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Quote Could we just admit we don't know how he did it. Perhaps he
picked the locks or just caused them to open. Perhaps he altered his body. We don't know, from scripture or otherwise,
do we!–seeking.
Yes, perhaps he “altered his body.”
MARK 16:12
“Moreover, after these things he appeared in another form to two of them walking along, as they were going into the country;”Quote He appeared to Paul as a “great light” that blinded Him. This form is His ever abiding form. I'm not saying that Jesus exists as pure light (but maybe). In the least we must say that His imperishable body emanates light. This was not true of the body of His post resurrection appearances. –thinker
The Bibles I am looking at all seem to say:”he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.”
I see no indication in this that Jesus himself was this light that flashed around Saul.We are told that he “dwells in unapproachable light.” He did often say things like “i am the light” but also said his followers where a light.
Quote It may be that Jesus like some angels had the ability to shape shift after his resurrection and that could be how he entered the locked room. –kerwin
“It may be that Jesus….had the ability to shape shift…”
Isn't that exactly what this scripture says?
MARK 16:12 KING JAMES
“After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.”Mark 16:12 DOUAY VERSION
“And after that he appeared in another shape to two of them walking, as they were going into the country.”Quote Angels often appear as men. . . .But they are spirits. –Nick.
Could not the resurrected Jesus, as a spirit do what angels have done before?
Yes.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2009,10:57) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 20 2009,09:18) Jesus body didn't have blood as that was poured out for the sins of men.
Hi t8,
Interesting thought that.Yet he ate with them on at least two occasions.
And the disciples on the way to Emmaeus did not spot anything unusual.
I guess a normal body keeps manufacturing blood from the marrow.
Could well be or it could be that Spirit makes the body alive.If flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom, then does he park the flesh and blood body at the door, or is it to say that flesh and blood means our body of sin.
It does say that we will inherit a spiritual body and that we will be like him. What are your thoughts?
Quote Jesus was flesh after his resurrection.
He said so.
Lk24
39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.Angels often appear as men.
–nick
Humans cannot see spirits, so the disciples evidently thought they were seeing an apparition or a vision. (Compare Mark 6:49, 50.) Jesus assured them that he was no apparition; they could see his body of flesh and could touch him, feeling the bones; he also ate in their presence. Similarly, in the past, angels had materialized in order to be seen by men; they had eaten, and some had even married and fathered children. (Gen. 6:4; 19:1-3) Following his resurrection, Jesus did not always appear in the same body of flesh (perhaps to reinforce in their minds the fact that he was then a spirit), and so he was not immediately recognized even by his close associates. (John 20:14, 15; 21:4-7) However, by his repeatedly appearing to them in materialized bodies and then saying and doing things that they would identify with the Jesus they knew, he strengthened their faith in the fact that he truly had been resurrected from the dead.
If the disciples had actually seen Jesus in the body that he now has in heaven, Paul would not later have referred to the glorified Christ as being “the exact representation of [God’s] very being,” because God is a Spirit and has never been in the flesh.—Heb. 1:3; compare 1 Timothy 6:16.
When reading the reports of Jesus’ postresurrection appearances, we are helped to understand them properly if we keep in mind 1 Peter 3:18 and 1 Corinthians 15:45“Christ died once for all time concerning sins . . . , he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.” (1 Peter 3:18) Humans with flesh-and-blood bodies cannot live in heaven. Of the resurrection to heavenly life, the Bible says: “It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. . . . flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom.” (1 Corinthians 15:44-50) Only spirit persons with spiritual bodies can live in heaven.
Quote (Corinthian @ Feb. 23 2009,15:40) ( interesting point by YHWH. He says He created everything alone. Leaves that pre-existent Christ out does it not?)”
Did YHWH create Eve?Yet he did it from or through Adam's rib.
To all,
Isaiah 44:6 says that YHWH is “goel”, that is Israel's blood relative -Redeemer. Who could fit this bill but Christ? Christ was both Israel's blood relative and Redeemer.No degree in rocket science is needed to figure it out.
Corinthian said:
Quote I seem to be having trouble using the quote and bold/underline etc functions. I get around that problem by putting a lower case b in brackets at the beginning and the end a / b in brackets. Do the same for underline using u in brackets and then / u in brackets. Do the same with “quote”.
thinker
Hi tt,
Rocket science logic is not acceptable for scripture interpretation.
Do not add to the words.Hi david,
You say
“Following his resurrection, Jesus did not always appear in the same body of flesh “I believe this is JW dogma but why do they teach it as it is not written?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 23 2009,02:16) Hi david,
You say
“Following his resurrection, Jesus did not always appear in the same body of flesh “I believe this is JW dogma but why do they teach it as it is not written?
Mar 16:12 After these things he appeared in another form to two of them, as they were walking into the country.Are all spirit bodies the same?
It appears from scripture that a Ghost does not eat and cannot be touched while an angel can both eat and be touched.
David said:
Quote If a spirit can materialize a body, can it materialize a body with holes in the wrists? I think the point of Jesus appearing in different forms (Mark 16:12) was to emphasize the fact that he was no longer a human–that he had been raised a spirit.
David,
I couldn't disagree more. If Jesus had not appeared in the exact same body mutiliated and unchanged, then the resurrection was a hoax. His appearance in the same body unchanged is the proof of His resurrection.Btw, the narrative that says that He appeared in a different “form” is not in the NU text. I refer you to the NASB.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 23 2009,20:12) Hi tt,
Rocket science logic is not acceptable for scripture interpretation.
Do not add to the words.
Nick,
I'll say it a different way: No degree of any kind is need to figure it out! In Isaiah 44:6 YHWH identified Himself as Israel's “goel”. He was speaking prophetically that He would become Israel's blood relative-Redeemer.Quote Thus says YHWH, the King of Israel and his blood relative -Redeemer, YHWH of hosts…. Major premise: YHWH was to become Israel's blood relative and Redeemer
Minor premise: Jesus became Israel's blood relative and Redeemer
Conclusion: Jesus was YHWH
No degree of any kind is needed to figure this out!
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 23 2009,16:22) Hi C,
Deity?He is the Son of God.
He said so-believe him.Hi Nick,
I do indeed believe Him when He says He is God's Son. Do you believe John when he said the Word was with God AND that the Word(Christ) was God, and that the Word ( Christ) created all things? I do, even if my weak human mind has difficulty grasping it. ( I am asking the above since being a noob, I'm not sure from which angle you are approaching this– I'll catch up soon, time allowing).The great “I AM”, the God of Moses' fathers, spoke to Moses from the burning Bush.
[QUOTE]13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?”14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am . This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' “
15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, the name by which I am to be remembered from generation to generation.[/ QUOTE]
1400 years later, Jesus told the Pharisees [QUOTE]John 8:57-59
57″You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
58″I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.[/ QUOTE]
They knew exactly what Jesus was claiming with those words, so they naturally wanted to stone him for declaring Himself the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, the God who spoke from the burning bush.
[QUOTE]John 20:28
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” [/ QUOTE]I agree with Thomas' statement here, and with Jesus claims about Himself. He is the Son of Man, the Son of God and He is God, the creator of all things.
[QUOTE] Ephesians 3:9
and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things……………………
Col 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16[u]For by him all things were created:[/ u] things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. [/ QUOTE]Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2009,14:50) Quote In the New Testament when “God” is referred to, does indicate the Father or the Son? Out of the 1300 or so times “god” appears in the Greek Scriptures, a few of these times are Jesus. The vast majority are his Father. In fact, about 5 of those times, it is referring to the Father as the God “of” Jesus.
What do our Trinitarian brethren make of the scriptures that say the Father is the God of Jesus?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 24 2009,05:29) Hi not3,
Can we believe in a different god and yet be called brethren?
Do you really want to go there, Nick?Luckily we are not called to judge our “brother's in Christ”. If a man believes and is born again, who are you to say if he is a brother, or if he is not? The scriptures are up for debate – no help there. This site is a superb example of what we do not know about God. How could we possibly pretend to be able to call who is serving the “right” God? Ridiculous.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 24 2009,05:29) Hi not3,
Can we believe in a different god and yet be called brethren?
And by the way……
This comment of yours only serves division among believer's. Better to wonder how we can all love the same God and understand him differently.Love,
Mandy
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