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Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,12:04) Quote (georg @ Oct. 25 2009,18:44) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,10:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,17:29) Hi LU,
We can be given the nature of God as the Spirit brings that fruit[Gal5]
Jesus was anointed with the Holy spirit and power[Acts 10]But you think Jesus was always anointed in the Spirit of God and the Jordan was just for show?
Only after that[lk4.1] is he said to be FULL OF the Spirit.
Hi Nick,
I do not think that Jesus was always anointed to begin His ministry that He had during His last three and a half years before crucifixion. That happened at the Jordan. I also do not think that He was ever separated from the Father as we are for it is sin that separates and Jesus was without sin.Also we can partake of the nature of God but we didn't always have it…the Son did.
You ask,”Do you think that Jesus did the works in His own power?” My answer…no. When Jesus took on flesh He had as much power as you did when you were born. All power was given to Him.
LU
Hi Kathi! Only once was Jesus separated from the Father.
When He took on all of our sins, He cried out:” My God, my God why have you forsaken me.” Then He gave up His Spirit and died, for us. God cannot look on sin.
Love Irene
Hi Irene,
As far as I can tell, Jesus was never separated from the Father as we have been. He was forsaken by the Father which was an action. We were separated from Christ and the word separated is an improper preposition I believe and not an action. So, forsaken and separated are two different meanings.Love,
kathi
nowhere in the bible does jesus talk or pray or teach that his father is he or his god is himself. he communicates to his father as another being. he doesnt talk to himself.god knows things jesus doesn't. how can he be god then.
none has seen god, yet man has seen jesus.
even if jesus was this supposed jesus god he would still be god according to you and yet the bible says noone has seen god.psalms 110:1 – says jesus is to sit at the right hand of god.
doesn't say he is god does it, not even a smudge of a hint that they are one or equal.
for his son's complete devotion and sacrifice and doing his fathers will without falte,r god has given jesus the throne to his kingdom over earth.
god din't give himself command over the earth but to his son.
nothing points to wat you claim, it makes no sense when you try to apply it to scripture at all.
if infact he was god, he would have said it so in the bible. however he TELLS us so many times he is not, they are not equal or the same being.
why does the bible say that all has been created except god almighty. god is the only thing that has no beginning, yet jesus does and the angels do, the universe does and we do.
jesus is the firstborn of creation before all was made he was first and thru him god made all.
your theory does not fit in anywhere when you consistently use it at all. only when you make things up in your mind will it. try reading and using only god's inspired words and its meanings.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 08 2009,11:38) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,11:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 08 2009,11:02) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,10:36) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 08 2009,05:31) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,05:26) the holy spirit is not god. your right. it is what he has used to do his will.
Then why is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit unforgiveable?thinker
because it is god's works. god's own hand in a miracle or act or whatever.if a man makes a great piece of art and you go and say nasty false hurtful thing and deny who made it or gave false information about it, etc..
you are hurting and doing damage to the creator or owner of the thing being done or made.
but if your against his son which has nothig to do with what ws done, then thats not the same is it.
Excellent answer!
thank you . now all you have to do is accept christ jesus as your mesiah not muhammad and use the holy scriptures in full and try not to disprove god almighty and do the spiritual works and faith that will only save you not the works of man.your life will be elevated more than now.
Jesus is Messiah and Muhammad is a prophet why does that bother you do you dislike all of the prophets of God or just Muhammad?Yes, Works and faith in God. Even through Christ, but in God nonetheless
you hold up high Quran and muhammad.you believe that they are truth and right.
that the teachings before are incomplete or wrong or twisted.
tht is why you will never accept the scriptures in plain sight when shown to you that are dead on, exact wording, pefect meaning to questions you have.
that is why you try so hard to disprove all except that in quran.
that is why you use scriptures that pertain to nothing in a discussion to avoid and demean god's word.
that is why you only use holy scriptures for dishones things.
quran and muhammad are not god almighys inpired words and your allah is not that same god wither.
if he was you would accept truths and not only uphold yours a true adn right.
people here are only trying to show you the truth of topics and scriptures, your reply to such help by spreading falsehoods, denial, demeaning things and constant disproval of god's word.
i've only tried to show you answers but you only try to ignore and deny and demean the word of god.
i've tried to show and explain to you your scriptures hold no light of truth to the topic at hand and in no way reference or are related to any topic in discussion.
but i now know that that is your goal.
i think you should not try to defend yourself when one is only showing you truth and better understanding.
truth is truth and if you love god as you say you should ake that new knowledge and understanding to heart and let it grow within and let the spiritual growth from it eminate into the wroks adn direction it brings you.
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,05:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 08 2009,11:38) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,11:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 08 2009,11:02) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,10:36) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 08 2009,05:31) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,05:26) the holy spirit is not god. your right. it is what he has used to do his will.
Then why is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit unforgiveable?thinker
because it is god's works. god's own hand in a miracle or act or whatever.if a man makes a great piece of art and you go and say nasty false hurtful thing and deny who made it or gave false information about it, etc..
you are hurting and doing damage to the creator or owner of the thing being done or made.
but if your against his son which has nothig to do with what ws done, then thats not the same is it.
Excellent answer!
thank you . now all you have to do is accept christ jesus as your mesiah not muhammad and use the holy scriptures in full and try not to disprove god almighty and do the spiritual works and faith that will only save you not the works of man.your life will be elevated more than now.
Jesus is Messiah and Muhammad is a prophet why does that bother you do you dislike all of the prophets of God or just Muhammad?Yes, Works and faith in God. Even through Christ, but in God nonetheless
you hold up high Quran and muhammad.you believe that they are truth and right.
that the teachings before are incomplete or wrong or twisted.
tht is why you will never accept the scriptures in plain sight when shown to you that are dead on, exact wording, pefect meaning to questions you have.
that is why you try so hard to disprove all except that in quran.
that is why you use scriptures that pertain to nothing in a discussion to avoid and demean god's word.
that is why you only use holy scriptures for dishones things.
quran and muhammad are not god almighys inpired words and your allah is not that same god wither.
if he was you would accept truths and not only uphold yours a true adn right.
people here are only trying to show you the truth of topics and scriptures, your reply to such help by spreading falsehoods, denial, demeaning things and constant disproval of god's word.
i've only tried to show you answers but you only try to ignore and deny and demean the word of god.
i've tried to show and explain to you your scriptures hold no light of truth to the topic at hand and in no way reference or are related to any topic in discussion.
but i now know that that is your goal.
i think you should not try to defend yourself when one is only showing you truth and better understanding.
truth is truth and if you love god as you say you should ake that new knowledge and understanding to heart and let it grow within and let the spiritual growth from it eminate into the wroks adn direction it brings you.
What you say about me is untrue but you are very young and new to understanding so I forgive you. God bless you, I do hope you learn over time greater truth than you know todayQuote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 09 2009,10:57) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,05:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 08 2009,11:38) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,11:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 08 2009,11:02) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,10:36) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 08 2009,05:31) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,05:26) the holy spirit is not god. your right. it is what he has used to do his will.
Then why is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit unforgiveable?thinker
because it is god's works. god's own hand in a miracle or act or whatever.if a man makes a great piece of art and you go and say nasty false hurtful thing and deny who made it or gave false information about it, etc..
you are hurting and doing damage to the creator or owner of the thing being done or made.
but if your against his son which has nothig to do with what ws done, then thats not the same is it.
Excellent answer!
thank you . now all you have to do is accept christ jesus as your mesiah not muhammad and use the holy scriptures in full and try not to disprove god almighty and do the spiritual works and faith that will only save you not the works of man.your life will be elevated more than now.
Jesus is Messiah and Muhammad is a prophet why does that bother you do you dislike all of the prophets of God or just Muhammad?Yes, Works and faith in God. Even through Christ, but in God nonetheless
you hold up high Quran and muhammad.you believe that they are truth and right.
that the teachings before are incomplete or wrong or twisted.
tht is why you will never accept the scriptures in plain sight when shown to you that are dead on, exact wording, pefect meaning to questions you have.
that is why you try so hard to disprove all except that in quran.
that is why you use scriptures that pertain to nothing in a discussion to avoid and demean god's word.
that is why you only use holy scriptures for dishones things.
quran and muhammad are not god almighys inpired words and your allah is not that same god wither.
if he was you would accept truths and not only uphold yours a true adn right.
people here are only trying to show you the truth of topics and scriptures, your reply to such help by spreading falsehoods, denial, demeaning things and constant disproval of god's word.
i've only tried to show you answers but you only try to ignore and deny and demean the word of god.
i've tried to show and explain to you your scriptures hold no light of truth to the topic at hand and in no way reference or are related to any topic in discussion.
but i now know that that is your goal.
i think you should not try to defend yourself when one is only showing you truth and better understanding.
truth is truth and if you love god as you say you should ake that new knowledge and understanding to heart and let it grow within and let the spiritual growth from it eminate into the wroks adn direction it brings you.
What you say about me is untrue but you are very young and new to understanding so I forgive you. God bless you, I do hope you learn over time greater truth than you know today
really, you say you are muslim islam is your religion correct?unless you are drifting in this on your own and use multiple views and teachings then that is wht the islam religion is about.
i have done plenty of reading on the subject and have talked to but one muslim and that is what it is.
if your not a musil or islam your religion, then you need to not say or imply those ideas and teachings as you have.
you can study or learn till the time you die but if you learn not hte truth you will never see it. the length of ones understanding or knowledge is not an issue.
i didn't know there was a timeline one can learn and understand things?
how long does it take a person to read if one knows how t oread already. how long does it take for a person to understand when one has a mind to comprehend
the question is for you, how long it takes for you to stop your ignorance to truth and stop your pride from learning
your answer now to everything is that i have been at this for a short time.
what i was saying in a earlier post was i have had understanding but never took it upon myself to learn it and accept it for myself and not someone else.
i am not new to teh sense as i only have been reading the bible for 4 months. i've took it upon myself to use all teh transalted bibles and saught out answers from a open mind first before trying to throw in a view from a certain faith.
so your attacks make you look foolish
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,11:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 09 2009,10:57) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,05:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 08 2009,11:38) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,11:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 08 2009,11:02) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,10:36) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 08 2009,05:31) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,05:26) the holy spirit is not god. your right. it is what he has used to do his will.
Then why is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit unforgiveable?thinker
because it is god's works. god's own hand in a miracle or act or whatever.if a man makes a great piece of art and you go and say nasty false hurtful thing and deny who made it or gave false information about it, etc..
you are hurting and doing damage to the creator or owner of the thing being done or made.
but if your against his son which has nothig to do with what ws done, then thats not the same is it.
Excellent answer!
thank you . now all you have to do is accept christ jesus as your mesiah not muhammad and use the holy scriptures in full and try not to disprove god almighty and do the spiritual works and faith that will only save you not the works of man.your life will be elevated more than now.
Jesus is Messiah and Muhammad is a prophet why does that bother you do you dislike all of the prophets of God or just Muhammad?Yes, Works and faith in God. Even through Christ, but in God nonetheless
you hold up high Quran and muhammad.you believe that they are truth and right.
that the teachings before are incomplete or wrong or twisted.
tht is why you will never accept the scriptures in plain sight when shown to you that are dead on, exact wording, pefect meaning to questions you have.
that is why you try so hard to disprove all except that in quran.
that is why you use scriptures that pertain to nothing in a discussion to avoid and demean god's word.
that is why you only use holy scriptures for dishones things.
quran and muhammad are not god almighys inpired words and your allah is not that same god wither.
if he was you would accept truths and not only uphold yours a true adn right.
people here are only trying to show you the truth of topics and scriptures, your reply to such help by spreading falsehoods, denial, demeaning things and constant disproval of god's word.
i've only tried to show you answers but you only try to ignore and deny and demean the word of god.
i've tried to show and explain to you your scriptures hold no light of truth to the topic at hand and in no way reference or are related to any topic in discussion.
but i now know that that is your goal.
i think you should not try to defend yourself when one is only showing you truth and better understanding.
truth is truth and if you love god as you say you should ake that new knowledge and understanding to heart and let it grow within and let the spiritual growth from it eminate into the wroks adn direction it brings you.
What you say about me is untrue but you are very young and new to understanding so I forgive you. God bless you, I do hope you learn over time greater truth than you know today
really, you say you are muslim islam is your religion correct?unless you are drifting in this on your own and use multiple views and teachings then that is wht the islam religion is about.
i have done plenty of reading on the subject and have talked to but one muslim and that is what it is.
if your not a musil or islam your religion, then you need to not say or imply those ideas and teachings as you have.
Perhaps you should know what a Muslim is because if you do not to submit to God you are not a MuslimQuote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,11:05) you can study or learn till the time you die but if you learn not hte truth you will never see it. the length of ones understanding or knowledge is not an issue. i didn't know there was a timeline one can learn and understand things?
how long does it take a person to read if one knows how t oread already. how long does it take for a person to understand when one has a mind to comprehend
the question is for you, how long it takes for you to stop your ignorance to truth and stop your pride from learning
If you do not submit to God you are not a Muslim, it's up to youQuote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,11:07) your answer now to everything is that i have been at this for a short time. what i was saying in a earlier post was i have had understanding but never took it upon myself to learn it and accept it for myself and not someone else.
i am not new to teh sense as i only have been reading the bible for 4 months. i've took it upon myself to use all teh transalted bibles and saught out answers from a open mind first before trying to throw in a view from a certain faith.
so your attacks make you look foolish
No, Your lack of study and then thinking your suddenly an expert is foolish. The scriptures say:Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:14-16You really believe that studying for 4 months while still not being fully devoted to God makes you qualified to teach?
i am not prideful or ignorant or try to disprove the good news of the bible. to do so is fullish
if i am given truth or a teaching that has been shown to be false or true i have no problem seeing it with my eyes and being able to understand it and thus accepting what is right.
to learn is rewarding, to be prideful and ignorant is destructive
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 09 2009,11:14) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,11:07) your answer now to everything is that i have been at this for a short time. what i was saying in a earlier post was i have had understanding but never took it upon myself to learn it and accept it for myself and not someone else.
i am not new to teh sense as i only have been reading the bible for 4 months. i've took it upon myself to use all teh transalted bibles and saught out answers from a open mind first before trying to throw in a view from a certain faith.
so your attacks make you look foolish
No, Your lack of study and then thinking your suddenly an expert is foolish. The scriptures say:Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:14-16You really believe that studying for 4 months while still not being fully devoted to God makes you qualified to teach?
to be shown truth in the scriptures that are there to see and not man's own opinion has nothing to do with the years one has decided to persue such path.if a person learns a trade such as carpentry but does only as a hobby and has understanding of it, is he less qualifed as much as one who may do it as a living.
i think not.
your selfish pride is blocking the truth.
i tell you what if something is there plain as day and the person is not a challenged mental handicap. why should time be a factor in it.
its not hard to read teh scriptures and see the truth it tells.
all you got to do is open your eyes, open the bible, read the scriptures that will tell you what you seek adn then absorb it.
walla, not that hard.
you are now being prideful and ignorantQuote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,11:14) i am not prideful or ignorant or try to disprove the good news of the bible. to do so is fullish if i am given truth or a teaching that has been shown to be false or true i have no problem seeing it with my eyes and being able to understand it and thus accepting what is right.
to learn is rewarding, to be prideful and ignorant is destructive
That's just it you are prideful, you have been only studying 4 months. Have you even read the entire Bible?I forgive you is all I can say.
One day you may look back on these posts and understand but for now carry on.
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,11:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 09 2009,11:14) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,11:07) your answer now to everything is that i have been at this for a short time. what i was saying in a earlier post was i have had understanding but never took it upon myself to learn it and accept it for myself and not someone else.
i am not new to teh sense as i only have been reading the bible for 4 months. i've took it upon myself to use all teh transalted bibles and saught out answers from a open mind first before trying to throw in a view from a certain faith.
so your attacks make you look foolish
No, Your lack of study and then thinking your suddenly an expert is foolish. The scriptures say:Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:14-16You really believe that studying for 4 months while still not being fully devoted to God makes you qualified to teach?
to be shown truth in the scriptures that are there to see and not man's own opinion has nothing to do with the years one has decided to persue such path.if a person learns a trade such as carpentry but does only as a hobby and has understanding of it, is he less qualifed as much as one who may do it as a living.
i think not.
your selfish pride is blocking the truth.
i tell you what if something is there plain as day and the person is not a challenged mental handicap. why should time be a factor in it.
its not hard to read teh scriptures and see the truth it tells.
all you got to do is open your eyes, open the bible, read the scriptures that will tell you what you seek adn then absorb it.
walla, not that hard.
you are now being prideful and ignorant
You see but are blind, May God open your eyes!wow, really i said i was an expert huh.. hmmm don't recall that.
i do recall having discussion wit hyou on topics that ar ein the bible and tell you what you seek.
i did not teach, all i did was point out the scriptures for you and show you the truth to the questions you deny or ignor or try to disprove.
does showing something from the bible to help show an answer to a question – make them a expert, i don't think so and i never implied i was.
your angry because you will not accept.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 26 2009,14:21) However you do admit That you worship the God of Jesus and to do that you must not worship any other “God” because
A. There is no other God to worship and
B. It violates the first and greatest commandment which may amount to blasphemy as it is slanderous to violate the sovereignty of God.
Hi BD,If there was 'no other god' to worship (as you say),then you would worship my GOD!
But there is 'another god' and His correct title is 'satan'(which means accuser).
Turn to the living GOD, He offers you forgiveness for your sins.
You rejecting Him(HolySpirit) is the only unforgivable sin!
Is that what you really want?Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 09 2009,11:26) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,11:14) i am not prideful or ignorant or try to disprove the good news of the bible. to do so is fullish if i am given truth or a teaching that has been shown to be false or true i have no problem seeing it with my eyes and being able to understand it and thus accepting what is right.
to learn is rewarding, to be prideful and ignorant is destructive
That's just it you are prideful, you have been only studying 4 months. Have you even read the entire Bible?I forgive you is all I can say.
One day you may look back on these posts and understand but for now carry on.
i'm prideful going out of my way again and again showing scriptures that answer you questions.your defense is to ignore and disprove god.
i try to show you is all, that is not pride that is love in wanting the truth to be told
Quote (RokkaMan @ Oct. 28 2009,03:52) Let it be clear when you use the term “God” Do you mean YHWH, the supreme being of all things.
Or title as in God of…to show supreme authority.
Jesus is definately God of all things, but he is not YHWH the supreme being.
If you use God exclusively for the Supreme being, then you cannot use it in reference with Jesus for he is not YHWH.
Although being the Son of YHWH makes him supreme ruler of all things except YHWH.
And the reason he is that, is just as Lightenup said…he was and will never be spiritually disconnected from YHWH. (For he never sinned)
Hi RokkaMan,Someone who corrects should have their facts correct also.
Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.YHVH is God's Name transliterated into English.
GOD’s most sacred Holy Name [יהוה] was given to us directly from the Hebrew language.
Correctly translating Hebrew into other languages can be difficult however.
Some basic linguistical rules need to be considered when translating Hebrew texts.
These include a lack of spacing between words, as a general rule has no written vowels
and the basic direction in which Hebrew is written (opposite: from right to left).
Hebrew word spacing is a modern advent that distinguishes one word from the next,
aiding both translators and multi-linguists alike. Unwritten “implied” vowel sounds
are a concern because, correct pronunciations of Hebrew words are at risk.GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet
lacks vowels. Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.[יהוה] GOD’s Name [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā & [יה] YÄ
Strong’s con. Heb. # 3068, 3069 & 3050The “Divine=63” “Deity=63” of “The Bible=63” is “YHVH=63”!
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 13 2009,06:40) Studying the Quran there is never any confusion over who is or is not God.
Hi BD,Then why are you so confused?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 05 2009,18:40) If you say that the Holy Spirit is the Father then you are saying the Holy Spirit is God, and if so
1) why is the Holy Spirit subject to Jesus and
2) how did the Father send himself?WJ
Hi WJ,The HolySpirit is indeed GOD.
A loving Father does put himself in subject to the needs of his Son; that is called Love.how did the Father send himself?
In Jesus Name read John 14:26 And He brings Jesus with him read John 14:23. This occurred at Pentecost!
Those were the necessary steps to get GOD inside you.Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 09 2009,10:57) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,05:26) you hold up high Quran and muhammad.
you believe that they are truth and right.
that the teachings before are incomplete or wrong or twisted.
tht is why you will never accept the scriptures in plain sight when shown to you that are dead on, exact wording, pefect meaning to questions you have.
that is why you try so hard to disprove all except that in quran.
that is why you use scriptures that pertain to nothing in a discussion to avoid and demean god's word.
that is why you only use holy scriptures for dishones things.
quran and muhammad are not god almighys inpired words and your allah is not that same god wither.
if he was you would accept truths and not only uphold yours a true adn right.
people here are only trying to show you the truth of topics and scriptures, your reply to such help by spreading falsehoods, denial, demeaning things and constant disproval of god's word.
i've only tried to show you answers but you only try to ignore and deny and demean the word of god.
i've tried to show and explain to you your scriptures hold no light of truth to the topic at hand and in no way reference or are related to any topic in discussion.
but i now know that that is your goal.
i think you should not try to defend yourself when one is only showing you truth and better understanding.
truth is truth and if you love god as you say you should ake that new knowledge and understanding to heart and let it grow within and let the spiritual growth from it eminate into the wroks adn direction it brings you.
What you say about me is untrue but you are very young and new to understanding so I forgive you. God bless you, I do hope you learn over time greater truth than you know today
Hi BD,Like the deceptive truths that you hold.
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