The Trinity Doctrine

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2009,13:33)

Hi BD, We know from the sacred words about Gabriel. But are your teachings from God? Or counterfeit?

Gabriel recited the Quran

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So a false messenger quoted a false message and convinced you?

[gollamudi]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2009,07:41)

Hi BD, There is no teacher greater than Jesus who the Father spoke through. This Spirit of Christ lived in brothers like Paul. The Lord is the Spirit.

Amen to that post brother Nick.
In fact this is where quran has deviated from Christianity. God has placed Jesus at the centre point of creation but Quran has misplaced it. I hope God our Father will bring them to this one fold through Jesus our Lord as he is the only way to that destination 'God the Father'.

Love and peace
Adam

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2009,19:15)

Hi BD, So a false messenger quoted  a false message and convinced you?

Is Gabriel a false messenger?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2009,21:49)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2009,07:41) Hi BD, There is no teacher greater than Jesus who the Father spoke through. This Spirit of Christ lived in brothers like Paul. The Lord is the Spirit. Amen to that post brother Nick. In fact this is where quran has deviated from Christianity. God has placed Jesus at the centre point of creation but Quran has misplaced it. I hope God our Father will bring them to this one fold through Jesus our Lord as he is the only way to that destination 'God the Father'. Love and peace Adam

It isn't Islam that has deviated it is Christianity itself and you already know that Adam. How many sects are there in Christianity?

Christianity has deviated just as Judaism deviated.

Jesus is not represented well in Christianity they accuse him of horrible things and Jesus will not accept those who make him equal to God, it is a grave error indeed.

In the end Jesus will simply disown them and call them liars because they did not do the Will of his Father who Jesus says is THE ONLY TRUE GOD and has THE DOMOINION, THE POWER AND THE GLORY.

You Worship Jesus with all your heart and I will worship God with all my heart and in the end we will surely see who is in the wrong.

John 4:21-23 (King James Version)

21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

(5) And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel (to this effect): worship none but Allah. treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and practise regular charity. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide (even now).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #83)

(10) (Our religion is) the Baptism of Allah. And who can baptize better than Allah. And it is He Whom we worship.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #138)

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Where did you find such teachings?
They seem strange.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 21 2009,16:51)

Hi BD, Where did you find such teachings? They seem strange.

Then you haven't read your own bible.

Nick, who does Jesus says has the Power, Dominion and The Glory.

and why is it strange?

[KangarooJack]

bodhitharta said:

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In the end Jesus will simply disown them and call them liars because they did not do the Will of his Father who Jesus says is THE ONLY TRUE GOD and has THE DOMOINION, THE POWER AND THE GLORY.

bd,
The Revelation says that both the Father and the Lamb (Jesus) have the power and glory,

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Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb, forever and ever (Rev. 5:13)

If anyone is “disowned” it won't be me.

thinker

[bodhitharta]

Quote (thethinker @ June 22 2009,10:48)

bodhitharta said: Quote In the end Jesus will simply disown them and call them liars because they did not do the Will of his Father who Jesus says is THE ONLY TRUE GOD and has THE DOMOINION, THE POWER AND THE GLORY. bd, The Revelation says that both the Father and the Lamb (Jesus) have the power and glory, Quote Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb, forever and ever (Rev. 5:13) If anyone is “disowned” it won't be me. thinker

I don't think you will be disowned because the scripture says:

That the followers of Christ will be placed over the unbelievers but still you join partners with Allah and you take allegory as truth.

I don't perceive your belief as a belief that will condemn you but God will teach you where errors were made.

(1) And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good) while they recite the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #113)

(22) Now, surely, sincere obedience is due to Allah (alone) and (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, (saying), We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah, surely Allah will judge between them in that in which they differ; surely Allah does not guide him aright who is a liar, ungrateful.
( سورة الزمر , Az-Zumar, Chapter #39, Verse #3)

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
We are one with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and will be seated with them at the wedding feast when Jesus puts on servant's garb and attends to his brothers.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2009,15:11)

Hi BD, We are one with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and will be seated with them at the wedding feast when Jesus puts on servant's garb and attends to his brothers.

If you were one with Abraham you would love all the children of Abraham. Do you think Abraham did not love Ishmael? If so why did he make this plea to God?

Genesis 17:17-19 (King James Version)

18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

Ishmael and Isaac even came together to bury their Father Abraham

Genesis 25:9 (King James Version)

9And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre;

(5) Or say ye that Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know best, or doth Allah? And who is more unjust than he who hideth a testimony which he hath received from Allah? Allah is not unaware of what ye do.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #140)

Notice that much of what is written about Ishmael is abrogated to hide the ongoing relationship between Abraham and Ishmael

(1) And when We made the House (at Makka) a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying): Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We imposed a duty upon Abraham and Ishmael, (saying): Purify My house for those who go around and those who meditate therein and those who bow down and prostrate themselves (in worship).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #125)

(2) And when Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundations of the House, (Abraham prayed): Our Lord! Accept from us (this duty). Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #127)

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Claiming sonship to Abraham was not helpful to the Jews of Jn 8.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2009,07:22)

Hi BD, Claiming sonship to Abraham was not helpful to the Jews of Jn 8.

John 8 (King James Version)

39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Jesus told them that in fact they were not Abrahams children, notice he said “if you were…you would do”

You will not see anywhere in the Bible where Jesus claims to be greater than Abraham

in-fact he says that he is greater than Jonas, he said he is greater than Solomon but when it comes to Abraham he says:

Jn 8
54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

and when it comes to Our Father God he says:

John 14:27-29 (King James Version)

28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

So how is Jesus greater than Abraham?

Genesis 18:17-18 (King James Version)

17And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;

18Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

James 2:22-24 (King James Version)

22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

2 Chronicles 20:7 (King James Version)

7Art not thou our God, who didst drive out the inhabitants of this land before thy people Israel, and gavest it to the seed of Abraham thy friend for ever?

(5) And who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself? Verily We chose him in the world, and lo! in the Hereafter he is among the righteous.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #130)

21) Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For Allah did take Abraham for a friend.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #125)

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So Abraham is greater to you than Lord Jesus Christ?
Is he called the Son of God and do the angels worship him?
Has Abraham got a throne or an appointed house you can shelter ?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2009,08:14)

Hi BD, So Abraham is greater to you than Lord Jesus Christ? Is he called the Son of God and do the angels worship him? Has Abraham got a throne or an appointed house you can shelter ?

Did Jesus say that he was greater than Abraham?

(1) We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #87)

(4) Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but Allah Fulfilleth His plan.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #253)

If Jesus is from the seed of Abraham then according to the scriptures he paid tithes to Melchesidec

Hebrews 7

9 One might even say that Levi himself, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, 10 for he was still in the loins of his ancestor when Melchizedek met him.

However, would you say that Melchezidec was greater than Jesus? I think not.

(5) The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. “We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles.” And they say: “We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #285)

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
If you do not yet know Jesus is greater than all men you have not learned much.
He is lord of all.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2009,14:19)

Hi BD, If you do not yet know Jesus is greater than all men you have not learned much. He is lord of all.

Is the servant greater than his master?

Malachi 1:5-7 (King James Version)

6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

Luke 16:13-14 (King James Version)

13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

How many masters do you have?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Funny you should ask because Jesus is our Lord but you claim another who can correct him?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
The salvation offer of Jn 3 is not according to the sin or supposed piety of men but according to how they respond to Jesus Christ.

Listen

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2009,14:43)

Hi BD, Funny you should ask because Jesus is our Lord but you claim another who can correct him?

So The Lord God is not your Master?

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