The Trinity Doctrine

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:52)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,17:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:45) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,17:40) Quote What is so hard about explaining the nature of God? Because “God” in this case (as in the Father) is three persons.  And that doesn't make sense to a child when you tell them that one of the persons is divine, and another person is man, and another person is spirit.  They cannot process such a teaching.  Nor can I – I've tried for years. Love, Mandy Mandy Yet you can process that the Father who is a Spirit brought birth to Jesus making him both “Divine” and “Human”? Is he only man? Or is he some sort of “demi-god”, half God and half man? Blessings WJ I have concluded (although everyone here says I'm wrong, so there you go) that Jesus is a divine man. A divine father and a human mother gives birth to a divine man. Mandy Is that the way you explain it to your children? WJ

It's the way they explain it to me!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 22 2009,17:49)

Hi WJ, Yes. In their vain search for what God is they lost WHO He is.

NH

Its good to know that you think that you are God and can read into the hearts of millions of believers and declare that they do not know God! How arrogant!

WJ

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:51)

You have more unknowns now than you ever had, isn't that right?

Actually I don't think so. You know why? I never asked any questions before…..

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Sweet talking is the way of Rome.
Like another confusion cookie?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,17:54)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:51) You have more unknowns now than you ever had, isn't that right? Actually I don't think so.  You know why?  I never asked any questions before…..

Mandy

Like I said you have more unknowns than you had before because you do have questions, right?

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 23 2009,09:49)

Hi WJ, Yes. In their vain search for what God is they lost WHO He is.

Actually……..

This isn't too far from the truth.

I've stopped looking for God. I haven't stopped believing. But I don't study like I used to. I'm still here on heavennet because I enjoy the banter and *sometimes* new ideas from others….

But I haven't studied in ages. There's nothing to study anymore. I've learned that it's all up for interpretation and you can make any dogma you care to from it's pages.

I've been disillusioned, I guess you could say?

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:57)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,17:54) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:51) You have more unknowns now than you ever had, isn't that right? Actually I don't think so.  You know why?  I never asked any questions before….. Mandy Like I said you have more unknowns than you had before because you do have questions, right?

I think there were the same amount of “unknowns” before. I guess you could say that I had limited amount of knowledge but I didn't know it was lacking….

A false sense of security you could say.

In fact, when I set out to prove the JW's wrong on the trinity, I was convinced it would be an easy thing to do! After all, the trinity was absolutely true and blasphemy to not believe so!

Well……after not taking a breath for days and doing nothing but readint he bible…..I found out I was wrong. I felt like I had be duped, to be honest Keith. I still cry about it.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Hi Mandy

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,18:00)

In fact, when I set out to prove the JW's wrong on the trinity, I was convinced it would be an easy thing to do! After all, the trinity was absolutely true and blasphemy to not believe so! Well……after not taking a breath for days and doing nothing but readint he bible…..I found out I was wrong. I felt like I had be duped, to be honest Keith. I still cry about it.

Sorry you had that experience.

There is yet a JW to prove to me scripturally Jesus isn't God!

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Who is your God?
Who are they?

[942767]

Hi CA:

You ask:

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BTW, according to the Bible Alone, WHAT is the pillar and ground of the truth? (For the answer, please see 2 Tim. 3:15)

The church, but not the Catholic church. Jesus stated: “Upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

The Apostle Paul stated:

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1Cr 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 1Cr 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 1Cr 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 1Cr 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 1Cr 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 1Cr 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

This church is not built with false doctrines and practices, but is the church of the Living God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,10:04)

Hi Mandy Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,18:00) In fact, when I set out to prove the JW's wrong on the trinity, I was convinced it would be an easy thing to do!  After all, the trinity was absolutely true and blasphemy to not believe so! Well……after not taking a breath for days and doing nothing but readint he bible…..I found out I was wrong.  I felt like I had be duped, to be honest Keith.  I still cry about it. Sorry you had that experience. There is yet a JW to prove to me scripturally Jesus isn't God! WJ

You see that's the thing, they didn't prove it to me….I proved it to myself, I guess you could say.

I searched the scriptures for something that I knew should be there. Something that I was taught from a child. Something that I had believed without question. I expected there to be big sections in the bible on it, I expected Jesus to mention it, I don't know……. Keith, I expected to find it there within the pages of the NT. I didn't.

Like I said, you're smarter than I am. By far!

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Why not switch from being an expert about God and get to know Him?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,18:14)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,10:04) Hi Mandy Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,18:00) In fact, when I set out to prove the JW's wrong on the trinity, I was convinced it would be an easy thing to do!  After all, the trinity was absolutely true and blasphemy to not believe so! Well……after not taking a breath for days and doing nothing but readint he bible…..I found out I was wrong.  I felt like I had be duped, to be honest Keith.  I still cry about it. Sorry you had that experience. There is yet a JW to prove to me scripturally Jesus isn't God! WJ You see that's the thing, they didn't prove it to me….I proved it to myself, I guess you could say. I searched the scriptures for something that I knew should be there.  Something that I was taught from a child.  Something that I had believed without question.  I expected there to be big sections in the bible on it, I expected Jesus to mention it, I don't know…….  Keith, I expected to find it there within the pages of the NT.  I didn't. Like I said, you're smarter than I am.  By far!

Mandy

Nah, not smarter! Smarts has nothing to do with it.

The Love and Honour I have in my heart for Jesus is equal to my Father. That is the Fathers desire. Jesus is so big in my life that like Paul says he counted all things but dung that he might “win Christ”.

Some fault us for giving this kind of devotion to Jesus. All you have to do is a word search in the NT scriptures for the Father and Jesus and you will find an amazing fact. The scriptures talk more about Jesus than the Father.

Since the scriptures call him God including my Father, then why should I not call him my “Great God and Savour” since I cannot find any difference in him and the Father!

Why should I not worship him when his followers did and the Father commands the Angels to.

Blessings WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
So are you worshiping Jesus from within him?
He said to worship the Father but hey folks do their own thing

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 23 2009,10:35)

Hi WJ, So are you worshiping Jesus from within him? He said to worship the Father but hey folks do their own thing

Wrong Nick! Jesus said that the Father committed ALL judgment to the Son in order that men may honor the Son EVEN as they honor the Father. You present half truths. We know that half truths are falsehoods.

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
Indeed you must honour the Holy One of God.
God lives in him.

“My lord AND my God”

[bodhitharta]

It is about 3:00 am and I can’t sleep it seems until I write this post so here goes:

Mark 3:27-29 (King James Version)

27No man can enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

28Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation

[bodhitharta]

Sorry, I didn't mean to send the first post yet I wasn't finished but as I said it is 3:00 am:)

Luke 12:9-11 (King James Version)

9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

10And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Now Jesus says here that if you Blaspheme him it shall be forgiven but if you blasheme the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven, therefor Jesus can not be God or part of a trinity the reason is, that blasphemy of God would mean all that is God and look:

Leviticus 24:15 (King James Version)

15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.

Jesus says that he can be blasphemed and it is forgiveable therefore Jesus cannot be your God according to the scriptures.

So what we have here is clear proof that Jesus is not God.

[Lightenup]

Hi Bo,
Jesus is God, the begotten God. He has a God (His and our Father) from whom we get the Holy Spirit as it pours out through His Son…it is Jesus's God that we dare not blaspheme. As I see it. They are one in unity.

God bless,
Kathi

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2009,04:25)

Hi Bo, Jesus is God, the begotten God.  He has a God (His and our Father) from whom we get the Holy Spirit as it pours out through His Son…it is Jesus's God that we dare not blaspheme. As I see it.  They are one in unity. God bless, Kathi

I understand what you are saying but the definition of God is The Supreme Being or as it says in the Bible The MOST HIGH, that is why Jesus says “Our Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD”

Therefore Jesus cannot be truly God in any way except in Godliness thus it is written

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luke 1:34-36

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:9-11

God says(according to the scriptures) that what your saying can't be true.

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