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Not even the Son knows when He's coming back only the Father knows that, so he is the one that will bring it about at the proper time.Wrong! The Son has ALL knowledge now. It was in the days of His flesh that He didn't know. 1 Timothy CLEARLY says that Jesus Christ is our “Lord” and that HE will reveal Himself at the proper time.
He Himself (Jesus) treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
Note that “God” and “King of kings” is grammatically distinguished here. The King of kings and Lord of lords treads the winepress of the wrath of God Almighty. It is CLEARLY Jesus who is the King of kings and Lord of lords and who is treading the winepress of the wrath of God almighty. It is CLEARLY Jesus in 1 Timothy 6:1 who is called our “Lord” and who will at the proper time reveal that He is the ONLY Sovereign, King of kings and Lord of lords.
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Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 13 2010,18:30) If Jesus had all wisdom and knowledge then He would know when He was coming back already and read your Bible. He is on the Throne of David not the Throne of God. He is at God's right hand.
Read your Bible! Phil 2:6-8And I beheld, and, lo, “in the midst of the throne” and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, “stood a Lamb” as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. Rev 5:6
“For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne” shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. Rev 7:17
And there shall be no more curse: but “the throne of God and of the Lamb” shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: Rev 22:3
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 14 2010,10:39) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 13 2010,18:13) But if you look at the versed altogether is has to be talking about the Father because Jesus is not immortal,Jesus does not dwell in the unapproachable light, and He is not the one who no man has ever seen or can see.
Lies, Jesus is Glorified and is Immortal, and has all things and dwells in unapproachable light.Do you think that Jesus is yet to be immortal? Anathema!
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Heb 13:8
WJ
In Him(Jesus) is all the Fullness of Deity, For it was the Fathers good pleasure for the Fullness to be in Him.Why does Jesus have a Name above all names
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.He was in the form of God (which is Spirit, Satan is also in the form of God) but did not regard equality a thing to be grasped
And why is Jesus highly exalted….. He came down here and did God's Will. This was God's(The Fathers plan from the beginning).
Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 13 2010,18:39) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,10:37) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:25) Funny how it says that God subjected everything to Him and He Will take it back to be all in all and it also says that the Father is not subject to the one He subjected everything to.
Funny how it says that Christ “WILL BE” (future) subject to the Father (1 Cor. 15:28). So Jesus was NOT subject when paul wrote those words.thinker
Actually sir
It says both. And if God gave Jesus everything then He can take it away. It is plain logic that is someone gives you all power that still you are above them.
It is also plain logic that if that the Father gave him all things then he has all things!Jesus is not servant Messiah any longer!
WJ
Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:39) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,10:37) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:25) Funny how it says that God subjected everything to Him and He Will take it back to be all in all and it also says that the Father is not subject to the one He subjected everything to.
Funny how it says that Christ “WILL BE” (future) subject to the Father (1 Cor. 15:28). So Jesus was NOT subject when paul wrote those words.thinker
Actually sir
It says both. And if God gave Jesus everything then He can take it away. It is plain logic that is someone gives you all power that still you are above them.
No sir it does not say both. It says that Christ GIVES IT BACK. It is the Son's kingdom BY INHERITANCE and the only way God could take it away is if the Son would disobey. God took it away fromm the Jews for their disobedience. Do you expect that the Son will become disobedient?It is the Son's kingdom BY RIGHT and it cannot be taken away. HE GIVES IT BACK ON HIS OWN VOLITION!
Think it through “sir.”
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,10:50) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:39) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,10:37) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:25) Funny how it says that God subjected everything to Him and He Will take it back to be all in all and it also says that the Father is not subject to the one He subjected everything to.
Funny how it says that Christ “WILL BE” (future) subject to the Father (1 Cor. 15:28). So Jesus was NOT subject when paul wrote those words.thinker
Actually sir
It says both. And if God gave Jesus everything then He can take it away. It is plain logic that is someone gives you all power that still you are above them.
No sir it does not say both. It says that Christ GIVES IT BACK. It is the Son's kingdom BY INHERITANCE and the only way God could take it away is if the Son would disobey. God took it away fromm the Jews for their disobedience. Do you expect that the Son will become disobedient?It is the Son's kingdom BY RIGHT and it cannot be taken away. HE GIVES IT BACK ON HIS OWN VOLITION!
Think it through “sir.”
thinker
Then why would he give it back at all if the Father gave it to Him to keep.Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 13 2010,18:47) He was in the form of God (which is Spirit, Satan is also in the form of God) but did not regard equality a thing to be grasped
It is border line blasphemy to say that satan is in the form of God!Clearly the Apostle clarifies that being in the form of God means you are equal with God and Jesus did not see that as being a thing to hold onto (grasped).
The word form is the Strong's G3444 – morphē which means
1) the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision
2) external appearance
Are you saying that satan strikes our vision as God or when you look at his appearance you see God?
Again if so, that is Anathema!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 14 2010,10:56) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 13 2010,18:47) He was in the form of God (which is Spirit, Satan is also in the form of God) but did not regard equality a thing to be grasped
It is border line blasphemy to say that satan is in the form of God!Clearly the Apostle clarifies that being in the form of God means you are equal with God and Jesus did not see that as being a thing to hold onto (grasped).
The word form is the Strong's G3444 – morphē which means
1) the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision
2) external appearance
Are you saying that satan strikes our vision as God or when you look at his appearance you see God?
Again if so, that is Anathema!
WJ
Satan is Spirit just as God and Jesus and the Holy SpiritQuote (uoflfan @ Jan. 13 2010,18:52) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,10:50) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:39) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,10:37) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:25) Funny how it says that God subjected everything to Him and He Will take it back to be all in all and it also says that the Father is not subject to the one He subjected everything to.
Funny how it says that Christ “WILL BE” (future) subject to the Father (1 Cor. 15:28). So Jesus was NOT subject when paul wrote those words.thinker
Actually sir
It says both. And if God gave Jesus everything then He can take it away. It is plain logic that is someone gives you all power that still you are above them.
No sir it does not say both. It says that Christ GIVES IT BACK. It is the Son's kingdom BY INHERITANCE and the only way God could take it away is if the Son would disobey. God took it away fromm the Jews for their disobedience. Do you expect that the Son will become disobedient?It is the Son's kingdom BY RIGHT and it cannot be taken away. HE GIVES IT BACK ON HIS OWN VOLITION!
Think it through “sir.”
thinker
Then why would he give it back at all if the Father gave it to Him to keep.
Because in the end there will no longer be a need for a mediator, but God will be all in all.At this time Jesus is all in all!
WJ
Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:52) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,10:50) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:39) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,10:37) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:25) Funny how it says that God subjected everything to Him and He Will take it back to be all in all and it also says that the Father is not subject to the one He subjected everything to.
Funny how it says that Christ “WILL BE” (future) subject to the Father (1 Cor. 15:28). So Jesus was NOT subject when paul wrote those words.thinker
Actually sir
It says both. And if God gave Jesus everything then He can take it away. It is plain logic that is someone gives you all power that still you are above them.
No sir it does not say both. It says that Christ GIVES IT BACK. It is the Son's kingdom BY INHERITANCE and the only way God could take it away is if the Son would disobey. God took it away fromm the Jews for their disobedience. Do you expect that the Son will become disobedient?It is the Son's kingdom BY RIGHT and it cannot be taken away. HE GIVES IT BACK ON HIS OWN VOLITION!
Think it through “sir.”
thinker
Then why would he give it back at all if the Father gave it to Him to keep.
For the same reason He gave up the glory He had with the Father before the world was. He is humble and He does not think of Himself. This is what you anti-trinitarians do not comprehend.The kingdom is His BY RIGHT. He gives it back because He is humble. In principle He does not have to give it back. It could be taken away from Him ONLY in the event He disobeyed God. But “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.” So He is not going to disobey. Therefore, He gives the kingdom back on His OWN VOLITION and becomes subject to the Father again on His OWN VOLITION.
thinker
Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 13 2010,19:03) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,11:02) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:52) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,10:50) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:39) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,10:37) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:25) Funny how it says that God subjected everything to Him and He Will take it back to be all in all and it also says that the Father is not subject to the one He subjected everything to.
Funny how it says that Christ “WILL BE” (future) subject to the Father (1 Cor. 15:28). So Jesus was NOT subject when paul wrote those words.thinker
Actually sir
It says both. And if God gave Jesus everything then He can take it away. It is plain logic that is someone gives you all power that still you are above them.
No sir it does not say both. It says that Christ GIVES IT BACK. It is the Son's kingdom BY INHERITANCE and the only way God could take it away is if the Son would disobey. God took it away fromm the Jews for their disobedience. Do you expect that the Son will become disobedient?It is the Son's kingdom BY RIGHT and it cannot be taken away. HE GIVES IT BACK ON HIS OWN VOLITION!
Think it through “sir.”
thinker
Then why would he give it back at all if the Father gave it to Him to keep.
For the same reason He gave up the glory He had with the Father before the world was. He is humble and He does not think of Himself. This is what you anti-trinitarians do not comprehend.The kingdom is His BY RIGHT. He gives it back because He is humble. In principle He does not have to give it back. It could be taken away from Him ONLY in the event He disobeyed God. But “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.” So He is not going to disobey. Therefore, He gives the kingdom back on His OWN VOLITION and becomes subject to the Father again on His OWN VOLITION.
thinker
Exactly he won't disobey God because he does the Will of God. So God is still in control by the way of whatever Jesus does the God told him to do so.
So what does that prove?The Holy Spirit is subservient to Jesus! There is no disparity in God!
WJ
Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 13 2010,19:06) The scriptures also say that God will judge through Christ.
Where? Even if so. We are not contending that the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are independant of the other, but that they each play their own role and yet God is One!Why is this not possible for God?
WJ
Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,11:01) So if right now the Father has no power over anything and no say in anything?
Cannot a father and son business be operated by just the son? The Father delivered ALL administrative powers to His Son:Matthew 11:27: All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
Christ's ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGNTY is taught clearly here. He said that “ALL things” have been delivered into His hands. This authority extends even to the authority to reveal the Father to whomsoever HE WILLS.
I ask you again: Can a son have ALL the administrative powers in the family business?
thinker
Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,11:06) The scriptures also say that God will judge through Christ.
Jesus said that the Father judges no man but has committed ALL judgment to the Son. So “through Christ” means by direct agency of Christ.The Father judges no man!
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,11:10) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,11:01) So if right now the Father has no power over anything and no say in anything?
Cannot a father and son business be operated by just the son? The Father delivered ALL administrative powers to His Son:Matthew 11:27: All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
Christ's ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGNTY is taught clearly here. He said that “ALL things” have been delivered into His hands. This authority extends even to the authority to reveal the Father to whomsoever HE WILLS.
I ask you again: Can a son have ALL the administrative powers in the family business?
thinker
My Father and I have a business and if he gives me all authority that means he trust that I will do exactly what should be done just as the Father has given the Son everything but the Son only does his will.
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