The Trinity Doctrine

[GeneBalthrop]

T8……….I agree Life of the body is the Spirit of life (working (IN) the BLOOD, that is like the Power coupled with the internal operating system of computer , you might say this is descriptive of a  Soul, and when {POWER}breath of life is applied it comes to be a “LIVING SOUL”  a turned on computer so to speak, However it can only do what its internal operating system does,  it has a capacity to acquire more Spirit or Data , and as this is added it begins to take on a mode of operation and is able to give out what has been put into its Hard Drive memory system,  This is also the same with us , When we were baby's we could only do what our basic operation system we were born with , but we have the capacity built into us to take on more (intellect) Spirits and as we grow we take (IN) more and more intellects into our Memory Cells and store them there, and we can just like a computer recall then when needed and they effect our operation just like a computer is effect by its Hard drive and it internal operating system.

I am not saying we are a computer but there are some similarities with us and a computer, IMO, we are born with a “BASIC operating System, a body, and we can acquire more information as we age.

peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………………gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 11 2011,01:53)

Revelation 5. 1 > And i saw in the right hand of Him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. The Father is there…Skip forward… 6 >And i beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. The four beasts are there, Jesus is there, the elders are there…skip forward… 11 >And i beheld, and i heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands. So the angels are there too…skip forward… Wait a sec….that's it !!! No more attendees are present there in heaven for this huge event…. So, my question is….Where is the Holy Spirit?

Bravo!  

Along those same lines, when Stephen was being stoned to death, he was able to see Jesus himself (because Jesus is not God).  And he was able to see the glory of God (because human eyes cannot actually see God Himself, so Stephen could only see His glory).

But where was the Holy Spirit?  Why did Stephen not also see the Holy Spirit in heaven along with the Father and Jesus?

I like the way you think, Devo.

[Lightenup]

Devolution,
You have demonstrated that the Holy Spirit is probably not a 3rd person but you have not demonstrated that He is not the 'inner person' of the Father and Son united which is what I believe. I don't believe that the Holy Spirit is merely the spirit of truth although the Holy Spirit would certainly portray and lead in truth. Man's spirit is his 'inner person' and that is why I think that the spirit of the Father and the spirit of the Son would be their 'inner person' except that their 'inner person' would be able to extend from them as one united spirit to creation without ever completely leaving them. I believe that their spirit is their means of being in many places at once yet not personally. It is how they can be in heaven and also dwell in the believer…through their inner person. Just some thoughts.
Take care,
Kathi

[Proclaimer]

LU, no one would think to demonstrate that because after reading the bible, we are not posed with such an idea.

The spirit of God is self descriptive. God is holy and he is a spirit.

The difference is who and what.

God is who? The Father.
God is what? Spirit.

BTW, this how Jesus is one with the Father and why we can be one with God, we are one in spirit. Spirit obviously unites with spirit, like adding water with water.

So do we have a spirit, is God a spirit, and does Jesus have a spirit?

[Lightenup]

t8
you said:

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LU, no one would think to demonstrate that because after reading the bible, we are not posed with such an idea.

Then allow me to enlighten you:
1. The spirit of a person is called their inner man/inner person/inner self
2. That inner person of man is compared to the spirit of God.

Here are your proof texts:
2 Corinthians 4:16 in three translations:
New Living Translation (©2007)
That is why we never give up. Though our bodies are dying, our spirits are being renewed every day.

English Standard Version (©2001)
So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day.

Another verse that specifically uses the term “inner person”:
Ephesians 3:16
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
That he would grant you according to the riches of his glory to be confirmed by power in his Spirit, that in your inner person,

This verse makes a comparison between the spirit of man and the spirit of God:

1 Corinthians 2:11
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

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The spirit of God is self descriptive. God is holy and he is a spirit.

And He has a spirit within Him that comes from Him and dwells in all believers. That is the Spirit of which I understand to be the inner self/inner person of God.

Do you not understand that God has a Spirit which is 'of' Him?

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BTW, this how Jesus is one with the Father and why we can be one with God, we are one in spirit. Spirit obviously unites with spirit, like adding water with water.

Agree but this is only one of the ways Jesus is one with the Father. The Spirit of the Father and the Son can be given to dwell within believers but the spirit of man cannot. The spirit of man is similar to the Father's and Son's united spirit but not equal to it as the spirit of man cannot be in more than one place at a time.

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So do we have a spirit, is God a spirit, and does Jesus have a spirit?

Curious as to why you were inconsistent in your question? It seems to be a better question to ask this:
Do we have a spirit?
Does the Father have a spirit?
Does the Son have a spirit?

That would be a 'yes' to all three of the above.

So, I have shown you that the spirit of a man is called his inner self/inner person.
I have shown you that the spirit of a man is compared to the spirit of God.
Therefore, it seems logical to be 'posed' with such an idea that the spirit of God is also His inner self/inner person. Can you see this, t8?

Kathi

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 22 2011,19:19)

LU, no one would think to demonstrate that because after reading the bible, we are not posed with such an idea. The spirit of God is self descriptive. God is holy and he is a spirit. The difference is who and what. God is who? The Father. God is what? Spirit. BTW, this how Jesus is one with the Father and why we can be one with God, we are one in spirit. Spirit obviously unites with spirit, like adding water with water. So do we have a spirit, is God a spirit, and does Jesus have a spirit?

Hi T8,

Excellent Post!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode

[bodhitharta]

Best explanation ever

[terraricca]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 24 2012,16:50)

Best explanation ever

BOD

EVEN IN THIS YOU ARE BLIND

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

Babylon = quran

This guy is just babbling.

B'shem
YHVH

[princess]

The part I dont understand is why did the man wear a mask?

[bodhitharta]

It was COMEDY but it really is how trinitarians try to explain the unexplainable

[Ed J]

Hi BD, here's another, but this one explains it better…

B'shem
YHVH

[princess]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 24 2012,16:01)

It was COMEDY but it really is how trinitarians try to explain the unexplainable

Bd,

The supporting of terrorist behavior is not humorous, such actions gives the subject matter more substance, then it lessesens it.

As does what Edj present, he must have forgotten the story of Lot when he was posting.

[Ed J]

Hi Princess,

Have you come back to “The (Christian) Faith”?

Jesus Father, “The Word”, is birthed in us,
So He(Holy Spirit) is his own Grandpa!
I thought you would have got it!

B'shem
YHVH

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,22:19)

Hi BD, here's another, but this one explains it better… B'shem YHVH

Hi Princess,

Look at how our diagrams match…  

B'shem
YHVH

[Ed J]

Hi Princess   …Just in case you thought I was kidding…

Rev 3:21-22 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

B'shem
YHVH

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,23:37)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,22:19) Hi BD, here's another, but this one explains it better… B'shem YHVH Hi Princess, Look at how our diagrams match…   B'shem YHVH

Hi Everyone,

Did you'll enjoy this video?

B'shem
YHVH

[TimothyVI]

I thought that it was funny, and no I didn't understand it.

Tim

[Ed J]

Hi Tim,

To which video do you refer?

B'shem
YHVH

[princess]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,23:32)

Hi Princess, Have you come back to “The (Christian) Faith”? Jesus Father, “The Word”, is birthed in us, So He(Holy Spirit) is his own Grandpa! I thought you would have got it! B'shem YHVH

Hello Edj,

That would be backsliding Ed, and I tend to avoid this as much as possible.

The concept of the trinity is just a cookie cutter religion of the past, so no matter how one tries to explain it, it still adds up that many gods are combined to make one great god.

This is a subject that you and BD agree on?

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