The Trinity Doctrine

[Ed J]

Quote (katjo @ Feb. 02 2010,15:25)

acts4;11(Jesus) He is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone.(12) SALVATION IS FOUND IN NO ONE ELSE, FOR THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN TO MEN BY WHICH WE MUST BE SAVED!! YOU CANNOT HAVE THE FATHER WITHOUT THE SON! AND WITHOUT THE SON, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT! katjo

Hi Katjo,

Thanks for your support!
Matt.18:16: But if he(BD) will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

God bless you Katjo!
Ed J

[bodhitharta]

Quote (katjo @ Feb. 02 2010,15:25)

acts4;11(Jesus) He is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone.(12) SALVATION IS FOUND IN NO ONE ELSE, FOR THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN TO MEN BY WHICH WE MUST BE SAVED!! YOU CANNOT HAVE THE FATHER WITHOUT THE SON! AND WITHOUT THE SON, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT! katjo

katjo,

Read that scripture again and understand what it is saying.

It is clearly saying that believing in Jesus a person will believe in who sent him. It says there is no other name GIVEN and this name was given by ALLAH/JEHOVAH

Now listen and let me teach you God willing.

The scripture says clearly

In mine adversity I call Jehovah, And unto my God I cry. He heareth from His temple my voice, And My cry before Him cometh into His ears.
Psalm 18:5-7

You simply don't seem to love God with all your heart, mind and soul. If you do not Love God more than you love His Christ you will never really submit to God because you have two masters, two lords and some of you even say two gods.

Unto Thee, O Jehovah, I call, And unto Jehovah I make supplication.
Psalm 30:7-9

Did Jesus teach us to pray “Our Father and Jesus who art in heaven”?

Jesus cried out in supplication to God are you better than Jesus that you do not call on the same God as Jesus did which is the ONLY TRUE GOD?

You keep saying lord, lord but not everyone who says to JESUS Lord, lord shall be saved but in regards to God it says:

Acts 2:20-22 (King James Version)

20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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You must understand
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22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

I really don't understand why no one seems to LOVE GOD here except a few of you.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2010,13:51)

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 02 2010,12:59) Hi Ed! Quote This part is false, that's why I added NOT… Bod does not have the Holy Spirit, The Father BD rejects Jesus' Father as GOD and Jesus as “owner” (the meaning of Lord)! Disagree! Hi Karmarie, Look for yourself at BD's last Post on Page 18! BD refuses to say Jesus is Lord. The Proof is contained in this verse… 1Cor.12:2-3 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto 'these dumb idols', even as ye were led. Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the HolySpirit. This is PROOF the “HolySpirit” is NOT in Him! Further these verses apply to BD as well… Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the HolySpirit(speaketh against the HolySpirit), it shall not be forgiven him; neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Mathew 12:32 Instead of worshiping Jesus' Father(HolySpirit), BD worships 'a dumb idol'(satan is a 'curse'). Prov:3:33: The 'curse'=66 of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just. Don't let BD lead you away from “Bible Truth”=117 to his dumb idol(satan). There is NO forgiveness of BD's sins until BD “Repents”!

Is Jesus the LORD GOD? Yes or No?

Now pay attention when you read about Jesus follow the entire story:

Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
John 15:14-16

Now that you have been told by Jesus himself and also told you that a servant does not know what his lord doeth
look at the plain truth.

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mark 13:31-33

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:35-37

If Jesus does not have access to all the knowledge of God then isn't Jesus the servant of his LORD GOD?

It's like all I find here is actual contempt for God Almighty it truly hurts my feelings and is not what Jesus commanded you to do.

Revelation 2:4 (King James Version)

4Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love

So ED,

Do you have two lords?
Is The Lord God your Lord?
Is Jesus your Lord?

Also tell me is David the Father of Jesus as the scripture says that Jesus is the son of David.?

And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou son of David, have mercy on us.
Matthew 9:26-28

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Matthew 1:1-3

And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
Matthew 15:21-23

And the multitude rebuked them, because they should hold their peace: but they cried the more, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou son of David.
Matthew 20:30-32

And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
Matthew 21:8-10

And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the son of David; they were sore displeased,
Matthew 21:14-16

[Stu]

Quote (katjo @ Feb. 02 2010,10:23)

KARMARIE, hello!  Here is a very reliable Christian site, with all types of questions and answers about muslims beleifs. http://www.gotquestions.org, I think it probably has every thing you need to know. If you type in Muslim beleifs here is some of the titles you can click on ; Muslim Questions – questions from Muslims and about Islam Do the Qur’an and Muhammad affirm or reject the Bible? Should a Muslim read the Bible? I am a Muslim, why should I consider becoming a Christian Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God Are there errors in the Qur'an (Koran Bible Study for Muslims – Who is Jesus There is 5 more pages of questions and answers. I so encourage you to read some of this site. God Bless You… katjo

Just for those who (justifiably) can't be bothered looking, don't worry I did for you.

The question of the week on http://www.gotquestions.org currently is:

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“Why does God allow good things to happen to bad people?”

I'm sure there are people who ask nonsense questions all the time, but I think this one line says it all for this website. It is their featured question!

Can't we raise the standards a little past a kindergarten-age mentality?

“Bad person” is 4 year old talk.

Stuart

[karmarie]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2010,07:37)

BD refuses to call Jesus “Lord”! Read the bottom of his every Post. He says repeatedly Jesus is not (Falsely) his “Owner”; “Lord” means “owner”. Because he cannot say this is PROOF he doesn't have Jesus' Father(HolySpirit)! That is your proof that my God is “HolySpirit”, while BD's god is satan.

Ed, I dont follow the books of Paul, so in regards to the Holy Spirit, and without Pauls explanation- if he has made one, read carefully the words of Jesus

Jesus and Beelzebub

22Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see.

23All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebub,d the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”

25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.

26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?

27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges.

28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

29“Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.

30“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.

31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

33“Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit

. 34You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.

35The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him

. 36But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.

37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

[karmarie]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2010,13:51)

This is PROOF the “HolySpirit” is NOT in Him! Further these verses apply to BD as well… Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the HolySpirit(speaketh against the HolySpirit), it shall not be forgiven him; neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Mathew 12:32

Sorry your remark above is what I was actually refering to previously

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2272

Blasphemy against the Spirit was a sin which could only be committed by the Pharisees during the life of Jesus. To Say that Jesus was doing his work by the power of Satan.

If it were possible for it to be committed, would there not have been some warning against it? Were there any danger regarding it, would the Apostle Paul, who wrote half the books of the New Testament, have failed to warn against its commission? Paul does not even mention the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The sin in question was actually committed in the days of our Lord’s ministry on earth, but it does not necessarily follow that it could be committed in His absence (p. 233).

In conclusion, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only unpardonable sin mentioned in the Bible, and it is mentioned in the context of the Pharisees accusing Jesus of being possessed by the Devil. The context indicates that it was a specific sin, and not a series of forgivable sins, or an attitude of persistent unbelief. After the resurrection, no inspired writer mentions the sin, and no warnings against it were recorded. There is no concrete evidence that it can be committed today. The fact that it is not mentioned after the resurrection, lends itself to the idea that it cannot still be committed. In fact, the indication from passages such as 1 John 1:7,9 is that “all unrighteousness” that a person could commit today can be forgiven by the blood of Jesus. As Howard said when concluding his remarks about the eternal sin: “In the same scripture our Lord gave full assurance that every sin and blasphemy against the ‘Son of man’ shall be forgiven him. Today the gospel of Christ is to be preached to every man on earth and any man on earth may be saved by obeying the gospel (Mark 16:15-16)”  

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This is what I believe.

[karmarie]

Even Stuart can be forgiven

[JustAskin]

Guys,
Have you not been through this already – are you goldfish?

Raise the bar!

[KangarooJack]

Marty said:

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Jacob thought he had seen God, and God did speak to him through the man, but Jesus said no man has seen God at any time. He also said God is a Spirit.  A Spirit is invisible, and cannot be seen except through the works done by the spirit.  The scripture also state that God is invisible.

So Jacob only “thought” that he had seen God? Then the place he called “Peniel” is falsely called. Jacob did not say that he saw God by his works. He named the place where he wrestled with God “Peniel” because he saw God “face to face.”

You are suggesting that Jacob did not wrestle with God but with a work of God. But the man told Jacob that he wrestled with “God.” Am I to suppose that Jacob only “thought” that the man said this to him? And am I to suppose that the man who told Jacob that he wrestled with God was mistaken too?

It is quite arrogant of you to deny Jacob's experience seeing that YOU WERE NOT THERE! It is also arrogant of you to deny God the power to take human form just because He is spirit. Other spirits had the power to take human form. Yet you tell us that God cannot?

Your comments reflect that you are guided by your personal presuppositions about God and that you do not possess the objectivity to engage in a sincere exegesis of the narrative.

thinker

[Anonymous]

BD sorry you better read into the word a little more because the stone that is rejected is JESUS. (proof in the word) He is your only way! I could quote you many scriptures on this. you have to beleive in your heart that Jesus is Lord. Scripture says you cant say Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit!

God Bless..
katjo

[Anonymous]

BD- One more thing I DO NOT HAVE 2 MASTERS AND 2 LORDS! JESUS CHRIST IS OUR LORD GOD! SIT DOWN AND READ; MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, JOHN. alOT OF SCRIPTURE THERE ON CHRIST!

katjo

[Anonymous]

Ed, you for got to mention (holy spirit) CHrist is in you!

[Anonymous]

karmarie, Please dont let any one drive you away from gotquestions.org, there is alot of good info. there WITH SCRIPTURE! People get very defensive and dont even try to read to see what its about. I thought it would really help you out.

God Bless…
katjo

[JustAskin]

TT,

It is absurd to claim that anyone can physically wrestle with God. further, the Scriptures (and common Spiritual sense) says that noone (human) has seen God.

Like the analogy of the Sun and the rays – if you reached out to touch the Sun you would be vapourised before you got anywhere near it (The core). But these are at a human physics level.

No sinful human can see God and live (Stephen, et al., saw visions of God, not God himself).

Jacobs encounter is more likely to be one of conscience – he wrestled with God in his conscience through his spirit and prevailed against the spirit sent by God. God therefore gave him an injury to remind him that God's WILL will prevail – not his, Jacobs's.

Any interpretation is bound in the mind of teh interpretaer but to say it was God himself is truly absurd.

All agents sent from God to do the will of God are termed “God” (no, no don't start!) or “of God” so that the focus is always on the Sender, not the messanger. For this reason the 'man' said: “Why do you want to know my name” – The “Man”…quite rightly refused to give his name so there would be no focus on 'him' and all things point to the sender: God.

Angels are powerful creatures who carry out the will of God when assigned with total commitment and are charged with taking action against those who try to stand in the way of them performing and completing their quest. A mere human being has NO CHANCE, physically, against such a force – let alone against [a physcial manifestation of] GOD.

[terraricca]

hi JA

they are dreamers they look for intellectual fitness

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 02 2010,11:31)

TT, It is absurd to claim that anyone can physically wrestle with God. further, the Scriptures (and common Spiritual sense) says that noone (human) has seen God.

JA

Nice, masquerade “common sense” with the word “spiritual”!

Maybe “common spiritual sense” is your problem? Do you think an infinite God can be fully understood by “common spiritual sense”?

Wow, you guys really do love to argue against scriptures.

Are you greater than Moses who was inspired by God to write Jacobs story and who also testified to seeing God!

Are you greater than Jacob that testifies to seeing God face to face?

Blessings WJ

[KangarooJack]

JustAskin said:

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It is absurd to claim that anyone can physically wrestle with God.

Tell the man who told Jacob that he wrestled with God. I'm just telling you what the man told Jacob. And jacob believd the man because he called the place where he wrestled with God “Peniel” because he had seen God face to face.

You have proven what I said earlier that trinitarians believe EVERYTHING the bible says. But you guys pick and choose.

Again, it is not I who said that Jacob wrestled with God. it was the man who was with him that said that Genesis 32:28-30).

It is arrogant of you to argue with the scriptures.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

JustAskin said:

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No sinful human can see God and live (Stephen, et al., saw visions of God, not God himself).

Why do you think God had to take human form? Duh!

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
Jacob wrestled with an angel.[Hosea 12.4]
God uses vessels to manifest Himself on earth.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (katjo @ Feb. 03 2010,02:22)

BD- One more thing I DO NOT HAVE 2 MASTERS AND 2 LORDS! JESUS CHRIST IS OUR LORD GOD! SIT DOWN AND READ; MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, JOHN. alOT OF SCRIPTURE THERE ON CHRIST! katjo

Jesus Christ is the Lord God?

Who was Jesus crying and praying to then?
Who was he referring to Mary, when he said he was Going to his God and her God?

Are you now saying that the Lord God has a Lord God? and if so are they both your lords?

Please explain this to me katjo, let's reason together.

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