The Trinity Doctrine

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 25 2009,14:09)

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,04:25) Hi Bo, Jesus is God, the begotten God.  He has a God (His and our Father) from whom we get the Holy Spirit as it pours out through His Son…it is Jesus's God that we dare not blaspheme. As I see it.  They are one in unity. God bless, Kathi I understand what you are saying but the definition of God is The Supreme Being or as it says in the Bible The MOST HIGH, that is why Jesus says “Our Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD” Therefore Jesus cannot be truly God in any way except in Godliness thus it is written And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Luke 1:34-36 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:9-11 God says(according to the scriptures) that what your saying can't be true.

Hi Bo,
The definition of God (Theos) according to Strong's concordance #2316 is:

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a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities the Godhead, trinity God the Father, the first person in the trinity Christ, the second person of the trinity Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity spoken of the only and true God refers to the things of God his counsels, interests, things due to him whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way God's representative or viceregent of magistrates and judges

So Bo, the definition of God CAN apply to God's Son as you can see in the definition above.

The definition of the Most High God applies to the Father and no other Most High God has been formed. No other could be formed because to be the Most High God, that being with that title would have to be the source of all things good and not come from anything. That being would be God in the absolute fullest sense. The definition of God could also apply to the Most High God's son because God could only beget God (like man could only beget man and dog could only beget dog) and certainly false god would not come from true god any more that false light would come from true light. Do you see this Bo? True God comes from true God, true man comes from true man, and true dogs come from true dogs. Did you ever see a false man come from a true man or a false dog come from a true dog?

So the Most High God (the Father) is incomparable/unique and the Only Begotten God (the Son) is also incomparable/unique. The Father is not comparable to the Son in origin and the Son is not comparable to the Father in origin. These two are united, the Son has never been separated from His Father, the Son has the nature of His Father, the Son has authority over everything besides His Father. The Son has the same mindset and same love and purpose as the Father. Therefore the Son looks like someone that can be my God along with the Father. I do not believe that the Father has any problem with that understanding.

There are other so called “gods” that do not have:
the Most High God's nature
the Most High God's mindset
the Most High God's love
the Most High God's purpose

The other so called “gods” may have a measure of authority though like satan who is god of this world for a time. The other so called “gods” do not have unity with the Most High God.

Another thing about the term “the Most High God” is that merely the words “Most High” being added here indicates a possibility of a lesser true God and that, I believe, is the Son of God. Beyond that there are no other true gods. We have a true Most High God and a true Only Begotten God. Our Father is the only true “Most High God” and His Son is our only true “Only Begotten God.”

My opinion,
Kathi

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
We can be given the nature of God as the Spirit brings that fruit[Gal5]
Jesus was anointed with the Holy spirit and power[Acts 10]

But you think Jesus was always anointed in the Spirit of God and the Jordan was just for show?

Only after that[lk4.1] is he said to be FULL OF the Spirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Do you think Jesus did the works in his own power or in the anointing of his God?

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,17:29)

Hi LU, We can be given the nature of God as the Spirit brings that fruit[Gal5] Jesus was anointed with the Holy spirit and power[Acts 10] But you think Jesus was always anointed in the Spirit of God and the Jordan was just for show? Only after that[lk4.1] is he said to be FULL OF the Spirit.

Hi Nick,
I do not think that Jesus was always anointed to begin His ministry that He had during His last three and a half years before crucifixion. That happened at the Jordan. I also do not think that He was ever separated from the Father as we are for it is sin that separates and Jesus was without sin.

Also we can partake of the nature of God but we didn't always have it…the Son did.

You ask,”Do you think that Jesus did the works in His own power?” My answer…no. When Jesus took on flesh He had as much power as you did when you were born. All power was given to Him.

LU

[georg]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,10:36)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,17:29) Hi LU, We can be given the nature of God as the Spirit brings that fruit[Gal5] Jesus was anointed with the Holy spirit and power[Acts 10] But you think Jesus was always anointed in the Spirit of God and the Jordan was just for show? Only after that[lk4.1] is he said to be FULL OF the Spirit. Hi Nick, I do not think that Jesus was always anointed to begin His ministry that He had during His last three and a half years before crucifixion.  That happened at the Jordan.  I also do not think that He was ever separated from the Father as we are for it is sin that separates and Jesus was without sin. Also we can partake of the nature of God but we didn't always have it…the Son did. You ask,”Do you think that Jesus did the works in His own power?”  My answer…no.  When Jesus took on flesh He had as much power as you did when you were born.  All power was given to Him. LU

Hi Kathi! Only once was Jesus separated from the Father.
When He took on all of our sins, He cried out:” My God, my God why have you forsaken me.” Then He gave up His Spirit and died, for us. God cannot look on sin.
Love Irene

[Lightenup]

Quote (georg @ Oct. 25 2009,18:44)

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,10:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,17:29) Hi LU, We can be given the nature of God as the Spirit brings that fruit[Gal5] Jesus was anointed with the Holy spirit and power[Acts 10] But you think Jesus was always anointed in the Spirit of God and the Jordan was just for show? Only after that[lk4.1] is he said to be FULL OF the Spirit. Hi Nick, I do not think that Jesus was always anointed to begin His ministry that He had during His last three and a half years before crucifixion.  That happened at the Jordan.  I also do not think that He was ever separated from the Father as we are for it is sin that separates and Jesus was without sin. Also we can partake of the nature of God but we didn't always have it…the Son did. You ask,”Do you think that Jesus did the works in His own power?”  My answer…no.  When Jesus took on flesh He had as much power as you did when you were born.  All power was given to Him. LU Hi Kathi!  Only once was Jesus separated from the Father. When He took on all of our sins, He cried out:” My God, my God why have you forsaken me.”  Then He gave up His Spirit and died, for us.  God cannot look on sin. Love Irene

Hi Irene,
As far as I can tell, Jesus was never separated from the Father as we have been. He was forsaken by the Father which was an action. We were separated from Christ and the word separated is an improper preposition I believe and not an action. So, forsaken and separated are two different meanings.

Love,
kathi

[bodhitharta]

Quote (georg @ Oct. 26 2009,10:44)

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,10:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,17:29) Hi LU, We can be given the nature of God as the Spirit brings that fruit[Gal5] Jesus was anointed with the Holy spirit and power[Acts 10] But you think Jesus was always anointed in the Spirit of God and the Jordan was just for show? Only after that[lk4.1] is he said to be FULL OF the Spirit. Hi Nick, I do not think that Jesus was always anointed to begin His ministry that He had during His last three and a half years before crucifixion.  That happened at the Jordan.  I also do not think that He was ever separated from the Father as we are for it is sin that separates and Jesus was without sin. Also we can partake of the nature of God but we didn't always have it…the Son did. You ask,”Do you think that Jesus did the works in His own power?”  My answer…no.  When Jesus took on flesh He had as much power as you did when you were born.  All power was given to Him. LU Hi Kathi!  Only once was Jesus separated from the Father. When He took on all of our sins, He cried out:” My God, my God why have you forsaken me.”  Then He gave up His Spirit and died, for us.  God cannot look on sin. Love Irene

What do you mean God cannot look on sin? If you say that (according to the scriptures) that Jesus died a sinner(In-fact taking on more sin than anyone could have “ALL” of sin) then God raised a Sinner from death He would have had to look on sin. but look:

Psalm 25:17-19 (King James Version)

17 The troubles of my heart are enlarged: O bring thou me out of my distresses.

18 Look upon mine affliction and my pain; and forgive all my sins.

19 Consider mine enemies; for they are many; and they hate me with cruel hatred.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,09:12)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 25 2009,14:09) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,04:25) Hi Bo, Jesus is God, the begotten God.  He has a God (His and our Father) from whom we get the Holy Spirit as it pours out through His Son…it is Jesus's God that we dare not blaspheme. As I see it.  They are one in unity. God bless, Kathi I understand what you are saying but the definition of God is The Supreme Being or as it says in the Bible The MOST HIGH, that is why Jesus says “Our Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD” Therefore Jesus cannot be truly God in any way except in Godliness thus it is written And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Luke 1:34-36 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:9-11 God says(according to the scriptures) that what your saying can't be true. Hi Bo, The definition of God (Theos) according to Strong's concordance #2316 is: Quote a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities the Godhead, trinity God the Father, the first person in the trinity Christ, the second person of the trinity Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity spoken of the only and true God refers to the things of God his counsels, interests, things due to him whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way God's representative or viceregent of magistrates and judges So Bo, the definition of God CAN apply to God's Son as you can see in the definition above. The definition of the Most High God applies to the Father and no other Most High God has been formed.  No other could be formed because to be the Most High God, that being with that title would have to be the source of all things good and not come from anything.  That being would be God in the absolute fullest sense.  The definition of God could also apply to the Most High God's son because God could only beget God (like man could only beget man and dog could only beget dog) and certainly false god would not come from true god any more that false light would come from true light. Do you see this Bo?  True God comes from true God, true man comes from true man, and true dogs come from true dogs.  Did you ever see a false man come from a true man or a false dog come from a true dog? So the Most High God (the Father) is incomparable/unique and the Only Begotten God (the Son) is also incomparable/unique.  The Father is not comparable to the Son in origin and the Son is not comparable to the Father in origin.  These two are united, the Son has never been separated from His Father, the Son has the nature of His Father, the Son has authority over everything besides His Father. The Son has the same mindset and same love and purpose as the Father. Therefore the Son looks like someone that can be my God along with the Father.  I do not believe that the Father has any problem with that understanding. There are other so called “gods” that do not have: the Most High God's nature the Most High God's mindset the Most High God's love the Most High God's purpose The other so called “gods” may have a measure of authority though like satan who is god of this world for a time.  The other so called “gods” do not have unity with the Most High God. Another thing about the term “the Most High God” is that merely the words “Most High” being added here indicates a possibility of a lesser true God and that, I believe, is the Son of God.  Beyond that there are no other true gods.  We have a true Most High God and a true Only Begotten God.  Our Father is the only true “Most High God” and His Son is our only true “Only Begotten God.” My opinion, Kathi

Jesus said that The Most High is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.

God didn't borne Jesus, Mary did.

Jesus was like Mary they ate, slept and died(According to the scriptures)

They both were shown favor from God

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Ephesians 4:5-7

You have to ask yourself that if I have shown you explicitly through the scriptures can you put pride(if it is an issue) aside and be honest for the sake of truth.

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Corinthians 8:5-7

Remember Lord does not mean God if it did we would not see the term “Lord God”

God does not beget nor is he begotten. God creates

[NickHassan]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,10:36)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,17:29) Hi LU, We can be given the nature of God as the Spirit brings that fruit[Gal5] Jesus was anointed with the Holy spirit and power[Acts 10] But you think Jesus was always anointed in the Spirit of God and the Jordan was just for show? Only after that[lk4.1] is he said to be FULL OF the Spirit. Hi Nick, I do not think that Jesus was always anointed to begin His ministry that He had during His last three and a half years before crucifixion.  That happened at the Jordan.  I also do not think that He was ever separated from the Father as we are for it is sin that separates and Jesus was without sin. Also we can partake of the nature of God but we didn't always have it…the Son did. You ask,”Do you think that Jesus did the works in His own power?”  My answer…no.  When Jesus took on flesh He had as much power as you did when you were born.  All power was given to Him. LU

Hi LU,
The anointing of the Spirit of God can allow us to share in the nature of God by His Spirit and produce good fruit.

On the one hand you say Jesus was not so anointed till the Jordan and on the other that he always had this nature of Godly power and grace.

Did he not inherit the nature of man through Mary too or was she just a surrogate? He called himself the son of man.

[Lightenup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 25 2009,20:53)

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,09:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 25 2009,14:09) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,04:25) Hi Bo, Jesus is God, the begotten God.  He has a God (His and our Father) from whom we get the Holy Spirit as it pours out through His Son…it is Jesus's God that we dare not blaspheme. As I see it.  They are one in unity. God bless, Kathi I understand what you are saying but the definition of God is The Supreme Being or as it says in the Bible The MOST HIGH, that is why Jesus says “Our Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD” Therefore Jesus cannot be truly God in any way except in Godliness thus it is written And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Luke 1:34-36 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:9-11 God says(according to the scriptures) that what your saying can't be true. Hi Bo, The definition of God (Theos) according to Strong's concordance #2316 is: Quote a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities the Godhead, trinity God the Father, the first person in the trinity Christ, the second person of the trinity Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity spoken of the only and true God refers to the things of God his counsels, interests, things due to him whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way God's representative or viceregent of magistrates and judges So Bo, the definition of God CAN apply to God's Son as you can see in the definition above. The definition of the Most High God applies to the Father and no other Most High God has been formed.  No other could be formed because to be the Most High God, that being with that title would have to be the source of all things good and not come from anything.  That being would be God in the absolute fullest sense.  The definition of God could also apply to the Most High God's son because God could only beget God (like man could only beget man and dog could only beget dog) and certainly false god would not come from true god any more that false light would come from true light. Do you see this Bo?  True God comes from true God, true man comes from true man, and true dogs come from true dogs.  Did you ever see a false man come from a true man or a false dog come from a true dog? So the Most High God (the Father) is incomparable/unique and the Only Begotten God (the Son) is also incomparable/unique.  The Father is not comparable to the Son in origin and the Son is not comparable to the Father in origin.  These two are united, the Son has never been separated from His Father, the Son has the nature of His Father, the Son has authority over everything besides His Father. The Son has the same mindset and same love and purpose as the Father. Therefore the Son looks like someone that can be my God along with the Father.  I do not believe that the Father has any problem with that understanding. There are other so called “gods” that do not have: the Most High God's nature the Most High God's mindset the Most High God's love the Most High God's purpose The other so called “gods” may have a measure of authority though like satan who is god of this world for a time.  The other so called “gods” do not have unity with the Most High God. Another thing about the term “the Most High God” is that merely the words “Most High” being added here indicates a possibility of a lesser true God and that, I believe, is the Son of God.  Beyond that there are no other true gods.  We have a true Most High God and a true Only Begotten God.  Our Father is the only true “Most High God” and His Son is our only true “Only Begotten God.” My opinion, Kathi Jesus said that The Most High is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. God didn't borne Jesus, Mary did. Jesus was like Mary they ate, slept and died(According to the scriptures) They both were shown favor from God One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:5-7 You have to ask yourself that if I have shown you explicitly through the scriptures can you put pride(if it is an issue) aside and be honest for the sake of truth. But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:5-7 Remember Lord does not mean God if it did we would not see the term “Lord God” God does not beget nor is he begotten. God creates

Hi Bo,

You say:

Quote

God does not beget nor is he begotten. God creates

If I point out a verse that says that God does beget will you believe that it is possible for God to beget?

1 John 5:4-5
4 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that hath overcome the world, (even) our faith.
5 And who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
ASV

1 John 5:1
5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is begotten of God: and whosoever loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
ASV

Now that I have shown you that God does indeed beget, think about this.  God has many begotten sons (those that are born again) but He also has an “Only Begotten Son” which is a Son begotten in a different way than those sons who come to the Father by being born again.

John 3:16-17
16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17 “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
NASU
1 John 4:9
9 By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him.
NASU

I know that Mary begat “Jesus” and I do not say that the Father begat  “Jesus” but He begat the son who much later became flesh who was called Jesus after He took on flesh.  See the difference, Bo?

God's love,
Kathi

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,20:59)

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,10:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,17:29) Hi LU, We can be given the nature of God as the Spirit brings that fruit[Gal5] Jesus was anointed with the Holy spirit and power[Acts 10] But you think Jesus was always anointed in the Spirit of God and the Jordan was just for show? Only after that[lk4.1] is he said to be FULL OF the Spirit. Hi Nick, I do not think that Jesus was always anointed to begin His ministry that He had during His last three and a half years before crucifixion.  That happened at the Jordan.  I also do not think that He was ever separated from the Father as we are for it is sin that separates and Jesus was without sin. Also we can partake of the nature of God but we didn't always have it…the Son did. You ask,”Do you think that Jesus did the works in His own power?”  My answer…no.  When Jesus took on flesh He had as much power as you did when you were born.  All power was given to Him. LU Hi LU, The anointing of the Spirit of God can allow us to share in the nature of God by His Spirit and produce good fruit. On the one hand you say Jesus was not so anointed till the Jordan and on the other that he always had this nature of Godly power and grace. Did he not inherit the nature of man through Mary too or was she just a surrogate? He called himself the son of man.

Nick,
Nature of God doesn't mean “power” of God. Power or strength is not nature…we see that in babies who are weak but have the same nature as their parents.

LU

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 26 2009,12:59)

Did he not inherit the nature of man through Mary too or was she just a surrogate? He called himself the son of man.

Mary only ever seems to get credit for SKIN.  
She was a skin-donning factory!

[Lightenup]

Mandy,
Jesus wouldn't have been a Jew had it not been for Mary…she gets credit for that also and for carrying Him in her womb and later on her hip, feeding Him, training Him in many ways, giving Him direction and for nurturing Him, for being their for Him when He was at His weakest, etc. A surrogate doesn't do all that, only a biological mother.

Love,
Kathi

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,13:51)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 25 2009,20:53) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,09:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 25 2009,14:09) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,04:25) Hi Bo, Jesus is God, the begotten God.  He has a God (His and our Father) from whom we get the Holy Spirit as it pours out through His Son…it is Jesus's God that we dare not blaspheme. As I see it.  They are one in unity. God bless, Kathi I understand what you are saying but the definition of God is The Supreme Being or as it says in the Bible The MOST HIGH, that is why Jesus says “Our Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD” Therefore Jesus cannot be truly God in any way except in Godliness thus it is written And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Luke 1:34-36 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:9-11 God says(according to the scriptures) that what your saying can't be true. Hi Bo, The definition of God (Theos) according to Strong's concordance #2316 is: Quote a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities the Godhead, trinity God the Father, the first person in the trinity Christ, the second person of the trinity Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity spoken of the only and true God refers to the things of God his counsels, interests, things due to him whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way God's representative or viceregent of magistrates and judges So Bo, the definition of God CAN apply to God's Son as you can see in the definition above. The definition of the Most High God applies to the Father and no other Most High God has been formed.  No other could be formed because to be the Most High God, that being with that title would have to be the source of all things good and not come from anything.  That being would be God in the absolute fullest sense.  The definition of God could also apply to the Most High God's son because God could only beget God (like man could only beget man and dog could only beget dog) and certainly false god would not come from true god any more that false light would come from true light. Do you see this Bo?  True God comes from true God, true man comes from true man, and true dogs come from true dogs.  Did you ever see a false man come from a true man or a false dog come from a true dog? So the Most High God (the Father) is incomparable/unique and the Only Begotten God (the Son) is also incomparable/unique.  The Father is not comparable to the Son in origin and the Son is not comparable to the Father in origin.  These two are united, the Son has never been separated from His Father, the Son has the nature of His Father, the Son has authority over everything besides His Father. The Son has the same mindset and same love and purpose as the Father. Therefore the Son looks like someone that can be my God along with the Father.  I do not believe that the Father has any problem with that understanding. There are other so called “gods” that do not have: the Most High God's nature the Most High God's mindset the Most High God's love the Most High God's purpose The other so called “gods” may have a measure of authority though like satan who is god of this world for a time.  The other so called “gods” do not have unity with the Most High God. Another thing about the term “the Most High God” is that merely the words “Most High” being added here indicates a possibility of a lesser true God and that, I believe, is the Son of God.  Beyond that there are no other true gods.  We have a true Most High God and a true Only Begotten God.  Our Father is the only true “Most High God” and His Son is our only true “Only Begotten God.” My opinion, Kathi Jesus said that The Most High is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. God didn't borne Jesus, Mary did. Jesus was like Mary they ate, slept and died(According to the scriptures) They both were shown favor from God One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:5-7 You have to ask yourself that if I have shown you explicitly through the scriptures can you put pride(if it is an issue) aside and be honest for the sake of truth. But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:5-7 Remember Lord does not mean God if it did we would not see the term “Lord God” God does not beget nor is he begotten. God creates Hi Bo, You say: Quote God does not beget nor is he begotten. God creates If I point out a verse that says that God does beget will you believe that it is possible for God to beget? 1 John 5:4-5 4 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that hath overcome the world, (even) our faith. 5 And who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? ASV 1 John 5:1 5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is begotten of God: and whosoever loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. ASV Now that I have shown you that God does indeed beget, think about this.  God has many begotten sons (those that are born again) but He also has an “Only Begotten Son” which is a Son begotten in a different way than those sons who come to the Father by being born again. John 3:16-17 16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. NASU 1 John 4:9 9 By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. NASU I know that Mary begat “Jesus” and I do not say that the Father begat  “Jesus” b ut He begat the son who much later became flesh who was called Jesus after He took on flesh.  See the difference, Bo? God's love, Kathi

Notice in your usage of the word beget you are simply stating that one forms a relationship with those who are born again and begotten of God are in reality servants of God. God created them and God created Jesus God did not give birth to “a Son” nor would he need to whenever He created Jesus, He did so with Power and His Command

be·get (bē get′, bi-)

transitive verb begot be·got′ or Archaicbegat be·gat′ (-gat′), begotten be·got′·ten or begot be·got′, begetting be·get′·ting

1.to be the father or sire of; procreate
2.to bring into being;

So in the truest sense God did not beget Jesus because God does not procreate He creates.

Etymology:
O.E. begietan “to get by effort, find, acquire, attain, seize,” from be- + get (q.v.). Sense of “to procreate” is from 1205.

However you do admit That you worship the God of Jesus and to do that you must not worship any other “God” because A. There is no other God to worship and B. It violates the first and greatest commandment which may amount to blasphemy as it is slanderous to violate the sovereignty of God.

(3) Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.

(1) Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah.s Will).
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #64)

This is the truth:

(6) “For me, I have set my face, firmly and truly, towards Him Who created the heavens and the earth, and never shall I give partners to Allah.”
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #79)

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Your teachings are not truth but an imitation-just like the book of mormon.

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Hi Bo,
Do you have a specific Bible verse that says this:

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…God does not procreate He creates.

If I worship God and serve Him only then I would also worship His Son as an expression of my worship to the Father. Why Bo, do you think that it is requested of the angels to worship the Son but it would be blaspheme for man to worship the Son?

Don't get confused…I worship one Most High God and only one Most High God. The Son is the Only Begotten God, not the Most High God. My worship of the Son is an expression of my worship of the Father. The Son is not a “partner” of the Most High God but a Son of the Most High God. There is a difference.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Did the only begotten Son have special powers before he was anointed or was he an ordinary man?[Phil2]

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Nick,
I think that the only begotten Son had supernatural powers and that He gave them up to come as the baby Jesus. As a man, the Son did not have special powers before He was anointed at the Jordan as far as I can tell.

LU

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
So none of the miracles and anointed words were of him but it was all of God within him as Spirit.
So he was not God on earth?

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Hi LU, So none of the miracles and anointed words were of him but it was all of God within him as Spirit. So he was not God on earth?

Hi Nick,

You asked:

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So none of the miracles and anointed words were of him but it was all of God within him as Spirit.

He did perform the miracles but not without the guidance and power of His Father. I think that the Son was always united in spirit with His Father from His beginning before creation and I don't think that He gave that up. I think that He always had fellowship with the Father, He always had eyes to see into the spirit realm and ears to hear into the spirit realm but as a human child, He had to be taught to use them. The Jordan was an anointing of His ministry, not of His begotteness, if that is even a word.

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So he was not God on earth?

Well, I never said that He gave up His God nature. He didn't give up that He was the Son of God…He couldn't give up His origin or His nature which made Him an Only Begotten God. It's like a wealthy king of one country that goes to live in another country as a pauper in disguise. If he truly wanted to see what life as a pauper would be like, he would not use his authority or title to exist among the common man. He could not give up the fact that he was a king, he just would not act on it or advertise it yet he would still be a king and in a sense a pauper too. I know this isn't a perfect analogy. I think that the Only Begotten God actually gave up His supernatural power and memories and glory and privileges to come to us and abide with us. The king in my analogy couldn't give up his memories unless he developed a bad case of amnesia. Jesus was man as well as the Only Begotten God while He was on earth.

LU

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