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Quote (katjo @ June 12 2010,12:43) everyone acts like Oh, God couldnt do that.. nothings to hard for God.(sitting on the right hand) doesnt literally mean(sitting by someone). It means POWER! JESUS has all authority, you cant literally sit by a spirit.Didnt the word become flesh? katjo
Hi Katjo,Didn't “The Word”(HolySpirit) grow in the hearts of the believers? (click here)
Acts:12:24 …”The word”(HolySpirit) of God grew and multiplied.
Acts:19:20 So mightily grew “The Word” of God and prevailed.
“The Word” [ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs same wording as in John 1:1!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,14:42) Hi BD, What does perfection in Christ mean?
There is only one way to be perfect and that’s to stop sinning (Matt. 5:44)! This
This can only be done with the Holy Spirit tabernacleing on the inside (Heb. 8:10).A progression away from the old sinful nature:
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin;
For his seed remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE),
because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.com
so have you stopped all sinning?Ed, you say; word(Holy spirit) So the Holy Spirit became flesh? Hmm???
katjo
mikeball64 ..Scripture tells us He came into his own. Old Testament tells us He would. What He would go threw, and that He would fulfill the scriptures. He became one of us. he took on a new nature, but without sin. Do you know incarnation is from Latin, meaning “flesh” that does not mean that God was turned into a human or that Jesus ceased to be God while he was a man. Incarnation means that while remaining God, Jesus took upon a new nature.. human nature, incarnation was the uniting the divine and the human into one being!! One person, Jesus Christ was fully God and fully human! He laid aside His heavenly glory to live among us. He wantd to give a revelation of God to humanity. John1;8 NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN GOD, BUT GOD THE ONE AND ONLY, WHO IS AT THE FATHERS SIDE, HAS MADE HIM KNOWN. He is called God right there. he is who we will spend eternity with; He is called the Almighty, and our Everlasting Father. Col. tells us He was the creator, by him and for him.. I could give you so many more. Rev. He tells us that He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, which is, and which was, and which is to come THE ALMIGHTY (1;8) now I answered you , so you tell me why Jesus makes all these statements about Himself, when God shares His glory with no one?
katjo
Quote (katjo @ June 13 2010,00:11) Ed, you say; word(Holy spirit) So the Holy Spirit became flesh? Hmm??? katjo
Hi Katjo,Didn't the “HolySpirit” become flesh in Jesus? (John 1:14)
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgKato……….No Holy Spirit (CAME TO BE IN FLESH) the man Jesus had (holy spirit) intellect (IN) him. The word became should have been (came to be ) In Flesh. Jesus body was a temple where Holy Spirit (INTELLECT) Dwelt. “DESTROY THIS TEMPLE AND IN THREE DAYS I SHALL RAISE IT UP”. remember, that was GOD the FATHER speaking (through) Jesus. God considers us temples He can dwell (IN). Like it say GOD has in these latter days spoken to us (through) a son. GOD Spoke to through Jesus, as He did the Prophets , but that does not make the Prophets a GOD not does it make Jesus a GOD either.
peace and love……………..gene
Quote (katjo @ June 13 2010,00:44) mikeball64 ..Scripture tells us He came into his own. Old Testament tells us He would. What He would go threw, and that He would fulfill the scriptures. He became one of us. he took on a new nature, but without sin. Do you know incarnation is from Latin, meaning “flesh” that does not mean that God was turned into a human or that Jesus ceased to be God while he was a man. Incarnation means that while remaining God, Jesus took upon a new nature.. human nature, incarnation was the uniting the divine and the human into one being!! One person, Jesus Christ was fully God and fully human! He laid aside His heavenly glory to live among us. He wantd to give a revelation of God to humanity. John1;8 NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN GOD, BUT GOD THE ONE AND ONLY, WHO IS AT THE FATHERS SIDE, HAS MADE HIM KNOWN. He is called God right there. he is who we will spend eternity with; He is called the Almighty, and our Everlasting Father. Col. tells us He was the creator, by him and for him.. I could give you so many more. Rev. He tells us that He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, which is, and which was, and which is to come THE ALMIGHTY (1;8) now I answered you , so you tell me why Jesus makes all these statements about Himself, when God shares His glory with no one? katjo
Hi katjo,There are so many mistakes your post, I don't know where to start. If you would like to debate me on the trinity, I'd love to. Let me know. I won't go into everything here, but let me start with your translation of John 1:18. Don't you realize that your translation says, “NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN GOD, BUT GOD, WHO IS AT GOD'S SIDE, HAS EXPLAINED GOD.” How much sense does that make? The “God the one and only” part is newer trinitarian deception. It actually says “the only begotten god”. As in “made” or “born” or “created”.
Jesus is never called the Almighty.
And God says He will NOT share His glory with another. And nowhere in scripture is it said that He did.
ps You said, “now I answered you”. What? My question was: Does “all power and authority” mean that the Father has none?
Let's do a debate, man. One point at a time. If you're interested, let me know.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,12:32) Jesus is never called the Almighty.
It's an empty assertion unless you substantiate it.:-
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,12:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,12:32) Jesus is never called the Almighty.
It's an empty assertion unless you substantiate it.:-
I'm asserting that he wasn't. If you think he was, prove it.mike
No Mike. You've made the assertion. The burden of proof in firmly on you. Can you back your assertion up Mike?
Of course we know you can't. I just wish you'd learn from your mistakes.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 11 2010,09:58) I almost forgot that you never answered how Jesus could be God “qualitatively” without being God.
Eve was adam qualitatively speaking. She wasn't Adam though.Adam identifies the person, adam means 'man'.
God made Adam first.
God made adam male and female.I don't think Trinitarians are able to grasp the difference between identity and nature. If they can grasp it, then they ignore it.
You can do the same thing with angel.
The Angel idenifies a particular angel.
Whereas, angel is a term that qualifies rather than identifies.The Theos idenitifes, e.g., the theos of this age, or the Most High Theos.
Whereas, theos (without the definite article) qualifies, e.g., “ye are theos”.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,12:55) No Mike. You've made the assertion. The burden of proof in firmly on you. Can you back your assertion up Mike? Of course we know you can't. I just wish you'd learn from your mistakes.
If I taught a Binity, Quadinity, or Billionity, the burden of proof would be on me. Trinity is no different.For us there is one God the Father. I believe that.
You believe that there is one God the Father, Son, Spirit.Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 11 2010,09:52) BUMPED FROM SEPT 13 2009 Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 13 2009,04:37) t8's source says: Quote But can we really read the word 'Theos' in John 1:1c as qualitative rather using it to refer to an identity? The most likely candidate is that the last instance of 'theos' (in John 1:1c) is qualitative. This is true both grammatically and theologically. (Also, if The Logos was 'the God' in identity, then the verse would be saying that the Logos is exclusively God and no other.) So we have 2 good reasons now for reading the last word 'God' as qualitive. (In rebuttal to this, some say that God in the New Testament doesn't always have an article (the) preceeding it and in John 1:1c it is removed because the sentence cannot be constructed in this fashion. But the answer here is that John 1:1c can be qualitative in a gramatical sense and contextually and ly, but contextually speaking there is one God and one Word, so we cannot read the Word as God in identity because that makes the Word excquite simple. When talking of Adam for example (the first man) we can refer to Adam as both THE man and man.) One identifies him and the other classifies him. Similarly we can also refer to God as the God and God/god. The statement above from t8's source relects more of the same anti-trinitarian double talk. If the Word was God “qualitatively” then we may read John 1:1c thus,
“…And the Word was divine.”
This means that what God was the Word was,
“The Word dwelt with God, and what God was, the Word was” (The New English Bible).
Would someone please explain how the reading of the word “God” in a qualitative sense disproves Trinitarianism?
thinker
Kangaroo Jack
Sure.If man is defined as a nature. God made man male and female then we can assume that Adam and Eve was man (adam). But only one of them was Adam.
Similarly, theos can be used in a qualitative sense too. Not all who are called theos are the only true God.
Can you see that?
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,12:55) No Mike. You've made the assertion. The burden of proof in firmly on you to back it up. Of course we know you can't. I just wish you'd learn from your mistakes.
Stupid games, Paul.The scriptures clearly tell of one who is God of gods. He alone is the mightiest of the mighty gods – hence the title Almighty. Oh, yeah. And He has a Son who was the firstborn of every creature and His only begotten Son. And this Son says the Almighty is our God and his God. And this Son still calls the Almighty “my God”.
So again, if YOU think that there is a scripture that goes against what all other scriptures teach and says that Jesus is the Almighty, YOU prove it. If you can't, please stop saying that there is one.
mike
Burden of proof is the obligation of a party on one side of a dispute or issue to provide sufficient evidence in support of their position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proofMike has asserted his position. He needs to substantiate it.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,13:11) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,12:55) No Mike. You've made the assertion. The burden of proof in firmly on you to back it up. Of course we know you can't. I just wish you'd learn from your mistakes.
Stupid games, Paul.The scriptures clearly tell of one who is God of gods. He alone is the mightiest of the mighty gods – hence the title Almighty. Oh, yeah. And He has a Son who was the firstborn of every creature and His only begotten Son. And this Son says the Almighty is our God and his God. And this Son still calls the Almighty “my God”.
So again, if YOU think that there is a scripture that goes against what all other scriptures teach and says that Jesus is the Almighty, YOU prove it. If you can't, please stop saying that there is one.
mike
Surely you can produce one scripture that shows that El Shaddai is the Father of Yeshua (to the exclusion of Yeshua)? It shouldn't be at all difficult – if it was true….It's frustrating when scripture doesn't align with your own contrived theology Mike. Perhaps you should try aligning your theology with scripture instead.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2010,13:23) Burden of proof is the obligation of a party on one side of a dispute or issue to provide sufficient evidence in support of their position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proofMike has asserted his position. He needs to substantiate it.
Okay Mr. smarty pants,katjo is the one who asserted Jesus was the Almighty. I disagreed. You piped in with your support of HIS ASSERTION. Therefore, the burden of proof is one you both, not me.
ps, show me one scripture that PROVES that Jesus is the Son of Man.
mike
Hey nick, I bet your going to say moses and peter were called the Everlasting Father too…
katjo
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