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I'll make a deal with her.
I wont post here anymore (apart from skeptics place) as long as she doesn't.
What do you say – kathi??
Do we have a deal?
And I ask that her cohorts stay out of this.
And eventually things will get better here.
It seems to me that you should let sleeping dogs lie, Shimmer. Why throw salt into an open wound? Someone else might start throwing into your wound if you do.
Yeah, exactly. So I think the best thing to do is for both of us to leave.
Gives others a chance here, without all the tension.
Easy!
So, I won't make another post here, and vice versa.
Weve done enough posts, over 4000 each when you add on karmarie.
So let's leave it at that then, cool.
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2011,22:34) Gee, is Kathi dead?? Why don't you ask her 
This was my last post before I left for about 6 weeks in January:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….7;st=20
Sixth post down.
See if you guys can figure it out after reading that
Kathi
Hi Mike,
Did that bring 'light' to your discussion with Edj? Hopefully you can get back to the thread topic nowGod bless,
KathiLet me guess, the moderator begged you to stay – never mind the reasons behind what I said, right??
Thats why you've been following her around begging her to continue conversation, what a puppet on a string!!
What a huge influenece she has and has always had behind the scenes.
Im telling you t8, if me and kathi dont leave, this forum will get worse and worse, trust me.
Yes, it may have been quiet the past couple of weeks, but give it time and it would have picked up, trust me.
But your moderator Mike NEEDS someone to debate with. So what does he do? Calls the problems back.
I don't encourage anyone to stay or go.
It is up to them if they stay.
So long as they don't break the rules.It would be nice if we had people here that were more about learning truth, than defending their own egos though.
But I can't force that to happen.Yes Kathi. I didn't remember you ever saying you left because of family problems. But then again, I have gray hair now, and it seems that when the gray comes, the memory goes…………so anything is possible.
You heard Shimmer: I NEED someone to debate with. So where have you been? I have posts waiting to be addressed.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2011,06:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2011,05:55) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 25 2011,12:38) 3) Yes
(1)Please tell us all WHEN you found out then. (2)Because you just got done saying you never knew anything about any family problems, right?
Hi Mike,1) April fools day
2) No
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Let your yes be yes and no be no.You are talking in riddles.
He often does, t8. So then I have to word my questions very carefully, and add a “YES or NO?” to the end of them.
So then he started a thread about how “loaded” and “unanswerable” my “YES or NO” questions are.
I suppose the idea is that in order to win, you have to be strategic and try and cut of any chance that your opponent can say anything of value.
Quite smart except that the shutting out the truth with such things is detrimental to the health of a persons faith in God.
So the real loser is the one who tries to win an argument at the expense of truth getting a fair trial.Quote (t8 @ Dec. 07 2011,17:23) I suppose the idea is that in order to win, you have to be strategic and try and cut of any chance that your opponent can say anything of value.
Quite smart except that the shutting out the truth with such things is detrimental to the health of a persons faith in God.
So the real loser is the one who tries to win an argument at the expense of truth getting a fair trial.
t8very true ,in deed ,
you need to be strong in your truth and faith to stand up to it ,but after a while you still wander if the time given to it was whorted
Pierre
There are two versions of trinity that i am aware of.
One group as i understand, believe that the Holy Spirit is an individual person.
The other believe that the Holy Spirit is just an expression of the Father (meaning He is not an individual, but an individual expression).Though the Holy Spirit can become anything God so desires, and though the Holy Spirit has been described in scripture as “He”, i believe that description is merely denoting His source gender.
There are other arguments to make, but i only wish to concentrate on the Holy Spirit being a 3rd person, or a 3rd expression of the Father.
This is very important.
If i can show that the Holy Spirit is not a person/expression, then this should, one would hope, have trinitarians questioning their entire doctrine….”should”….if truth is their motivation that is (being general about “them” & their motivation).
Actually, it should make them finally abandon this entire doctrine in my opinion.
I am not oneness, whatever that is, nor part of any religious group, nor taught by one…i am just a believer who is trying his best for our Lord…
and this is what i noticed in scripture…Here we go…
Firstly, before i get to scripture, lets imagine that your family is faced with one of the single most important events your family will ever experience.
So important, that it would be a huge insult if not all of your family showed up…an inexcusable insult…
We have just an example in scripture of a monumental event…and everyone is there in heaven to witness it…
Well, almost everyone !!Revelation 5.
1 > And i saw in the right hand of Him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
The Father is there…Skip forward…
6 >And i beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
The four beasts are there, Jesus is there, the elders are there…skip forward…
11 >And i beheld, and i heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands.
So the angels are there too…skip forward…
Wait a sec….that's it !!!
No more attendees are present there in heaven for this huge event….So, my question is….Where is the Holy Spirit?
Hi Devolution,
1) God is Holy ………….(Lev.11:45)
2) God is Spirit ………..(John 6:63)
3) HolySpirit is God ….(Acts 5:3-4)Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecodeQuote (Devolution @ Dec. 11 2011,18:53) So, my question is….Where is the Holy Spirit?
Hi Devolution,Psalms 139:7-12: 7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11 If I say,
Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12 Yea, the darkness
hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 11 2011,19:11) Hi Devolution, That is because, HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ <– Click on the link
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed J,The Holy Spirit in my understanding, is the Spirit of Truth.
I would not call “it” God Himself, but yes, the Holy Spirit comes forth from God…the Source.This Holy Spirit dwells in millions of individuals and is poured out unto them.
And this Holy Spirit grafts onto His chosen believers very own souls to mingle within those said souls to create a new creature at resurrection when the grafting process is completed by the Father.So with that understanding, i can not accept that the Holy Spirit is God Himself…but comes from God.
God Himself would not personally mix with men's souls, to become millions of God the Father individuals.
That would be chaos…
But sending forth measures of His inexhaustible essence (Holy Spirit) to mix and make new spiritual children makes more sense to me. (Since He does not procreate, this is how He achieves “Birth”)
He is the Fountain of Living Waters…(Jeremiah 2:13)
And fountains send forth rivers…
Spiritual rivers of Spirit and Truth…Thanks Ed J…
Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 12 2011,02:28) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 11 2011,19:11) Hi Devolution, That is because, HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ <– Click on the link
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed J,The Holy Spirit in my understanding, is the Spirit of Truth.
I would not call “it” God Himself, but yes, the Holy Spirit comes forth from God…the Source.This Holy Spirit dwells in millions of individuals and is poured out unto them.
And this Holy Spirit grafts onto His chosen believers very own souls to mingle within those said souls to create a new creature at resurrection when the grafting process is completed by the Father.So with that understanding, i can not accept that the Holy Spirit is God Himself…but comes from God.
God Himself would not personally mix with men's souls, to become millions of God the Father individuals.
That would be chaos…
But sending forth measures of His inexhaustible essence (Holy Spirit) to mix and make new spiritual children makes more sense to me. (Since He does not procreate, this is how He achieves “Birth”)
He is the Fountain of Living Waters…(Jeremiah 2:13)
And fountains send forth rivers…
Spiritual rivers of Spirit and Truth…Thanks Ed J…
DevotionI believe you are righ about the holy spirit ,good presentation I like it
Very different approaches to an old wrong view from scriptures
Pierre
Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 11 2011,19:28) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 11 2011,19:11) Hi Devolution, That is because, HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ <– Click on the link
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed J,The Holy Spirit in my understanding, is the Spirit of Truth.
I would not call “it” God Himself, but yes, the Holy Spirit comes forth from God…the Source.This Holy Spirit dwells in millions of individuals and is poured out unto them.
And this Holy Spirit grafts onto His chosen believers very own souls to mingle within those said souls to create a new creature at resurrection when the grafting process is completed by the Father.So with that understanding, i can not accept that the Holy Spirit is God Himself…but comes from God.
God Himself would not personally mix with men's souls, to become millions of God the Father individuals.
That would be chaos…
But sending forth measures of His inexhaustible essence (Holy Spirit) to mix and make new spiritual children makes more sense to me. (Since He does not procreate, this is how He achieves “Birth”)
He is the Fountain of Living Waters…(Jeremiah 2:13)
And fountains send forth rivers…
Spiritual rivers of Spirit and Truth…Thanks Ed J…
Hi Devolution,I believe the “HolySpirit” is God,
just like your “spirit” is you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTo All………..Holy simply means set apart, Holy Spirit is a Special type of Spirit , Jesus called it the SPIRIT of TRUTH, the Key to all this is to understand what Spirit (any Spirit) is , and in its Simplest Form Spirit is the cognate ability to understand something (IT) involves you with it specific (TYPE) and imparts that (INTELLECT) into our MINDS> Remember when Jesus said this type only comes out with prayer and fasting when the disciples could not cast it out of a person. Spirits can be recieved and can be cast out, we can let them in or reject them, Therefore it say the Spirit earnestly desires us yest all Spirit desire us, it much like living in a House and they knock at your door and you can open and let them in or not let them in, so it is important we let the right Spirits in, becasue (IT) will effect you mind with (IT'S) particular type. If you open the door of your mind to Porno and any unclean Spirit (INTELLECT) it will effect you life.
God started way back dealing with Israel by Showing them a Spiritual Principle through the Laws of Clean and Unclean Animal foods this was a representation of types of Spirits, he was showing them the must learn to make a difference as to what they shall EAT (take to one self) that is the same with Spirits there are clean and unclean spirits, and we have to be careful what we (EAT) or TAKE TO OURSELVES. Because (IT) will effect our lives in either positive or negative ways.IMO
Understanding exactly what Spirit is is a VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT and is one of the most misunderstood thing in scripture. Understanding this can give you a lot of control over your lives it will help you to be more on guard as to what (TYPE) of Spirit you are entertaining and How it can effect your Thinking and therefore you life. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………………………………….gene
Gene. Spirit is the essence of life.
Without a spirit you do not live.
It would be more like electricity (life/power) for a computer than the data held in the computer or the software that uses the data.If you took away power to a computer, it would have no soul and the case (body) would be good for nothing.
God's spirit gives us life primarily and we know that God is Spirit because he is life and gives life.
If we understand what life is, then we can understand a bit about the spirit of God.
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