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Hii,
If Jesus is God the son he is not the son of God.
He is his own father as the trinity God.Folly and nonsense.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2009,07:24) Hii,
If Jesus is God the son he is not the son of God.
He is his own father as the trinity God.Folly and nonsense.
Nick Never the less, He was called God by His FatherHebrew 1:8 But to the Son He said:” Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever. A scepter of righteousness is your Scepter of Your Kingdom.
Peace and Love Irene
Quote (thethinker @ June 05 2009,10:37) Quote (Cindy @ June 05 2009,10:30) Nick! What are you taking about? After Jesus resurrection He did become greater then the Angels, did He not? I thought that was Thinker said.
John 17:5 here it says that He took on the glory which He had with the Father before the world was. Was He not greater then the Angels then? I always thought that He was and is now. Am I wrong?
Peace and Love Irene
Irene,
Thank you. Jesus was “for a little while” made lower than the angels [in rank]. God exalted Him above the angels AFTER He had purged our sins. It's pretty clear.thank you again,
thinker
Hi TT,
Was God made less than the angels?
Or part of God?Was Your God still God then or was he only later raised to be equal with God?
Why not turf this trinity nonsense?
Jesus is the Son of God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2009,19:01) Hi not 3,
Jesus did submit to the baptism of John but then was baptised in the Spirit.
He whom we follow was reborn of water and the Spirit of God.
Can you show me where in the scriptures it says that Jesus was “reborn” of anything?Thanks,
MandyHi Nick,
One came by birth, the many come by rebirth. The many had to have a rebirth to follow Him who had a birth.Heb 2:11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren
We must follow Him and that is correct but we are not Him and we have to be reborn to have GOD as our Father, Christ didn't have to be reborn to have GOD as His Father. Scriptures do not say that He was born again like us.
LU
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2009,01:52) Hi LU,
You must be born again of water and the Spirit.
Come follow me.
Nick,
He wanted us to be able to follow Him and we need to be born of the spirit too. He was born from the spirit before creation. No need for His rebirth, He got it right the first time.
LUQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2009,03:28) Hi LU,
Sort of a ritual?
A ceremony?God is not ritualistic.
He showed us the path to follow=Jesus.
Nick,
What are you asking about? What was “sort of a ritual” or a “ceremony.”Speaking of the Son's “anointing” at the Jordan, please remember the Son was “the anointed one” even from the time of His birth from Mary. He was anointed long before the Jordan at His baptism.
The Son had a measure of the Spirit before the Jordan. At Jordan, He received the measure of the Spirit needed to empower Him as He started His 3 1/2 year ministry.
Note that the Son is the begotten of GOD not the re-begotten of GOD or the “begotten again” of GOD.
LU
Hi LU,
The Lord Jesus was born at Bethlemen.
He did not minister from the manger.But he was trained till 30 and found sinless equipped for service at the Jordan
Hi LU,
God's choice is not rescinded and when Jesus was born he was recognised as the Lord. But Christ means anointed one and anointings manifest in power. That power was shown after the Jordan.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2009,16:47) Hi LU,
God's choice is not rescinded and when Jesus was born he was recognised as the Lord. But Christ means anointed one and anointings manifest in power. That power was shown after the Jordan.
Nick,
You are right that Christ means “anointed one.” He was called the anointed one “Christ” at birth as a man. He was anointed even as a baby.Luke 2:11
11 for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
NASUNote how different it would be if the above verse said this:
“for today in the city of David there has been born for you a baby who will be a Savior, who will be Christ the Lord or who will be the anointed one, the Lord”. His anointing did not come at a later date.LU
Hi LU,
Was he anointed before birth or is that anointing recorded to be at his birth?
Or was he anointed several times?He was recognised as the Christ also read as messiah at his birth but the anointing was later in my view.
Quote (Cindy @ June 07 2009,02:50) qu[quote=Nick Hassan,June 05 2009,10:35]Hi Irene.
Jesus was not God who became man and then God again.
God does not change.But He did have a son.[/ote]
Nick In John 1:14 The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. The Word was there in the beginning with God, before the world was. You do know that, so why do you think He did not go back to what He was before? John 17:5 says
” And now O Father glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory I had with You, before the world was.”
Jesus always was God's Son from the beginning on.
Peace and Love Irene
N[quote=Nick Hassan,June 05 2009,10:35]Hi Irene.
Jesus was not God who became man and then God again.
God does not change.But He did have a son.[/ick
Nick You did not say this?
Irene
Nick What do you mean by that? Jesus was the Word in the beginning, He emptied Himself and became a man. After His resurrection, He took back the glory He had with the Father, before the world was.
John 17:5Peace and Love Irene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2009,16:46) Hi not 3,
We must follow him.
Hi Nick,Stick to what is written. No where does it say that Jesus was reborn – this idea has long been deduced from scripture, but it is not written in scripture.
We follow Jesus – true. It is written that Jesus was born of a women; Mary. He lived, died, and rose again. We will follow him – this is a Jesus we can follow.
Love,
Mandy
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