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Hi BD,
In Jn 21.7 Jesus was seen on the shore while the apostles were fishing.
They recognised him as THE LORD.But you are still unsure who is the Lord?
Acts tells us he is LORD OF ALL.
But you do not know his voice yet?
You should not listen to a stranger's voice
Hi all, the trinity doctrine seems to be right because they added Holy before it. What I realize is that it allows someone to confess anything about Christ and about God. Bd,you just confessed that Christ is your God, but he disagrees with you. In John 20:17 Christ clearly states who is his God and our God. 1Corinthians 8:5 clearly states who is God. The answer is always the same the Father of Christ is our Father, the God of Christ is our God.
Don't let the term Lord be a stumbling block to your salvation. It pleased the father (Who is God) that everything dwells in his son. We believing that the Christ came in flesh through Peter's confession in Matt 16:16, show that we believe God's record that he sent his son, it shows that we believe the son's record that his father sent him. When we begin to confess that God himself came( Trinity doctrine) we are no longer standing on the rock on which Christ has built his Church.How do we know the Spirit of God? Whoever confesses that Jesus is the son of God the Spirit of God dwells in him. That's how we try the spirit.
If the son also is God, how is it he does not know the day of Judgement. Matt 24:36 and Mark 13:32
Peace be onto you all from God the father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 17 2009,09:45) Hi BD,
In Jn 21.7 Jesus was seen on the shore while the apostles were fishing.
They recognised him as THE LORD.But you are still unsure who is the Lord?
Acts tells us he is LORD OF ALL.
But you do not know his voice yet?
You should not listen to a stranger's voice
Nick,You did not answer my question, should I not call the Lord God, my Lord.
Is the Father your Lord?
Nick, really you know that the use of lord is common in general
Genesis 24
42`And I come to-day unto the fountain, and I say, Jehovah, God of my lord Abraham, if Thou art, I pray Thee, making prosperous my way in which I am going —Is Abraham your Lord?
Genesis 19
2and he saith, `Lo, I pray you, my lords, turn aside, I pray you, unto the house of your servant, and lodge, and wash your feet — then ye have risen early and gone on your way;' and they say, `Nay, but in the broad place we do lodge.'
Here we have “lords”
Genesis 24
44and she hath said unto me, Both drink thou, and also for thy camels I draw — she is the woman whom Jehovah hath decided for my lord's son.Here we have the lords son.
The Fact is I have said that it is my duty to Worship the Lord God. Any person that has a certain degree of rank may be addressed as lord but the Lord God
Psalm 136:2-4 (King James Version)
2O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.
3O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever.
4To him who alone doeth great wonders: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Quote (datguy @ June 17 2009,11:27) Hi all, the trinity doctrine seems to be right because they added Holy before it. What I realize is that it allows someone to confess anything about Christ and about God. Bd,you just confessed that Christ is your God, but he disagrees with you. In John 20:17 Christ clearly states who is his God and our God. 1Corinthians 8:5 clearly states who is God. The answer is always the same the Father of Christ is our Father, the God of Christ is our God.
Don't let the term Lord be a stumbling block to your salvation. It pleased the father (Who is God) that everything dwells in his son. We believing that the Christ came in flesh through Peter's confession in Matt 16:16, show that we believe God's record that he sent his son, it shows that we believe the son's record that his father sent him. When we begin to confess that God himself came( Trinity doctrine) we are no longer standing on the rock on which Christ has built his Church.How do we know the Spirit of God? Whoever confesses that Jesus is the son of God the Spirit of God dwells in him. That's how we try the spirit.
If the son also is God, how is it he does not know the day of Judgement. Matt 24:36 and Mark 13:32
Peace be onto you all from God the father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
I have not said that Christ is my God please correct your assertion.Malachi 3
1Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.Here is proof that God dwelled in his messenger which in this context is Jesus hence why Jesus had to be Holy at birth.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 17 2009,18:42) Hi BD,
God did not come to dwell in His Son till the Jordan.
Thence he was filled with the Spirit.
I didn't disagree with when God came to dwell in him I simply said that he was born Holy.Luke 1:34-36 (King James Version)
34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God
even mary was purified
5) Behold! the angels said: “O mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #42)8) Behold! the angels said: “O mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)Hi BD,
The catholics worship her as some sort of demigod and call her the mother of God.
Like Jesus though she was born of a woman[jb25]Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2009,12:49) Hi BD,
The catholics worship her as some sort of demigod and call her the mother of God.
Like Jesus though she was born of a woman[jb25]
(32) And mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).
( سورة التحريم , At-Tahrim, Chapter #66, Verse #12)(20) And behold! Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?” He will say: “Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #116)(12) In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)Hi BD,
Why do you honour such words?
Anyone could write them.But the word of God is pure and powerful
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2009,13:46) Hi BD,
Why do you honour such words?
Anyone could write them.But the word of God is pure and powerful
These are the words of God. You could not even believe the way you do now back in Muhammad's day and still be a christian as the Catholic Church was the only Christian authority and not believing in the trinity would have been heresy.How did Muhammad know what you know today about the truth of God and nature of Jesus when there was no one to teach him the way unless it be God sent?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2009,17:35) Hi BD,
There are plenty of spirits of deception out there pretending to be of God.
I invite you to study the Quran for yourself.(10) Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are christians”: because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #82)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2009,18:29) HGi BD,
I have no need to spoil the feast I am enjoying with imitation human offerings.
Then please do not quote anything from after the gospels because you are saying they are all unneccessary.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2009,19:06) Hi bD,
If you knew the Spirit of Christ you would recognise that voice in the apostles words.
If you knew the spirit of Christ the that true voice in the Quran.Jesus did not teach what Paul taught
Jesus did teach what Muhammad taught
The focus of Jesus is on the Father
The focus of Paul is on Jesus
The focus of the Quran is placed back on the FatherThere is no god but God
Hi BD,
There is no teacher greater than Jesus who the Father spoke through.
This Spirit of Christ lived in brothers like Paul.
The Lord is the Spirit.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2009,07:41) Hi BD,
There is no teacher greater than Jesus who the Father spoke through.
This Spirit of Christ lived in brothers like Paul.
The Lord is the Spirit.
Yes, the Father spoke through Christ there is no dispute there. Now who was it that announced the birth of Christ?That would be Gabriel and if Gabriel is delivering the Word of God then it is the Word of God.
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