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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 11 2009,06:13) Hi TT,
So you do not know WHO God or His Son is?
Not surprising since you have a strange trinity god.
I said “huh” because your statement appeared trinitarian.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 11 2009,06:21) HiTT,
Yes everything looks that way to you through those thick trinity glasses.
Well look at what you said dude! You said that the Lord is the Spirit and the Spirit is God's.Jesus is the Lord which you say is the Spirit which you say is God's.
It sure resembles trinitarianism to me. Are you really a trinitarian secretively but just like to be stubborn and obstinate?
thinker
Hi TT,
If you want to know Jesus and God know the Spirit.
They are one in the Spirit of God .
The lord is the SpiritQuote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 12 2009,09:07) Hi TT,
If you want to know Jesus and God know the Spirit.
They are one in the Spirit of God .
The lord is the Spirit
spirit as in god's holy spirit?Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 15 2009,18:32) anything with three heads cannot be clean, image is everything.
I tend to agree.Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 16 2009,13:32) anything with three heads cannot be clean, image is everything. 
thinker
From Con's signature:
Quote The Pythagorean, as well as the Platonic philosophers, probably concurred in the fabrication of the Christian Trinity” John Adams (2nd American President 1797-1801)
Did three Persons have a role in bringing you to salvation or just one (assuming that you are truly saved)?thinker
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 15 2009,21:30) The Trinity Teaching, is it a Clean or Unclean Spirit?
To all.Is a thread created to decide if a Trinitarian is unclean or clean, fruitful or judgemental?
WJ
Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 17 2009,15:38) From Con's signature: Quote The Pythagorean, as well as the Platonic philosophers, probably concurred in the fabrication of the Christian Trinity” John Adams (2nd American President 1797-1801)
Did three Persons have a role in bringing you to salvation or just one (assuming that you are truly saved)?thinker
JackThing is they must believe in a trinity of sorts or they reject Matt 28:18 and the many scriptures that speak of the three.
Question is if they see them as “One” or not?
Lets ask them, Hey antitrinitarians, do you believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are “One” or not?
Is Jesus your “Only Lord and Master” or not? Jude 1:4
WJ
Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 15 2009,21:32) anything with three heads cannot be clean, image is everything.
PInteresting that you should mention “Image”.
Jesus is the “Image of the invisible God” or “God made visible”.
You cannot see God without seeing Jesus. If you see the “image of the invisible God” as less than God, then you have a false image of God and therefore are serving a false “god” or false image.
Jesus said…
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: “and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:7
But it seems we have a lot of Philips around here trying to see the Father without even knowing who Jesus is…
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG TIME WITH YOU, AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, PHILIP? “he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father”? John 14:8, 9
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,07:55) “Image of the invisible God” or “God made visible”.
I choose the first one. Image of the invisible God. (Image of God).hi all
i don't think you know what you talking about ,it is so confusing a cat will be lost in this darkness,
you mix God and Christ the man and Christ the resurrected into the position he was before,
you WJ, you never answer the question why Jesus always said that is father was higher than him???
you try to prove the trinity in your own way ,but explain it into the spirit of the entire scriptures from the book of Genesis to revelation and don 't skip one.
and make sure there is not one scripture what is broken in your explanation if you can.
i be waitingQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 17 2009,12:38) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 15 2009,21:30) The Trinity Teaching, is it a Clean or Unclean Spirit?
To all.Is a thread created to decide if a Trinitarian is unclean or clean, fruitful or judgemental?
WJ
TOPIC IS CALLED: Trinity teachingIt is more of a matter of discernment.
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Hebrew 5:14
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1Thessalonians 5:21
Rise above the letter into the spirit of the law.
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 17 2009,12:41) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 17 2009,15:38) From Con's signature: Quote The Pythagorean, as well as the Platonic philosophers, probably concurred in the fabrication of the Christian Trinity” John Adams (2nd American President 1797-1801)
Did three Persons have a role in bringing you to salvation or just one (assuming that you are truly saved)?thinker
JackThing is they must believe in a trinity of sorts or they reject Matt 28:18 and the many scriptures that speak of the three.
Question is if they see them as “One” or not?
Lets ask them, Hey antitrinitarians, do you believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are “One” or not?
Is Jesus your “Only Lord and Master” or not? Jude 1:4
WJ
Jude 1:4 is about giving a warning about false prophets, who use 'elohim's grace to cover their unrighteousness.Jude 1:4 . . . and denying the only Lord [despotēs] 'Elohim, and our Lord [kyrios]Yeshua HaMoshiach.
Notice it is speaking of “TWO LORDS” here:
One is “LORD” 'Elohim and, and two is “LORD” Yeshua HaMoshiach
Who deny the only Lord 'Elohim and our Lord Yeshua HaMoshiach:
These certain men deny the Lord Lord Yeshua HaMoshiach.
They do this by refusing to recognize who Lord Yeshua HaMoshiach said He was, and therefore they also deny who 'Elohim the Father is also.
We are not told specifically how these men deny the only Lord 'Elohim.
It may be that they denied Him with their ungodly living or it may be that they denied Him with their heretical doctrines.
Probably both were true.
Despotēs: 1) a master, Lord. Strong's G1203 – despotēs: Relates only to a slave and denotes absolute ownership and uncontrolled power. Vines: Master; Lord; “a master, lord, one who possesses supreme authority,” is used in personal address to G-d in Luk 2:29; Act 4:24; Rev 6:10.
Kyrios: 1) he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord, 2) in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor, 3) is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master. Strong's G2962 – kyrios: G2962 – has a wider meaning, applicable to the various ranks and relations of life and not suggestive of either property or of absolutism.
hi all
what are those quotes Pythagorean,and Plato,and Socrates,is fourth century BC it as nothing the do with Christ,
except that they came to some way to understand the movements of the existing godHi All,
This is my first time in this Forum but I have read a great deal of what has been written concerning the topic of the Trinity and find the varied responses fascinating (and sometimes sad for some parties in the debate).I, myself, do not believe in the Trinity and have been looking for somewhere to ask questions about it for a very long time.
I will be asking questions and making suggestions as to my own views over time like many of those here before me – but for the immediate present can I ask what is meant by Jesus being “IN THE FORM OF GOD”(Philippians 2:5-6)?
The Bible tells us that God is a Spirit – an invisible being. Perhaps this is what that verse is saying about Jesus while he is with his father in heaven?
Also, I have just watched a video film about Joseph in Egypt. In that story I heard the Pharoah being worshipped as something like “Rah – God on Earth” (Not sure of the spelling of (Rah).
The point is this: Does the Trinitarian Creed make it that Jesus is also being Called “God on Earth”?
(viz: Satan wanting us to worship Jesus as “God on Earth” in clear or erronous defiance of Scripture: “Worship God [the Father – Jehovah – YahWeh – The 'I AM']”And lastly – for now: Can I challenge any Trinitarian to 'walk through' Revelations and explain – honestly and without prejudice – who is speaking or whom is being spoken of concerning “The Alpha and The Omega”, “The First and The Last”, “The Beginning and the End”, as it seems clear to me that there are clear distinctions that only a desperate person could be blinded by (p.s. I know that God tell us that it will be so and I am sadly amused by the desperate MISQUOTES that Trinitarians make to justify thier man-made Creed).
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