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Quote (katjo @ Feb. 18 2010,00:56) B.D. better read the new testament and find out what Jesus is truly saying to you!!! You better think about the Holy spirit again because if your faith is not in Christ, than you dont have it!!! HE IS YOUR SAVIOR!! JOHN 10;27 MY SHEEP LISTEN TO MY VOICE; I KNOW THEM AND THEY FOLLOW ME! THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN BY WHICH YOU MUST BE SAVED(jESUS) dO YOU NOT KNOW THAT CHRIST IS IN YOU.. UNLESS YOU FAIL THE TEST(SCRIPTUAL).. IS HE YOUR LORD? katjo
I also admire how you care about him too katjo. You will be blessed for that im sure. God bless you.Bod, you need to believe the Gospel accounts of what really happened to Jesus, that he was crucified, dead, and risen, you need to stop trying to look for hidden clues which may suggest that it wasnt so.
And this
Isaiah 53
1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 17 2010,19:47) Mike, Your post is good.
Keep up the good works through the power of God's Holy Spirit.
Ja, Thanks for your continued encouragement and insights.God Bless,
MikeQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 17 2010,20:43) MIKE In fact, St. Augustine wrote, “There is so great an equality in that Trinity, that not only the Father is not greater than the Son, as regards divinity, but neither are the Father and Son together greater than the Holy Spirit.”
could you tell me in which of his writings he say that ,because i read all of his works and i do not remember that phrase;
[QUOTE][/QUOTE]Hey T,
I will have to get back to you on this. I copied it from a 1955 book called “Man's Religions”. I can't recall the author, but I know where the book is, it will take a week to get my hands on it.
Mike
Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 17 2010,21:27) My point is this, I don't understand, but I trust God. I believe one day we will fully understand. Good question. I don't understand it all-who could?
I don't think that having Father, Son and Spirit together at the same time means they are all God, though.
Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 18 2010,02:39) Mike, Try this on for size: God is the Testator. Christ is the Testator. Ergo….
THE TESTATOR DEFINED: The Testator is the person who makes the covenant.
God is the Testator: 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Hebrews 8:7-10
Jesus is the Testator: For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator (Jesus) Hebrews 9:16
Note that Hebrews 8 says that it is God who made the covenant. Therefore, God is the Testator.
Note that the Testator must die. So Jesus is the Testator.
Major premise: God alone is the Testator
Minor premise: Jesus is the Testator
Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus is GodThus anti-trinitariansism is put to death!
thinker
Hey tt,
I don't read it that way. Hebrews 9:15 says, “For this reason, Christ is the MEDIATOR of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance…”
In 9:16, Paul is saying you can't recieve an inheritance unless you can prove the death of the one that made the will (will and covenant are the same Greek word).
Besides, are you thinking Paul thought Jesus was God? The guy who said, “for us their is one God, the Father…”?
Peace to you,
MikeQuote (katjo @ Feb. 18 2010,00:56) B.D. better read the new testament and find out what Jesus is truly saying to you!!! You better think about the Holy spirit again because if your faith is not in Christ, than you dont have it!!! HE IS YOUR SAVIOR!! JOHN 10;27 MY SHEEP LISTEN TO MY VOICE; I KNOW THEM AND THEY FOLLOW ME! THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN BY WHICH YOU MUST BE SAVED(jESUS) dO YOU NOT KNOW THAT CHRIST IS IN YOU.. UNLESS YOU FAIL THE TEST(SCRIPTUAL).. IS HE YOUR LORD? katjo
Names under heaven are not superior to the Name in Heaven which is God Most HIGH, his name is above all including Jesus and it wasn't given to HIM.No, Christ is a lord with a lord and The God of all is the Lord God but you don't understand and therefore do not believe.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 18 2010,12:22) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 18 2010,00:56) B.D. better read the new testament and find out what Jesus is truly saying to you!!! You better think about the Holy spirit again because if your faith is not in Christ, than you dont have it!!! HE IS YOUR SAVIOR!! JOHN 10;27 MY SHEEP LISTEN TO MY VOICE; I KNOW THEM AND THEY FOLLOW ME! THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN BY WHICH YOU MUST BE SAVED(jESUS) dO YOU NOT KNOW THAT CHRIST IS IN YOU.. UNLESS YOU FAIL THE TEST(SCRIPTUAL).. IS HE YOUR LORD? katjo
Names under heaven are not superior to the Name in Heaven which is God Most HIGH, his name is above all including Jesus and it wasn't given to HIM.No, Christ is a lord with a lord and The God of all is the Lord God but you don't understand and therefore do not believe.
“God Most HIGH” …is NOT A NAME!Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2010,12:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 18 2010,12:22) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 18 2010,00:56) B.D. better read the new testament and find out what Jesus is truly saying to you!!! You better think about the Holy spirit again because if your faith is not in Christ, than you dont have it!!! HE IS YOUR SAVIOR!! JOHN 10;27 MY SHEEP LISTEN TO MY VOICE; I KNOW THEM AND THEY FOLLOW ME! THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN BY WHICH YOU MUST BE SAVED(jESUS) dO YOU NOT KNOW THAT CHRIST IS IN YOU.. UNLESS YOU FAIL THE TEST(SCRIPTUAL).. IS HE YOUR LORD? katjo
Names under heaven are not superior to the Name in Heaven which is God Most HIGH, his name is above all including Jesus and it wasn't given to HIM.No, Christ is a lord with a lord and The God of all is the Lord God but you don't understand and therefore do not believe.
“God Most HIGH” …is NOT A NAME!
And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
Mark 5:6-8That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
Psalm 83:17-18Jehovah is The Most High in fact Jehovah is ALLAH,
But those of the ignorant know it not
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 18 2010,09:37) Bod, you need to believe the Gospel accounts of what really happened to Jesus, that he was crucified, dead, and risen, you need to stop trying to look for hidden clues which may suggest that it wasnt so. And this
Isaiah 53
1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
This could not be about Jesus because he was “crucified” because of his popularity.When you have 5000 people listening to you, you have not been rejected of men, He was not despised as he drew men and women to him.
And of course he opened his mouth enough to say MY God why have thou forsaken me and much more so according to the scriptures this could not be Jesus in Isaiah but what's funny is you tell me not to look for hidden clues and that's exactly what Christians have done with the Old Testament and you accept all those “revelations” although the Jews themselves don't.
That scripture according to the Jews is about Israel and not Jesus.
Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 18 2010,02:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 17 2010,13:50) Hey all, Once again I will try to practice the KISS theory (Keep It Simple Stupid)
The Trinity Doctrine states in effect:
There is one God-head. This God-head is one being shared by three co-eternal, co-equal persons; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They are all God, but each plays different roles. In fact, St. Augustine wrote, “There is so great an equality in that Trinity, that not only the Father is not greater than the Son, as regards divinity, but neither are the Father and Son together greater than the Holy Spirit.”So, in terms any 5th grader can understand, I'll try to explain to you how, if you believe the Word of God, this cannot be.
Right away, the Trinity Doctrine poses a problem because God is, “…from everlasting to everlasting…” according to Moses in Psalm 90:2. And Jesus is, “…the firstborn of all creation.” (Colossians 1:15) So just from two Scriptures, we learn that God has no beginning and no end, while Jesus was born or created.
But, just to make sure they're not co-equal, let's look at another Scripture. In John 14:28, Jesus says, “…the Father is greater than I.” Now, the Trinitarians like to say that this one doesn't count, because when Jesus said that, he was a man.
Okay, are there similar Scriptures that echo the same sentiment? How about Phillipians 2:6? After Jesus had ascended and Paul was speaking through the Holy Spirit (because we know all Scripture is inspired of God), he said that Jesus, “…did not consider equality with God something to be grasped…” But maybe Jesus hadn't “become God” yet.
How about in Revelation, a prophecy of what will take place in the future. Is Jesus God then? In Revelation 19:10, John tries to worship an angel, but is told, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God!” Notice the angel didn't say, “…testimony of Jesus, worship him!” Also note that at the time Jesus showed John the revelation, he was already in heaven and sitting at the right hand of God, but still not God.So, co-equal is shot down by Scripture, how about co-eternal? Well, eternal means without beginning or end. I already showed you in Scripture that Jesus, unlike God, had a beginning.
And Romans 6:9 says, “For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again…” So now we learn that Jesus was not originally created immortal. He could, and did die.
The Trinity Doctrine is flawed by its very definition.
Nevertheless, there are 10 Scriptures out of thousands that Trinitarians use the most to try and prove Jesus is God.
They are:1. John 1:1, “the Word was God”
2. John 1:18, “the Only Begotten God”
3. John 20:28, “My Lord and my God”
4. Titus 2:13, “our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ”
5. Hebrews 1:6, “Your throne, O God, will last forever”
6. John 17:5, “Father, glorify me”
7. John 8:58, “before Abraham was born, I am”
8. John 14:9, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father”
9. Hebrews 1:3, “The Son is the radiance of God's glory”
10. John 2:19, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it”
Trinitarians, ask yourselves, based on information found in the other Scriptures, “Does the person talking in any of these Scriptures think Jesus is God?”
I'd like to discuss any of your thoughts.
Peace on earth to men of good will,
Mike
Mike,Try this on for size: God is the Testator. Christ is the Testator. Ergo….
THE TESTATOR DEFINED: The Testator is the person who makes the covenant.
God is the Testator: 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Hebrews 8:7-10
Jesus is the Testator: For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator (Jesus) Hebrews 9:16
Note that Hebrews 8 says that it is God who made the covenant. Therefore, God is the Testator.
Note that the Testator must die. So Jesus is the Testator.
Major premise: God alone is the Testator
Minor premise: Jesus is the Testator
Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus is GodThus anti-trinitariansism is put to death!
thinker
Hi thethinker:And so, God died?
Love in Christ,
Martyno marty,
tt believes that his god came up from where he was, taught about his father's kingdom, then when his god died, went back to his father's kingdom kicked him out, took over everything and left his father out to dry.
does this sound like a good son?
Mikeboil……….Non in scripture believed Jesus was a GOD , in fact they absolutely knew He was Not a GOD, that is the true Apostles any way. However the Gnostic's believed Jesus was a GOD that came to Earth from the Plora where the GOD'S Live. They believed Jesus just appeared in the flesh , but was really a GOD. Much like Modern “Christianity” except Modern “Christianity” believes Jesus was 100% Man and 100% a GOD, now there is an OXYMORON, if there ever was. Mikeboil you have it right , don't let those DELUDED TRINITARIANS DECEIVE YOU.
B.d. You quotted; No, Christ is a Lord with a Lord, not the Lord God. You cant say that because there is only one Lord(scriptual) and God says He does not share His glory with ANYONE! And I can show you scripts were Jesus is called The Lord God!! no capitals on Lord either! If you cant say Jesus is Lord, and your faith is not in HIm than you cant have the Holy Spirit. Scripture says “You cant say Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit! That is how Christ is in you, and thats scriptual too. You can go threw the old and the new and everything said of God in the old is said of Jesus in the new. For example, the old testament tells us God is our Savior, He is the only Savior, the new testament repeats the same of Jesus. Holy Spirit comes from God, (new) Holy Spirit is Christ in you, LORD GOD, old testament, Jesus is Lord(new testament) old.. God created… new.. Jesus created. THEY ARE ONE! SCRIPTURE TELL US THAT. Look what all He done! Who could do that but God! How come when Thomas called HIm ” my Lord and my God” He did not correct him? He told Him He was blessed because He seen and beleived, and blessed are those who have not seen AND STILL BELEIVE!! hE IS NOT A LITERAL SON LIKE YOU SEE HIM TO BE. hE IS THE ALMIGHTY, HE IS EVEN CALLED OUR EVERLASTING FATHER. For example, if you crack an egg, you have a shell, the white and the yoke. but you cant take one away and still have the egg..the three are one . I hope you realize Jesus is Lord!! Thats were your Salvation lies!! everything I told you is scriptual.
God Bless You..
katjo
Thanks Gene!
I'm chomping at the bit to defend my beliefs (and learn as I do), but as yet, few takers.
Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 17 2010,21:27) Hey Mike, My thoughts- I believe in the trinity. I do not think that if you are raised in a faith that has taaught you from the very beginning otherwise that God will not punish you for being for or against the concept. I was raised in a church that taught that god is three but equal as one, so I am one who has a influenced position. I will say though, Genesis 18 also points me there too. v1-“The lord appeared to Abraham by the entrance of terebinth of Mamre, as he sat in the entrance of his tent, while the day was growing hot. Looking up, he saw THREE men standing nearby” I believe this is the first appearance in the bible of the trinity. The second was when Jesus came up out of the water at his baptism. You had Jesus, The spirit decending, and God speaking from heaven. I know that it is impossible for me in my human mind to comprehend three beings but one God. Lets look at other things that are impossible to get. Lets say if you could measure backward in time , how far could it go? If you counted a million years as one unit, how long is one quadrillion trillion to the zillionth power units? Take that answer and multiply that by an almost uncomprendable number. How long is forever? If you could explain that then you might be able to just explain why my little sister is retarded, or why a nice lady the other day was raped and dumped like trash etc. etc. My point is this, I don't understand, but I trust God. I believe one day we will fully understand. Good question.
mikeHave you ever read these scriptures, and wondered why they say that?
Ex. 8:10 “… know that there is none like unto the LORD (Jehovah) God.”
Deut. 4:35”…know that the LORD (Jehovah) he is God, there is none else beside him”.
Is. 40:13 “Who has directed the spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?”
v. 25 “ To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? Saith the Holy One “.
Is. 45:18 “For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he has established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.”
Is. 46:9 “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, there is none like me.”
Mark 12:32“…well, Master, thou has said the truth, for there is one God and there is none other but he.”
1 Cor. 8:4 “… and that there is none other God but one”.
v. 5 “ For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many “.)
v. 6 “ But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him”.May I also bring to your attention that Paul’s letters, Peter’s and John’s, all start with, “Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ”, never a mentioning of the “Holy Spirit.” If I was the Holy Spirit, I would feel left out, wouldn’t you?
Rom. 1:8 “First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all…”
1 Cor. 1:4 “I thank my God always on your behalf…”
Phil. 1:3 “I thank my God upon every remembrance of you.”
Col. 1:3 “We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ…”
1Thes. 1:2 “We give thanks to God always for you all…”Paul always gives thanks to the Father, why does he never give thanks to the Holy Spirit?
Look at this scripture. John says, if we abide in the doctrine of Christ we have both, the father and the Son; should we not have all three?2 John 9 “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he has both the Father and the Son.”
Do yourself a favor, don't try to make these scriptures to mean something else, they are God's words.
Georg
Quote (Dancingforyounomore @ Feb. 13 2010,12:14) This, I believe, is the way trinitarians have done to God when they REPLACE Him with Yeshua. (Or claim that Yeshua is YHWH (Or place His Son Yeshua IN EQUAL PLACE)
Hi Dancing for you no more,God's Name [יהוה] transliterates into English as YHVH; transliterates means sounds(Phonics).
GOD’s most sacred Holy Name [יהוה] was given to us directly from the Hebrew language.
Correctly translating Hebrew into other languages can be difficult however.
Some basic linguistical rules need to be considered when translating Hebrew texts.
These include a lack of spacing between words, as a general rule has no written vowels
and the basic direction in which Hebrew is written (opposite: from right to left).
Hebrew word spacing is a modern advent that distinguishes one word from the next,
aiding both translators and multi-linguists alike. Unwritten “implied” vowel sounds
are a concern because, correct pronunciations of Hebrew words are at risk.
GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet
lacks vowels. Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.[י ה ו ה] GOD’s Name [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey …is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā & [יה] YÄ
Theomatics offers proof of this FACT as a second witness(Matt.18:16)…
The “Divine=63” “Deity=63” of “The Bible=63” is “YHVH=63”!
“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Dancingforyounomore @ Feb. 13 2010,12:14) If Yeshua is *GOD* because he “belongs to the God family”, then that would make those “in Christ” *also* God. (with this kind of reasoning)
Hi Dancing for you no more,Knowing God's Real name YHVH [YÄ-hä-vā] is important.
Knowing the importantcy of God's Son's Name is critical because of it's meaning: which illustrates…
Pronouncing his name [יהשוע המשיח YÄ-shü-ă hä Mäh-shē-äkh] as Jesus is NOT a problem,
but mispronouncing it as [Yəsh-yü-ă] IS A BIG PROBLEM; and here's why…The Hebrew word [ישוע] Yəsh-yü-ă merely means ‘He will save’.
Distancing [יה]’s salvation from the man Jesus is a rejection of “YÄ-shü-ă”(Jesus=74) as “Messiah”=74.
This subtle distinction of [ישוע] Yəsh-yü-ă purposely substituted for [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă
usually goes unnoticed when heard by a non Hebrew-speaking person;
nevertheless, this wholly implies a specific denial of Jesus as Lord and Savior.
Jesus being found in fashion as a man, humbled himself, and became obedient unto death,
even His death on the cross [†]. (Phil. 2:8) Along with Jesus, either the phrase
|יהשוע הנצרי מלך היהוםדי| or the acronym of it was posted on a plaque and nailed to the “cross”=74.
This Hebrew inscription means|YÄ shü ă of Nazareth the king of the Jews|. YÄ-shü-ă means:
“YÄ will save” because “YÄ is YHVH”=117 and “YHVH is GOD”=117. Which means: GOD the Father is
both Christ’s Savior (Gal. 1:1) and ours. (1Cor. 6:14) “GOD the Father”=117 “is” “The Savior”=117. (AKJV: Isaiah 12:2)THIS IS IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND CRITICAL IN OUR UNDERSTANDING!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 18 2010,12:36) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2010,12:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 18 2010,12:22) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 18 2010,00:56) B.D. better read the new testament and find out what Jesus is truly saying to you!!! You better think about the Holy spirit again because if your faith is not in Christ, than you dont have it!!! HE IS YOUR SAVIOR!! JOHN 10;27 MY SHEEP LISTEN TO MY VOICE; I KNOW THEM AND THEY FOLLOW ME! THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN BY WHICH YOU MUST BE SAVED(jESUS) dO YOU NOT KNOW THAT CHRIST IS IN YOU.. UNLESS YOU FAIL THE TEST(SCRIPTUAL).. IS HE YOUR LORD? katjo
Names under heaven are not superior to the Name in Heaven which is God Most HIGH, his name is above all including Jesus and it wasn't given to HIM.No, Christ is a lord with a lord and The God of all is the Lord God but you don't understand and therefore do not believe.
“God Most HIGH” …is NOT A NAME!
And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
Mark 5:6-8That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
Psalm 83:17-18Jehovah is The Most High in fact Jehovah is (not) ALLAH,
But those of the ignorant know it not
allah=66 (in Arabic) is NOT a name EITHER, but merely a 'title'=66!
Prob.3:33 The 'curse'=66 of the LORD is in the ('book of fraud'=114)
house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
Jer.17:5: Thus saith the LORD(YHVH=63); Cursed be the man that trusteth in man,
and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD(The Bible=63).
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