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Mikeboll64… Better read Rev, really close 1;8 THE LORD GOD says;(red letters.. Jesus's words) I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, I AM THE ONE WHO IS AND WHO WAS, AND IS TO COME….I AM THE ALMIGHTY!!!!!(17) i AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST.. Its all over Revelation…
katjoQuote (katjo @ June 13 2010,13:39) Mikeboll64… Better read Rev, really close 1;8 THE LORD GOD says;(red letters.. Jesus's words) I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, I AM THE ONE WHO IS AND WHO WAS, AND IS TO COME….I AM THE ALMIGHTY!!!!!(17) i AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST.. Its all over Revelation…
katjo
Oh, okay. I didn't know it was in red letters. I'll switch to trinitarianism immediately now that I know about the red letters!
Come on, man.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,13:32) katjo is the one who asserted Jesus was the Almighty. I disagreed. You piped in with your support of HIS ASSERTION. Therefore, the burden of proof is one you both, not me.
I didn't read Katjo'd comments. Obviously I wouldn't discriminate, all assertions should be substantiated with supporting evidence. From experience Katjo, I think, has the easier row to hoe.Quote ps, show me one scripture that PROVES that Jesus is the Son of Man.
There's 32 references in Matthew's gospel alone, here's one of them.Matthew 26:1-4
1When Jesus had finished all these words, He said to His disciples, 2″You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man is to be handed over for crucifixion.” 3Then the chief priests and the elders of the people were gathered together in the court of the high priest, named Caiaphas; 4and they plotted together to seize Jesus by stealth and kill Him“.Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,13:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,13:32) katjo is the one who asserted Jesus was the Almighty. I disagreed. You piped in with your support of HIS ASSERTION. Therefore, the burden of proof is one you both, not me.
I didn't read Katjo'd comments. Obviously I wouldn't discriminate, all assertions should be substantiated with supporting evidence. From experience Katjo, I think, has the easier row to hoe.Quote ps, show me one scripture that PROVES that Jesus is the Son of Man.
There's 32 references in Matthew's gospel alone, here's one of them.Matthew 26:1-4
1When Jesus had finished all these words, He said to His disciples, 2″You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man is to be handed over for crucifixion.” 3Then the chief priests and the elders of the people were gathered together in the court of the high priest, named Caiaphas; 4and they plotted together to seize Jesus by stealth and kill Him“.
But I hold that the Son of Man was the thief Jesus said would be with him in paradise. Prove that it's not.mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,14:11) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,13:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,13:32) katjo is the one who asserted Jesus was the Almighty. I disagreed. You piped in with your support of HIS ASSERTION. Therefore, the burden of proof is one you both, not me.
I didn't read Katjo'd comments. Obviously I wouldn't discriminate, all assertions should be substantiated with supporting evidence. From experience Katjo, I think, has the easier row to hoe.Quote ps, show me one scripture that PROVES that Jesus is the Son of Man.
There's 32 references in Matthew's gospel alone, here's one of them.Matthew 26:1-4
1When Jesus had finished all these words, He said to His disciples, 2″You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man is to be handed over for crucifixion.” 3Then the chief priests and the elders of the people were gathered together in the court of the high priest, named Caiaphas; 4and they plotted together to seize Jesus by stealth and kill Him“.
But I hold that the Son of Man was the thief Jesus said would be with him in paradise. Prove that it's not.mike
It's inferential proof. The context of the passage makes it plain that Yeshua is the subject. I'm not asking for an expicit statement from you with the El Shaddai passages, I'm happy with good inference evidence in the text.The bar is set very low for you Mike.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,14:35) I hate when the pages don't keep up with us. Why is that t8? mike
Sometimes with long threads, they fall out of step with the post counts. Double posts can do this too. Just let me know, and I will rebuild the topic.I have rebuilt this one.
Hi Is 1.18,
Inferential proof is an oxymoron.
Inference is just personal inference and far from the scriptural standard of proof[2cor 13.1]Quote (heaven @ June 13 2010,19:20) In fact there were 4 duplicate posts in this thread. All fixed.
Thanks
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,14:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,14:11) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,13:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,13:32) katjo is the one who asserted Jesus was the Almighty. I disagreed. You piped in with your support of HIS ASSERTION. Therefore, the burden of proof is one you both, not me.
I didn't read Katjo'd comments. Obviously I wouldn't discriminate, all assertions should be substantiated with supporting evidence. From experience Katjo, I think, has the easier row to hoe.Quote ps, show me one scripture that PROVES that Jesus is the Son of Man.
There's 32 references in Matthew's gospel alone, here's one of them.Matthew 26:1-4
1When Jesus had finished all these words, He said to His disciples, 2″You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man is to be handed over for crucifixion.” 3Then the chief priests and the elders of the people were gathered together in the court of the high priest, named Caiaphas; 4and they plotted together to seize Jesus by stealth and kill Him“.
But I hold that the Son of Man was the thief Jesus said would be with him in paradise. Prove that it's not.mike
It's inferential proof. The context of the passage makes it plain that Yeshua is the subject. I'm not asking for an expicit statement from you with the El Shaddai passages, I'm happy with good inference evidence in the text.The bar is set very low for you Mike.
Hi Paul,It is clear to me from the wording that Jesus speaks of a Son of Man who is someone other than him. Your task is to PROVE from scripture that it IS him. All this scripture implies is that this “Son of Man” will be crucified. Is Jesus the only man who was ever crucified?
You must have a better scripture than this, no?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (bodhitharta @ June 12 2010,23:57) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,14:42) Hi BD, What does perfection in Christ mean?
There is only one way to be perfect and that’s to stop sinning (Matt. 5:44)! This
This can only be done with the Holy Spirit tabernacleing on the inside (Heb. 8:10).A progression away from the old sinful nature:
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin;
For his seed remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE),
because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.com
so have you stopped all sinning?
Hi BD,Yes.
What about you?
.Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,08:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 12 2010,23:57) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,14:42) Hi BD, What does perfection in Christ mean?
There is only one way to be perfect and that’s to stop sinning (Matt. 5:44)! This
This can only be done with the Holy Spirit tabernacleing on the inside (Heb. 8:10).A progression away from the old sinful nature:
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin;
For his seed remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE),
because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.com
so have you stopped all sinning?
Hi BD,Yes.
What about you?
.
James 4:16-17 (King James Version)16But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
I guess you do still sin, you should have said “God willing, I have not sinned being that some sins may be unintentional”
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,15:09) Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,08:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 12 2010,23:57) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,14:42) Hi BD, What does perfection in Christ mean?
There is only one way to be perfect and that’s to stop sinning (Matt. 5:44)! This
This can only be done with the Holy Spirit tabernacleing on the inside (Heb. 8:10).A progression away from the old sinful nature:
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin;
For his seed remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE),
because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.com
so have you stopped all sinning?
Hi BD,Yes.
What about you?
.
James 4:16-17 (King James Version)16But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
I guess you do still sin, you should have said “God willing, I have not sinned being that some sins may be unintentional”
Hi BD,John 8:43-47 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. (2 Cor. 4:3-4)
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth
me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: (Rom.10:17)
ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. (Rom. 2:16 / Rom. 15:16 / Rom. 15:19 / Galatians 1:6-9)Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,15:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,15:09) Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,08:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 12 2010,23:57) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,14:42) Hi BD, What does perfection in Christ mean?
There is only one way to be perfect and that’s to stop sinning (Matt. 5:44)! This
This can only be done with the Holy Spirit tabernacleing on the inside (Heb. 8:10).A progression away from the old sinful nature:
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin;
For his seed remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE),
because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.com
so have you stopped all sinning?
Hi BD,Yes.
What about you?
.
James 4:16-17 (King James Version)16But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
I guess you do still sin, you should have said “God willing, I have not sinned being that some sins may be unintentional”
Hi BD,John 8:43-47 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. (2 Cor. 4:3-4)
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth
me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: (Rom.10:17)
ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. (Rom. 2:16 / Rom. 15:16 / Rom. 15:19 / Galatians 1:6-9)Ed J
Boasting is a sin, isn't it? and how is it you only believe in progressions when it suits you?The Quran is such a progressive revelation but that is where you go blind
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,17:39) Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,15:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 14 2010,15:09) Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,08:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 12 2010,23:57) Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,14:42) Hi BD, What does perfection in Christ mean?
There is only one way to be perfect and that’s to stop sinning (Matt. 5:44)! This
This can only be done with the Holy Spirit tabernacleing on the inside (Heb. 8:10).A progression away from the old sinful nature:
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin;
For his seed remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE),
because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.com
so have you stopped all sinning?
Hi BD,Yes.
What about you?
.
James 4:16-17 (King James Version)16But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
I guess you do still sin, you should have said “God willing, I have not sinned being that some sins may be unintentional”
Hi BD,John 8:43-47 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. (2 Cor. 4:3-4)
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth
me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: (Rom.10:17)
ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. (Rom. 2:16 / Rom. 15:16 / Rom. 15:19 / Galatians 1:6-9)Ed J
Boasting is a sin, isn't it? and how is it you only believe in progressions when it suits you?The Quran is such a progressive revelation but that is where you go blind
Hi BD,Are you seeing your reflection again? (Psalm 18:25-27)
Since when does answering your question paramount to boasting?
The quran=71 'is' the source of your confusion; Babylon=71 means confusion!Ed J (Rev.18:2-4)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2010,01:03) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,14:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,14:11) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,13:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,13:32) katjo is the one who asserted Jesus was the Almighty. I disagreed. You piped in with your support of HIS ASSERTION. Therefore, the burden of proof is one you both, not me.
I didn't read Katjo'd comments. Obviously I wouldn't discriminate, all assertions should be substantiated with supporting evidence. From experience Katjo, I think, has the easier row to hoe.Quote ps, show me one scripture that PROVES that Jesus is the Son of Man.
There's 32 references in Matthew's gospel alone, here's one of them.Matthew 26:1-4
1When Jesus had finished all these words, He said to His disciples, 2″You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man is to be handed over for crucifixion.” 3Then the chief priests and the elders of the people were gathered together in the court of the high priest, named Caiaphas; 4and they plotted together to seize Jesus by stealth and kill Him“.
But I hold that the Son of Man was the thief Jesus said would be with him in paradise. Prove that it's not.mike
It's inferential proof. The context of the passage makes it plain that Yeshua is the subject. I'm not asking for an expicit statement from you with the El Shaddai passages, I'm happy with good inference evidence in the text.The bar is set very low for you Mike.
Hi Paul,It is clear to me from the wording that Jesus speaks of a Son of Man who is someone other than him. Your task is to PROVE from scripture that it IS him. All this scripture implies is that this “Son of Man” will be crucified. Is Jesus the only man who was ever crucified?
You must have a better scripture than this, no?
peace and love,
mike
Hi mike,to interfere! rudely! haha
i wanted to do Is work for him. the burden of proof
Basically to prove that Christ is the Son of Man, is simple, his testimony shows for it. for it is true that MANY THOUSANDS WERE CRUCFIED, but only one could forgive sins. He is lord of the sabbath. by whom he was betrayed and by whom he was crucfied is important, because it was by the scribes hand that he crucfied. The prophets wrote about him, and the writer in the last scripture made revelance to the son of man being Jesus christ. Christ resurrected on the third day which means he is the son of Man, because the son of man would ressurect no the third day which another has not.Matthew 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Matthew 26:2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
Mark 2:28
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.Mark 8:31
And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.Mark 9:31For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
Luke 18:31
Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
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