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TT, your warped logic is so demeaning to someone who professes intelligence.
Did Abraham love his son more than God – no, He loved God more than his own Son and was willing to sacrifice his son to God to prove it.
God loved the world so much he was willing to sacrifice his own son to [save] it.
Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 09 2010,06:37) God was in Heaven speaking through the clouds to himself?
Your problem is that you think God is a solitary one when He has revealed Himself as a plural one.thinker
Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 08 2010,14:41) TT, your warped logic is so demeaning to someone who professes intelligence.
JAThis is not spiritual fruit is it?
WJ
Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 09 2010,06:29) Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 09 2010,06:15) TT, When Jesus was anointed at his baptism, God spoke through the vessel of the atmostphere (Clouds?) energising teh atoms to simulate a human audible voice.
Where was Jesus/God? So God was speaking to God and being anointed by God as God who had been God but was now man – wholly man …(Haven't we been here before?)
Jesus had union with His Father from a boy. The Father was IN Him and He was IN the Father LONG BEFORE He received the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the union of the Father and the Son was without an intermediate agent.The Holy Spirit was given to Christ for His office in the same way the Spirit was given to others before Him. It spoke nothing of the union He had with His Father PRIOR to that. The Holy Spirit did not unite the Father and the Son any more than it united a man to the Father in old testament times.
thinker
Hi TT,
Do you have any support for your ideas here or are they just opinion?Are we just to accept your ERGO in another thread that God is also His Son?
I am glad you acknowledge God has a Son that he anointed with His Spirit.
How does trinity theory align with this?
Those anointed with the Spirit of God prior to the coming of Jesus are still alive in that Spirit to the God of the living.
Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 09 2010,06:41) TT, your warped logic is so demeaning to someone who professes intelligence. Did Abraham love his son more than God – no, He loved God more than his own Son and was willing to sacrifice his son to God to prove it.
God loved the world so much he was willing to sacrifice his own son to [save] it.
Jesus said, “Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his own life for another.” Jesus said that this is why the Father loves Him.The love of Jesus cannot be surpassed. You minimize the love of Jesus to your own destruction.
thinker
WJ,
Draw attention to the positive parts – my rantings are my own not Holy Spirited. You use my rantiings as a way of not answering the main points – like a true politician – Please do not hink that this has gone unnoticed.Good to joust with you. I'm off home now so will be away for a while.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2010,06:45) Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 09 2010,06:29) Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 09 2010,06:15) TT, When Jesus was anointed at his baptism, God spoke through the vessel of the atmostphere (Clouds?) energising teh atoms to simulate a human audible voice.
Where was Jesus/God? So God was speaking to God and being anointed by God as God who had been God but was now man – wholly man …(Haven't we been here before?)
Jesus had union with His Father from a boy. The Father was IN Him and He was IN the Father LONG BEFORE He received the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the union of the Father and the Son was without an intermediate agent.The Holy Spirit was given to Christ for His office in the same way the Spirit was given to others before Him. It spoke nothing of the union He had with His Father PRIOR to that. The Holy Spirit did not unite the Father and the Son any more than it united a man to the Father in old testament times.
thinker
Hi TT,
Do you have any support for your ideas here or are they just opinion?Are we just to accept your ERGO in another thread that God is also His Son?
I am glad you acknowledge God has a Son that he anointed with His Spirit.
How does trinity theory align with this?
Those anointed with the Spirit of God prior to the coming of Jesus are still alive in that Spirit to the God of the living.
Nick,Jesus lived a sinless life BEFORE He received the Holy Spirit. Did He do this IN the Father or not IN the Father? As a boy He told His mother that He must be about doing His Father's will. Did He do His Father's will IN the Father or not IN the Father? If you say, “In the Father” then you admit that His union with the Father was not by an intermediate agent for He had not received the Spirit until Jordan.
Jesus was FROM the Father's bosom (John 1:18).
Therefore, Son's union with the Father was NOT by an intermediate agent like with us.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2010,06:47) Hi TT,
Yes God loves His Son.
There is no trinity.
My point was that the love of Jesus cannot be surpassed, no, not even by God. For Jesus loved in the highest way possible. Therefore, Jesus was God in the flesh for only God can love to the highest degree possible.Or do you minimize the love of Jesus too?
thinker
oh, just to respond to TT,
You misquote Jesus. The quote is “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
John 15:15 then goes on to say: “You are my friends if you do what I command.”Jesus is laying down his life for his friends – this is where you are right – level for level – measure for measure.
God sacrificing his ONLY-BEGOTTEN – His BELOVED Son is a GREATER LOVE because he does it for ALL MANKIND.
This is measure above measure.Hi TT,
Really?
Your imagination runs riot at times.
Speculations such as these and your preterist ideas are no basis for true doctrine.WJ. I said I was going …but…
TT has supplanted God with Jesus.
Please draw TT to one side and have a word with him (in private….) he is going tooo far!
We have our differences and wound one another but now he is attacking God – He is into the construction of his own destruction.
Also, he is speaking like the Jews and the pharasees:
“Who can heal the sick but God alone?”, “Who can forgive Sins but God alone”, “Who can love more but God Alone” Therefore He must be God.And Jesus says:” Not so because what I do is with the authority of God 'my father' and through the power of HIS Holy Spirit”
Further, he says “By myself I can do nothing at all”
Even further, “I do all this for the Glory of God”
More even: “I do not seek my own Glory but that of the one who sent me [for I am a messenger of God] – my joy is doing that which he sent me to do – I am not God but I am OF GOD and he is in me and I am in Him and for that reason if you believe in me and he who sent me then YOU TOO WILL BE IN HIM and IN ME – but that does not mean you will also be GOD – it means that you will be in the TRUTH – and the HOLY Spirit will be upon you – Guiding you in your outgoings and your incomings, enpowereing you to do good works for the Glory of it's owner – God Almighty – my father”Hi TT,
So we are told to love one another as he has loved us.
That does not make us God any more than it makes him his own God.Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 08 2010,14:50) You use my rantiings as a way of not answering the main points – like a true politician
JANo it is your rantings, accusations and condemnation and patronizing that you resort to when you have no response to the truth!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,
Why not cling to truth?
My word is truth[Jn17]There is no strange trinity god in scripture so you have no rock foundation to build on.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2010,15:34) Hi WJ,
Why not cling to truth?
My word is truthj[Jn17]There is no strange trinity god in scripture so you have no base to build on.
NHJesus also said he is the Truth! HMMM! Another one of those statements that no other could make but he who is the Word that was with God and was/is God!
Blessings WJ
Hi TT,
God was in him.
He could do nothing except by his God.
Why do you think speaking the Word of God makes someone that God??Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 09 2010,06:19) Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 09 2010,06:07) TT, You are beyond hope.
Since God contains everything how can something within him be greater than or even equal to him.
Can a part (amongst many parts) be equal to the whole?
JA,You minimize the love of Jesus just like all other anti-trinitarians here. He EXPLICITLY said, “Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his own life for another.”
If Jesus was not God in the flesh , then His love surpassed the love of God. God only “so loved” while Christ loved in the highest sense possible.
If you confess the truth that Christ was God in the flesh, then your conundrum disappears and the love of God becomes equal to the love of Christ.
thinker
Hi TT,Your using faulty logic again, you change this verse to include God, but this verse is about the love of Jesus.
John 15:13: Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
God's love is Greater, because he gave “His Son's” life. (John 3:16)
You use lot's of faulty logic?
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