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Hi martian,
You say
“Repentance is not just about getting forgiven, but about turning from our faults and overcoming”So all men must repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of their sins and they will receive the giftof the Holy Spirit. YES
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2008,05:31) Quote (martian @ Feb. 18 2008,01:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 17 2008,17:24) Quote (martian @ Feb. 17 2008,02:03) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 16 2008,09:32) Hi Martian,
Then you need to be born again.Rom8
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Can a man of the Old Testament be born again?
Can a man be filled with the Spirit without being born again?Exodus 31:3?”I have filled him with the Spirit of God in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all kinds of craftsmanship
Exodus 35:31?”And He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding and in knowledge and in all craftsmanship
Micah 3:8?On the other hand I am filled with power–With the Spirit of the LORD–And with justice and courage To make known to Jacob his rebellious act, Even to Israel his sin.There is one Spirit. That Spirit is God. That Spirit functions and reveals itself in many ways. To Adam it was the animating presence of God that gave him life. To Job it was that same Spirit of God that sustained his life. To Micah it was the anointing Spirit that filled him. To Jesus the one that anointed him and dwelled in fullness in him. To us the one that regenerates our human spirit continually and fills us.
Hi martian,
God chose men of old and anointed them with the Spirit of life unto eternity.We need to repent and be washed inwardly, symbolised by baptism, as we have all sinned, to be made fit for the treasure of the indwelling Spirit.
So you believe that you need to be baptized to be fit to recieve the infilling of the spirit?
And what happened to that theory at Cornellius' house.
44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.45All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
46For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
47″Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”
48And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.
These peope were filled with the Spirit in the same manner as the apostles before they were baptized.
Hi Martian,
Not at all.
God can do things in whichever way He chooses.
Does scripture say Cornelius and his friends were baptised in water?
You are not honestly going to go there are you? Give us a breakQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2008,05:27) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 18 2008,02:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 16 2008,12:20) Hi martian,
So your claim to be a son of God is because Adam was your dad and God was his?The Jews tried that one and it proved dysfunctional.
Odd considering that it was God who made this original arrangement according to the OT…
Hi KJ,
Men are prodigal.
Lk 3 tells us we are sons of God.
But God no longer recognises the relationship.
Prodigal sons have to come to their senses and start walking in faith.
Where do you get that God does nt recognise us as sons. Like the prodigal's father, God is always ready for us to recognise the relationship and to return to our position as sons. We are all sons and God recognises all of us. Some are obediant sons and some or not.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2008,07:20) Hi martian,
You say
“Repentance is not just about getting forgiven, but about turning from our faults and overcoming”So all men must repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of their sins and they will receive the giftof the Holy Spirit. YES
Are you bored or something? You ust throw out stuff to keep the thread going.Quote (martian @ Feb. 18 2008,07:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2008,05:27) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 18 2008,02:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 16 2008,12:20) Hi martian,
So your claim to be a son of God is because Adam was your dad and God was his?The Jews tried that one and it proved dysfunctional.
Odd considering that it was God who made this original arrangement according to the OT…
Hi KJ,
Men are prodigal.
Lk 3 tells us we are sons of God.
But God no longer recognises the relationship.
Prodigal sons have to come to their senses and start walking in faith.
Where do you get that God does nt recognise us as sons. Like the prodigal's father, God is always ready for us to recognise the relationship and to return to our position as sons. We are all sons and God recognises all of us. Some are obediant sons and some or not.
Hi martian,
Who decides about our righteousness?
Do you think obedience to the Torah is the way?
Are you a Jewish chosen one or from the pagan gentile nations?
Can you decide if your obedience is actually sufficient to impress God?
Are some not among the ALL HAVE SINNED but are righteous in themselves?
Is not such righteousness just filthy rags?]
God calls all men to repent.
A brave man assumes on God.Hi martian,
A thread on salvation would be better to continue this.
The inadequate trinity theory is still evolving so we had better keep this space free.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2008,08:06) Quote (martian @ Feb. 18 2008,07:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2008,05:27) Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 18 2008,02:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 16 2008,12:20) Hi martian,
So your claim to be a son of God is because Adam was your dad and God was his?The Jews tried that one and it proved dysfunctional.
Odd considering that it was God who made this original arrangement according to the OT…
Hi KJ,
Men are prodigal.
Lk 3 tells us we are sons of God.
But God no longer recognises the relationship.
Prodigal sons have to come to their senses and start walking in faith.
Where do you get that God does nt recognise us as sons. Like the prodigal's father, God is always ready for us to recognise the relationship and to return to our position as sons. We are all sons and God recognises all of us. Some are obediant sons and some or not.
Hi martian,
Who decides about our righteousness?
Do you think obedience to the Torah is the way?
Are you a Jewish chosen one or from the pagan gentile nations?
Can you decide if your obedience is actually sufficient to impress God?
Are some not among the ALL HAVE SINNED but are righteous in themselves?
Is not such righteousness just filthy rags?]
God calls all men to repent.
A brave man assumes on God.
Who decides about our righteousness?First one must determine what righteousness is. The concept of righteousness from a Hebrew perspective is one of staying on the path. The path that God sets out for us. Abraham was called righteous because he had faith. Again faith is an action toward God’s will. It is taking actions to do God’s will. It was not enough that Abraham believed God told him to leave the ur of the Chaldeas. Abraham had to actually get out of his house and go.
Do you think obedience to the Torah is the way?
Obedience to the Torah was never the intent of God. I have posted several times the concept of the Torah. It is a set of guidelines set down from father to son.(human fathers or God) these teachings are designed to help the child live a prosperous, Godly and functional life. If a child had a good attitude but still fell short, there was no punishment, but enchoragement on how to do it better the next time. Only when a child insisted on rebellion was there punishment. The entire idea centers on attitude.Are you a Jewish chosen one or from the pagan gentile nations?
I am not Jewish.Can you decide if your obedience is actually sufficient to impress God?
Again it is not as much about obedience as it is about attitude. I can choose to have a proper respectful attitude toward God and his teachings for me.
Are some not among the ALL HAVE SINNED but are righteous in themselves?
Is not such righteousness just filthy rags?All have sinned. That is why we needed a blood sacrifice to buy back our position in God’s kingdom. However that is done. We need not linger there in remorse any longer. Now it is up to us to decide to follow God prescribed path for us or not. As we are faithful to follow God’s directions and learn His wisdom for living, it is accounted to us as righteousness. We will reap the rewards of our continued attitude and desire to follow his path.
God calls all of us to repent of our chosing our own paths. Of going our own way, but there is more. It is not just being sorry that we strayed. We must also continue to attempt to go the right way. It is a covenant. Each party has there part to fulfill.
Hi martian,
So taking a right attitude to God is all you need to do to be saved?
Who decides if it is right enough?Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seems right to a man,But its end is the way of death.Quote God calls all of us to repent of our chosing our own paths. Of going our own way, but there is more. It is not just being sorry that we strayed. We must also continue to attempt to go the right way. It is a covenant. Each party has there part to fulfill. You are referring to a truth that is all but lost in todays modern teaching of Christianity, that we have a part in our salvation. Not in the actual salvation itself but being qualified to have salvation. Jesus enunciated this truth repeatedly in the gospel.
Jesus said that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees you would not enter into the kingdom of heaven. He follows by saying those who do the will of God will have salvation. Indeed, this is why God chose Abraham because he knew he would do justice and judgment and teach his children the same.
Good for you Martian
Steven
Hi Steve,
So haow can we qualify ourselves for salvation?
Even repentance is a gift.We must be washed and dressed in wedding clothes.
Nick;
The goodness of God leads men to repent but not all men accept the gift and repent. God gives us the power to choose.
Hi Steve,
Then the covenant must be sealed in the washing by the blood of the Lamb,
in response to our plea in water baptism.[1Peter3]Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.Hi,
So the Lamb of God enables men to draw close to God.
But some who teach trinity say he is also that same God
??God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. Jesus is the Son of God. He is begotten of God. Every time that Christ is referred to as the Son of God the inherent truth is declared that he was begotten of God at some point in time. Of course, we have not his date of birth. But on earth he is without beginning of days. Heb 7
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