

Hi BD:

My Prayer is that you will know God in the pardon of your sins:

This is what Jesus said to the Pharisees who professed to know God:

Jhn 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Jhn 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

This is what Jesus said relative to being my Lord:

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Jhn 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for [so] I am. Jhn 13:14 If I then, [your] Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. Jhn 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. Jhn 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 30 2012,13:37) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 30 2012,12:54) Hi BD: Sorry I missed part of what you wanted answered: But if you will only read the scriptures, you will have your questions answered: Here is the scripture that you quoted: John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. What he is addressing here is not that he is not our Lord, but he is calling us friends rather than servants, and has taught us all that God has taught him.   He is saying that a servant would not know all that his master was doing. Love in Christ, Marty Come on now be honest and go through the door “Henceforth I call you not servants” Jesus is saying ” I am not your Lord and I am not calling you servants but guess what don't take my word for it Jesus had already said: Matthew 23 39For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. You see, Jesus is not really activated in your life Marty and it is because you have neglected the Sovereignty of God so until you accept God as Lord you can never truly say about Christ “Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord” This is why I see most Christians have such a lack of love and passion in their lives because initially they found Christ and Christ was leading them through the door to the Father and most Christians got stuck on Jesus and never embraced God and so everything stops and they can't figure out why they are not as fulfilled as they should be, well if they step through that Door(Christ) on the Other side is God Almighty it's time you get to know Him Marty. Hi BD: My Prayer is that you will know God in the pardon of your sins: This is what Jesus said to the Pharisees who professed to know God: Jhn 8:54   Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:   Jhn 8:55   Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. This is what Jesus said relative to being my Lord: Quote Jhn 13:13   Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for [so] I am.   Jhn 13:14   If I then, [your] Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.   Jhn 13:15   For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.   Jhn 13:16   Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. Love in Christ, Marty

You have two Lords Marty, just understand that is what you believe unless you say that God is not your Lord and only Jesus is your Lord but that is not what Jesus taught He said the Lord God is ONE Lord and that is whom you should Worship.

You seem to confuse the common usage of the word Lord with the highest meaning of the word. Who can be Lord over the Lord God?

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,08:03) Hi BD, kurios: lord, master Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: kurios Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os) Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord. Do you see God in any of the definitions there? Taking direction from GOD's Son, hardly constitutes as more then one “GOD”; you will do anything to push your 'book of fraud'; right? Why do you reject what Jesus says? B'shem YHVH You said Jesus was your Lord and then you said God was also your Lord that is two Lords If someone asked you Who is your Lord, what would you say?

Hi BD,

                          Lord means owner, NOT GOD!

YHVH is “The Owner” and since Jesus is his “Son”, that makes him “owner”
When are you going to understand this? Let me say it a different way fro you…
YHVH is “GOD” and Jesus is the “Son of God”; THAT DOES NOT MAKE TWO GOD's?   …so quit pretending it does!

B'shem
YHVH

[Ed J]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 30 2012,12:01) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,08:03) Hi BD, kurios: lord, master Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: kurios Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os) Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord. Do you see God in any of the definitions there? Taking direction from GOD's Son, hardly constitutes as more then one “GOD”; you will do anything to push your 'book of fraud'; right? Why do you reject what Jesus says? B'shem YHVH You said Jesus was your Lord and then you said God was also your Lord that is two Lords If someone asked you Who is your Lord, what would you say? Hi BD,                           Lord means owner, NOT GOD! YHVH is “The Owner” and since Jesus is his “Son”, that makes him “owner” When are you going to understand this? Let me say it a different way fro you… YHVH is “GOD” and Jesus is the “Son of God”; THAT DOES NOT MAKE TWO GOD's?   …so quit pretending it does! B'shem YHVH

Hi BD,

'the god' of the muslims is 'al-Lah', BUT THAT DON'T
MAKE HIM “GOD”(YHVH); because 'al-Lah' is a FALSE god!

B'shem
YHVH

[Proclaimer]

How about we curb all the quotes within quotes.
I gave up reading here as there are too many with one or 2 new lines at the bottom.

[TimothyVI]

The one or two lines at the bottom seldom say anything new.

Tim

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

There is only ONE “OWNER”,
and that's “God The Father”;
Jesus is Son of “The Owner”.

And that is what one “LORD” means. (Deut.6:4)
Quit trying to make this ↑ word mean two “God's”!

B'shem
YHVH

[Ed J]

Hi BD, do the math; “the math” is really simple: [151–34=117]

“HolySpirit”(151)  –  ‘al-Lah’(34) =  “God the Father”(117)             <– “the prince of this world is judged”. (John 16:11)
     
John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you:
for the prince of this world cometh, and
hath nothing in me.

   
Bshem
YHVH
(LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)

[bodhitharta]

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Hi BD, do the math; “the math” is really simple: [151–34=117] “HolySpirit”(151)  –  ‘al-Lah’(34) =  “God the Father”(117)             <– “the prince of this world is judged”. (John 16:11)       John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.     Bshem YHVH (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)

Why are you subtracting from God? Shouldn't it be 34 + 117 = 151?

[keng]

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Quote (acertainchap @ Jan. 13 2008,11:04) Quote (seek and you will find @ Jan. 12 2008,11:45) Mandy  I am not a newbie. And I do not and ever will believe again in the trinity. I have explained before how I see Jesus as God. He is the Son of God the firstborn of all creation. I see God as a Family name. In Corinth. 15 when Jesus will give the Kingdom back to the Father we are also Gods. We are the Family of God, and I am proud to be a member of that Family. It is sad that nobody recognized me. I thought maybe my bad English would give me away, but that did not either. Any guesses who I am? Please do not think nobody recognized you. You say that nobody recognized you. I recognized you if that counts for something. Chap You did, that surprised me, you almost sound angry. Are you angry with me, because I played around? Peace and Love MrsIM4Truth Grandma?

The Trinity is a pagan concept that is not biblical and does not add credibility of true christianity. God's name is Yahweh, who father of all. Jesus is Yahshua the Christ who is the Son of God the first begotten of the Father. The Holy Spirit is the Comforter who is the Spirit Of God emphasis on Spirit Of, like the Son of. This clearly points to the fact that Jesus and the Spirit, are not Yahweh but they are of Yahweh like everything else is. So if the argument is of the essence and substance of God then we are talking about the fact that everything came from God. Thus, the substance and essence argument is not a legitimate sound argument, if so everthing is God because everything came from God.

[Proclaimer]

Thanks for your view keng.
A good point about all coming from God and if we relegate some things OF God as being God, then we might was well say all things are God.

[Pastry]

to all

Ex. 8:10 “… know that there is none like unto the LORD (Jehovah) God.”

Deut. 4:35”…know that the LORD (Jehovah) he is God, there is none else beside him”.

Is. 40:13 “Who has directed the spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?”

v. 25 “ To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? Saith the Holy One “.

Is. 45:18 “For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he has established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.”

Is. 46:9 “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, there is none like me.”

Mark 12:32“…well, Master, thou has said the truth, for there is one God and there is none other but he.”
1 Cor. 8:4 “… and that there is none other God but one”.

v. 5 “ For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many “.)

v. 6 “ But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him”.

Which of these scriptures talk about two personages?

Georg

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2011,06:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2011,05:55) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 25 2011,12:38) 3) Yes (1)Please tell us all WHEN you found out then.  (2)Because you just got done saying you never knew anything about any family problems, right? Hi Mike, 1) April fools day 2) No God bless Ed J Let your yes be yes and no be no. You are talking in riddles.

Hi T8,

Here is the link where Mike told us that Kathi left because of family problems…

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin&#8230;.;st=260 (First Post dated April 1, 2010)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[carmel]

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to all Ex. 8:10    “… know that there is none like unto the LORD (Jehovah) God.” Deut. 4:35”…know that the LORD (Jehovah) he is God, there is none else beside him”. Is. 40:13   “Who has directed the spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?” v. 25         “ To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? Saith the Holy One “. Is. 45:18  “For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he has established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.” Is. 46:9  “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, there is none like me.” Mark 12:32“…well, Master, thou has said the truth, for there is one God and there is none other but he.” 1 Cor. 8:4 “… and that there is none other God but one”. v. 5     “ For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many “.) v. 6     “ But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him”. Which of these scriptures talk about two personages? Georg

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Is. 45:18  “For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he has established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.” v. 6     “ But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him”.

Zechariah2:
1 And the Lord shewed me Jesus the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord: and Satan stood on his right hand to be his adversary. 2 And the LORD said to Satan: The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan: and the LORD that chose Jerusalem rebuke thee:

Pastry,

In YOUR SCRIPTURES above, both GOD THE CREATOR, AND JESUS CHRIST ARE LORDS.

can you explain why???

Since Paul mad it clear that there's only one GOD,AND ONE LORD.

ALSO:

In Zechariah 2:1:2, there are three LORDS.

ONE WHO TALK TO SATAN,

ANOTHER AS LORD REBUKE SATAN ONLY,

AND ANOTHER AS LORD WHO CHOSE JERUSALEM WHO ALSO REBUKE SATAN.

TO CONCLUDE:

THE LORD WHO TALK TO SATAN DOESN'T REBUKE HIM, ONLY TWO DO SO!!

WHY IS IT SO CONFUSING SINCE THERE'S ONLY ONE GOD,AND ONE LORD,AND IN ZECHARIAH ONLY LORDS ARE BEING USED AND NO GOD IS MENTIONED??

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

[mikeboll64]

Quote (carmel @ Feb. 08 2012,15:34)

Since Paul mad it clear that there's only one GOD,AND ONE LORD.

Actually Charles,

Paul said there were many gods and many lords, both in heaven and on earth.  Yet for US, there is but one God, THE FATHER, and one Lord Jesus Christ, of whom the Father is the head.  (1 Cor 11:3)

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
So it depends on whether or not you are one of US

[mikeboll64]

And the “US” understand the emphatic language used. We understand that Paul didn't mean there was LITERALLY only one “Lord/Master”, for he also teaches slaves to obey their earthly masters.

I'm quite sure in the resurrection, people like King David, Abraham, and Samuel will be referred to as “Lord” – just as they were when they walked the earth.

Paul is setting the hierarchy in place in that scripture, as I'm sure you already know.

1. God Almighty (a god AND a lord).
2. Jesus Christ (also a god AND a lord – but under his own God)
3. Saints (who might also be called “lord”, but UNDER Lord Jesus, who is UNDER Lord Jehovah)
4. Etc.

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