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Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,11:13) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,11:06) The scriptures also say that God will judge through Christ.
Jesus said that the Father judges no man but has committed ALL judgment to the Son. So “through Christ” means by direct agency of Christ.The Father judges no man!
thinker
Correct through Christ the Father is in Christ so even though Christ is doing everything the Father is still judging.Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,11:11) It proves that even though Jesus is Ruling, He is doing what Father says or has said. 
That's like your father turning over the family business to you and then telling you how to run it.
thinker
Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 13 2010,19:11) It proves that even though Jesus is Ruling, He is doing what Father says or has said.
Then why do you choose to see him as servant Messiah in the flesh?He is Lord of Lords and King of Kings sitting in the throne of God ruling as God!
He is our Great God and Savoiur and our “Only Master and Lord”. Tit 2:13, Jude 1:3, 4
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 14 2010,11:36) Hi WJ,
So if you have two gods what happened to your trinity idea?
Yakkety yak, gobbledy gookthinker
Hi WJ:
Jesus does say that he will send the Holy Spirit, but it is by praying to the Father, and so no, the Holy Spirit is not subservient to Jesus:
Quote 14:15 “If you love Me, keep[d] My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
5 “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
Verse 14:16 states that”he will pray to the Father”, and so that is how he is able to send him.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 13 2010,19:20) Hi WJ:You say the Holy Spirit is subservient to Jesus? Please elaborate on this. I do not believe that this statement is correct. Marty we have been over this before. But here goes.Jesus said that he and the Father would send “Another” counselor.And I will ask the Father, and he will give you “ANOTHER COUNSELOR” to be with you forever– John 14:16The word another is…Strong’s G243 – allos, and simply means;1) another, other it is translated AV — other(s) 81 times, another 62, some 11, one 4, misc 2 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, “I WILL SEND HIM UNTO YOU”. John 16:7The simple meaning of Jesus words is that the “Another” is not the Father for Jesus sends him and the Father does not send himself!THE FACT THAT JESUS SENDS THE HOLY SPIRIT IS PROOF THAT THE SPIRIT IS SUBSERVIENT TO JESUS!But if that is not enough proof then listen to Jesus words…Jn 16:13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.Can’t be the Father…
- for he shall not speak of himself
- but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:
- that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.Can’t be Yeshua…
- He shall glorify me:
- for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
- that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.Jesus is also the Baptiser in the Holy Spirit and fire!The Spirit also proceeds from him and the Father!WJ
Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,08:10) EDJ, Sorry about that…
Perhaps you want them your disciples!
Hi JustAskin,HA Ha Ha, ha ha ha ha.
No; I only want people to take what I say seriously.
It takes the “HolySpirit” resident inside a person for “Truth”
to be believed; and it takes time (like the time it takes a seed to grow).God bless, your Brother in Christ!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybibleocde.orgQuote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,08:45) Some time we gotta laugh together… Truce for a moment there, bro!
Hi JustAskin,Let's progress then, start askin me some questions here…
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=110But “Only' one question Per Post; OK?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTT,
Response to questions about Sads and Pharas.I have nothing to do with them. I believe what Jesus taught.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,07:36) Hi TT,
The spirit of Jesus returned to God when he died as the spirit of all men do.[Ecc12]But the faithful anointing Holy Spirit remained in him and he visited those in prison and was raised to life in that Spirit.
Nick,The scripture does not say that the spirit of Jesus returned to God. It says that He committed His spirit into the hands of God mmeaning he committed His spirit to the will of God. The scriptures expressly declare that Jesus went down to the abyss:
or, “‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). Romans 10:7
thinker
Hi TT,
He gave up his spirit.
He was a man.The spirits of men return to God at death.
Alive in the Spirit of God he visited the abyssQuote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,05:05) TT, So are you saying that Jesus died as Man But was alive as God? I'm still not sure you have answered the question?
Jesus' spirit went back up to heaven but also went down to hell.
Doesn't the rest of 1 Peter 3:18-20 say that it was the [Holy] Spirit that made him alive and took him down to 'preach to the wicked
spirits':Quote 1 Peter 3:18-20 (New International Version – UK)
18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit [Capital 'S'],19 THROUGH WHOM also he went and preached to the spirits in prison
20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
JA,What is it with you? There is no dividing Jesus like that! He was put to death in the flesh. But even His flesh was the flesh of God.
28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
In the spirit He remained alive and in control of the universe (Hebrews 1). The division is between flesh and spirit and not man versus God.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,11:25) Hi TT,
He gave up his spirit.
He was a man.The spirits of men return to God at death.
Alive in the Spirit of God he visited the abyss
Jesus said, “No man has ascended into heaven.” If spirits returned to be with God before Christ's resurrection then there was no need for Christ to die.If you mean that the spirits of men return to God's hand (control) I would not have a problem with that. But they could not return to be with God until after Christ returned to be with God.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,11:32) Hi TT,
God is spirit.
No kidding? Thanks for the insight Nick!thinker
ED J said:
Quote No; I only want people to take what I say seriously. ED J,
I cannot take you seriously. That's why I choose not to discourse with you.
thinker
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