The Trinity Doctrine

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2010,12:22)

Hi Dennison, Sorry, bro.  There is nothing in those scriptures that says Jesus is this “Son of Man” he keeps talking about in the third person. peace and love, mike

I didnt say that scripture specifically say that Jesus was the Son of Man,

But Jesus and Scripture confirms what the Son of Man is,
and what will happen to the Son of Man,

and that happen with Jesus.

Unless your stating that there is another Son of Man?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,14:46)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2010,12:22) Hi Dennison, Sorry, bro.  There is nothing in those scriptures that says Jesus is this “Son of Man” he keeps talking about in the third person. peace and love, mike I didnt say that scripture specifically say that Jesus was the Son of Man, But Jesus and Scripture confirms what the Son of Man is, and what will happen to the Son of Man, and that happen with Jesus. Unless your stating that there is another Son of Man?

I am stating that you cannot prove scripturally that Jesus is in fact the Son of Man. Can you?

Dennison, you missed the earlier joke. I was challenged to prove that every mention of El Shaddai referred to the Father. It can't be done. So instead of letting Is 1:18 win the point, I challenged him to prove from scripture that Jesus is the Son of Man. As far as I know, it can't be done either. I think he gave up on trying, so I made my point.

But feel free to keep trying. I don't KNOW that it can't be done, but I haven't seen proof yet.

mike

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2010,14:59)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,14:46) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2010,12:22) Hi Dennison, Sorry, bro.  There is nothing in those scriptures that says Jesus is this “Son of Man” he keeps talking about in the third person. peace and love, mike I didnt say that scripture specifically say that Jesus was the Son of Man, But Jesus and Scripture confirms what the Son of Man is, and what will happen to the Son of Man, and that happen with Jesus. Unless your stating that there is another Son of Man? I am stating that you cannot prove scripturally that Jesus is in fact the Son of Man.  Can you? Dennison, you missed the earlier joke.  I was challenged to prove that every mention of El Shaddai referred to the Father.  It can't be done.  So instead of letting Is 1:18 win the point, I challenged him to prove from scripture that Jesus is the Son of Man.  As far as I know, it can't be done either.  I think he gave up on trying, so I made my point. But feel free to keep trying.  I don't KNOW that it can't be done, but I haven't seen proof yet.     mike

Like what do you mean.

A literaly scriputre for example stating that the Son of Man is Jesus Christ?

[mikeboll64]

Any proof that when the Son of Man is spoken of by anybody, there is proof that it is Jesus who is spoken of. Don't you get what Paul asked me to do? I'm asking him to do the same.

mike

[Is 1:18]

I gave you good inferencial proof. Check some commentaries I'd be very surprised if any one of them ascribe the subject in Matthew 26:2 to the thief on the cross. Why? Because the contextual details in the passage make it plain that it is Christ. And of course you would concur with them, if you were being honest with yourself.

What I'm asking you for Mike is inferential proof that El Shaddai in Genesis is the Father of Yeshua. This should be VERY simple, right?

The bar has been set exceptionally low for you Mike.

[NickHassan]

Hi Is 1.18,

Almighty as in Ge.17 etc is an exclusive word that denies the possibility of equality.
Polytheism would seem to be excluded because there is only one “almighty”

[NickHassan]

Hi Is 1.18,
There is no confusion if you know the God of Israel and His Son.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nike………..I must be missing something here , what are you trying to say, don't you believe that Jesus is indeed a son of Man. Jesus seemed to stress this point over and over again, even saying when he comes he still will be a son of Man. Are you say Jesus can not be both Son of Man and a Son of GOD by way of adoption as we are. I seem to be missing your point here brother. Could you clearing what you are saying.

peace and love to you and yours………………..gene

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2010,22:59)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,14:46) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2010,12:22) Hi Dennison, Sorry, bro.  There is nothing in those scriptures that says Jesus is this “Son of Man” he keeps talking about in the third person. peace and love, mike I didnt say that scripture specifically say that Jesus was the Son of Man, But Jesus and Scripture confirms what the Son of Man is, and what will happen to the Son of Man, and that happen with Jesus. Unless your stating that there is another Son of Man? I am stating that you cannot prove scripturally that Jesus is in fact the Son of Man.  Can you? Dennison, you missed the earlier joke.  I was challenged to prove that every mention of El Shaddai referred to the Father.  It can't be done.  So instead of letting Is 1:18 win the point, I challenged him to prove from scripture that Jesus is the Son of Man.  As far as I know, it can't be done either.  I think he gave up on trying, so I made my point. But feel free to keep trying.  I don't KNOW that it can't be done, but I haven't seen proof yet.     mike

Mike

When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? Matt 16:13

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Matt 16:27

These two scriptures by themselves prove that Jesus when speaking of the Son of man means he is speaking of himself!

WJ

[KangarooJack]

Mikeboll said:

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It can't be done.  So instead of letting Is 1:18 win the point, I challenged him to prove from scripture that Jesus is the Son of Man.  As far as I know, it can't be done either.

What! Is Mike really serious? Jesus expressly declared that He Himself is the Son of Man.

13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” Matt. 16:13

Mike is making up his theology as he goes along. In our debate he confessed that Christ is the Son of Man!

the Roo

[NickHassan]

hi,
Discussion has wandered away from the trinity.
what trinity?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 17 2010,14:02)

hi, Discussion has wandered away from the trinity. what trinity?

NH

Not really, because Jesus being the “Son of man” is proof of his Deity!

WJ

[JustAskin]

All,

“SON OF MAN” simply means “Born in the flesh” a human Being, one of Man. Nothing freaky or deep or mysterious about it.
Jesus refered to himself as “Son of Man” to indicate his Earthly Being. He knew where he came from and was making the distinction but it would not have made any [startling] sense to his listenere who wold think it was just a simple title (After all, it is uesd in the Scriptures that they would have read)

“SON OF GOD” means born of the Spirit in a state of Sinlessness which he was also and those of mankind who attain 'Spiritual Cleansiness” will also become “Sons of God”, “Spiritually Sinless in the eyes of God” until judgement day when they will become truly Sinless, all sins wiped away and become Fully Begotten Sons of God – theses are the Saints and the Apostles and the rest of the 144,000.

Nothing is hard to understand – unless you want it to be – if all you want to do is continue a futile debate – then yes, it's hard to understand (The two mice in “The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy” got it right. Violently disagree with each other in a paid public debate and they can live on the gravy train for life and …”to infinity – and beyond!” (according to 'Buzz Lightyear') or “Until Kingdom come”

[JustAskin]

WJ,

Are you for real….? “Son of man is proof of Jesus' Deity”?

Please can you explain that?

Have the trinitarians run out of Trinity 'proofs' that you are even hijacking obvious “man” verses.

[NickHassan]

Hi JA,
Sons of God sinned in gen6

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 17 2010,14:50)

WJ, Are you for real….? “Son of man is proof of Jesus' Deity”? Please can you explain that? Have the trinitarians run out of Trinity 'proofs' that you are even hijacking obvious “man” verses.

Hi JA

Daniel was written at a time when this phrase had a specific and known meaning. In the context of Daniel 7:13, in which the one “like a son of man” comes to the Ancient of Days (Almighty God) and is given dominion of the sort that God possesses, the significance of Jesus' “son of man” usage cannot be overstated. It is functionally equivalent to saying that the one like a son of man is rightful heir and successor to the divine throne. “Son of man” is essentially the same as “Son of God” in this context.

It is therefore clear that if Jesus is using the phrase consistent with its original meaning, it is a powerful and clear claim to deity…..  Source

And the high priest stood up in the midst, and asked Jesus, saying, Answerest thou nothing? what [is it which] these witness against thee? But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see “the Son of man” sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? “Ye have heard the blasphemy“: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death. Mk 14:60-64

If the term “Son of man” only meant that Jesus was a man, then why did the high priest call it blasphemy?

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
So when the man from heaven approached the throne in Daniel 7 he was GIVEN the kingdom by his God.

So how does this make him another god?

[JustAskin]

Nick, can you please, if possible, stop your pointless one liners.

Do you have a medical condition?

We can sympathise if you do, but until you say so whst you just posted makes you sound like a 'Bradawl'.
Do you know what that is?

Please explain yourself?

[JustAskin]

WJ,

You strain at a gnat…

'One like the Son of Man' means just that, 'one like the Son of Man'.

There is nothing mysterious about what is being said.

The tenet of the verse is a Spiritual encounter. Therefore, to make reference to a nonSpiritual being, the term is used.
Of course, it is a prophetic reference to Jesus, who, being in the form of 'a son of man' won through all advertesies and was taken up to Heaven to receive his reward, that of sharing the 'power and authority' of his God and Father.

No stress,
Just confess
It's for the best
And come into God's rest.

[NickHassan]

Hi JA,
Why do you consider exposing the trinity folly useless if you serve truth?
It certainly does not deserve more than a few simple words.
You needs more time to adjust to your role?

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