The Trinity Doctrine

[Worshipping Jesus]

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,02:42) Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,01:17) In discussions with other Christians, I have had to eat crow. I am sorry to say I am switching sides. I now know that God in his infinate wisdom and awsome Creation searched all the other inhabited planets and chose the extrterestrial Jesus to come to earth and be the Messiah. In order for us to fullfill what God has for us we must be transmutated into an alien to be like Jesus. Some have been taken up into space ships already and had the work done. Others will be beamed up at the out translation/rapture. After all we are to meet him in the air.Our bodies will be changed into the incorruptable heavenly alien bodies and forever we will beebop about the planets with Jesus in the Heavens. What do you think of my theory? It has as much truth in it as the Trinity doctrine. So I ad a little bit to the scriptures — What's wrong with that? So I read my doctrine into what the scripture says — What's wrong with that?  So I make our great example (Jesus) something other then a human — What's wrong with that?  So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? This must be true, because I believe it and have faith in it. — What's wrong with that? martian Quote So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? What are you saying? That because God ask us to follow him and be like him that he is an evil task master? You do follow God dont you? You were and are being created in his image arent you? Or do you just follow another man? I no longer follow another human. I follow a non human just like you!  I expect that the transmutation will have to take place. I will need to be made like my non human alien master to be like him. My nature and species will need to be changed. You know you must need the same thing since you follow a non human messiah.

martian

No my doctrine says he is the “Word/God” who came in the flesh?

Jn 1:1,14 Phil 2:6-8

Tell me martian, do you think Yeshua still has flesh and blood like we do?

How can you follow a mere man that you cannot see?

Do you limit him to being in the flesh before he offered his body to the death of the cross?

Jesus is not here in the flesh anymore martian!

Was Jesus just flesh or was he Spirit and flesh?

Whos Spirit is in you that leads you, is it Gods or Jesus?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Paul lived in a tent.
Was Jesus a normal man?
Was Jesus just a human tent?
Did Jesus have a human beginning?
If so did God have a human beginning?
Or was he just the contents of that tent?
Did Jesus Christ do miracles in his own power?
Was he working alone or dependant of his God's power?
Was the man Jesus Christ anointed by God with His Holy Spirit?
Acts 10 38

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,04:28)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,02:42) Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,01:17) In discussions with other Christians, I have had to eat crow. I am sorry to say I am switching sides. I now know that God in his infinate wisdom and awsome Creation searched all the other inhabited planets and chose the extrterestrial Jesus to come to earth and be the Messiah. In order for us to fullfill what God has for us we must be transmutated into an alien to be like Jesus. Some have been taken up into space ships already and had the work done. Others will be beamed up at the out translation/rapture. After all we are to meet him in the air.Our bodies will be changed into the incorruptable heavenly alien bodies and forever we will beebop about the planets with Jesus in the Heavens. What do you think of my theory? It has as much truth in it as the Trinity doctrine. So I ad a little bit to the scriptures — What's wrong with that? So I read my doctrine into what the scripture says — What's wrong with that?  So I make our great example (Jesus) something other then a human — What's wrong with that?  So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? This must be true, because I believe it and have faith in it. — What's wrong with that? martian Quote So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? What are you saying? That because God ask us to follow him and be like him that he is an evil task master? You do follow God dont you? You were and are being created in his image arent you? Or do you just follow another man? Hi WJ, We follow the man Jesus. But you?

NH

Nothing wrong with following the man Jesus.

Problem is that is all you seem to think he is, is just a mere man with flesh and bones like we have!

How do you follow a mere man that you cannot see?

Do you limit him to a few books in the Bible?

I followed my Dad growing up, but now he is dead and I cant follow him.

Yet Jesus Spirit lives in me, and he said…

Matt 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is not speaking in allagorical terms here for Paul writes…

2 Cor 13:5
Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you unless indeed you fail the test?

Phil 1:19
for I know that through your prayers and the help given by the Spirit of Jesus Christ, what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance.

Yet we know that the scriptures say there is only one Spirit that we have been made to drink into, the Spirit of Christ which is the Spirit of God, unless of course you would seperate them and say that Jesus somehow telepaths his human Spirit through Gods Spirit which would mean that we have 2 Spirits and not one.

The Man Jesus Spirit and Gods Spirit. Rom 8:9

You cannot seperate the Father from the Son. They are One in every way.

You follow a man. I follow the God/man Jesus. God was in the flesh manifesting himself to mankind. Jesus the man is and was the image of the invisible God.

I follow his Spirit which is God! You want to follow the flesh tent that he lived in!

Jn 14:23
Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

Trinity aside, how do you see him as just a man of flesh?

 

[martian]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,05:40)

Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,03:27) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,02:42) Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,01:17) In discussions with other Christians, I have had to eat crow. I am sorry to say I am switching sides. I now know that God in his infinate wisdom and awsome Creation searched all the other inhabited planets and chose the extrterestrial Jesus to come to earth and be the Messiah. In order for us to fullfill what God has for us we must be transmutated into an alien to be like Jesus. Some have been taken up into space ships already and had the work done. Others will be beamed up at the out translation/rapture. After all we are to meet him in the air.Our bodies will be changed into the incorruptable heavenly alien bodies and forever we will beebop about the planets with Jesus in the Heavens. What do you think of my theory? It has as much truth in it as the Trinity doctrine. So I ad a little bit to the scriptures — What's wrong with that? So I read my doctrine into what the scripture says — What's wrong with that?  So I make our great example (Jesus) something other then a human — What's wrong with that?  So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? This must be true, because I believe it and have faith in it. — What's wrong with that? martian Quote So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? What are you saying? That because God ask us to follow him and be like him that he is an evil task master? You do follow God dont you? You were and are being created in his image arent you? Or do you just follow another man? I no longer follow another human. I follow a non human just like you!  I expect that the transmutation will have to take place. I will need to be made like my non human alien master to be like him. My nature and species will need to be changed. You know you must need the same thing since you follow a non human messiah. martian No my doctrine says he is the “Word/God” who came in the flesh? Jn 1:1,14 Phil 2:6-8 Tell me martian, do you think Yeshua still has flesh and blood like we do? How can you follow a mere man that you cannot see? Do you limit him to being in the flesh before he offered his body to the death of the cross? Jesus is not here in the flesh anymore martian! Was Jesus just flesh or was he Spirit and flesh? Whos Spirit is in you that leads you, is it Gods or Jesus?

Let me tie the first and last statement/question.

No my doctrine says he is the “Word/God” who came in the flesh?
Whos Spirit is in you that leads you, is it Gods or Jesus?

Response –
God’s spirit dwells in me. He dwells in my flesh just like Christ. Jesus as a human had the spirit/breath of God dwelling in him.

Tell me martian, do you think Yeshua still has flesh and blood like we do?

Response –
Most likely not flesh as we do because he is glorified and changed into the incorruptible. This is the same future that awaits those that are saved. This in no way makes him deity.

How can you follow a mere man that you cannot see?

Response –
Now that Jesus is glorified and set upon the right hand of God and because He is fulfilling his mantle and calling as the messiah, He can speak to me and reveal himself to me in many ways. It is no difficult task to follow a “mere” man that has been given all authority in Earth and Heaven. He is capable because of this power to speak to billions and hear the prayers of same.

Do you limit him to being in the flesh before he offered his body to the death of the cross?

Response –
Yep just like the scripture says. Through the death of one man salvation came into the world. Not through the death of one hybrid godman.

Jesus is not here in the flesh anymore martian!

Response –
So what. We will also not be in the flesh after we die or are in glorified bodies. That does not make us or Jesus deity.

Was Jesus just flesh or was he Spirit and flesh?

Response –
Jesus possessed body/flesh soul and human spirit just like us. He also had the Spirit of God dwelling in him just like those of us that are Spirit filled. Still does not make him deity.

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ
You say
“Problem is that is all you seem to think he is, is just a mere man with flesh and bones like we have!”

Funny thing but Lk 24 says
“39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. “

But you would differ?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
You say you followed your Dad but no longer can.
That is right because fathers are not sons.
They can be united in many ways
Becoming one in many ways
Never one and the same

You say
“You cannot seperate the Father from the Son.”
If so why does scripture speak of them separately even till the end of Revelation?

rev 22
3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

You confuse unity with ONENESS

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,05:59)

Hi WJ, Paul lived in a tent.

Yes, his body was his temple!

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,05:59)

Was Jesus a normal man?

No, he was and is the “Monogenes”, “Unique” Son of God” The word/God in the flesh.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,05:59)

Was Jesus just a human tent?

No he lived in a body that he called his temple that he would raise in three days. Remember?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,05:59)

Did Jesus have a human beginning?

Yes when he took on the likeness of sinful flesh. Jn 1:14, Phil 2:6-8

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,05:59)

If so did God have a human beginning?

Yes the Word/God came in the flesh through the virgin Mary. The Father didnt come in the flesh. Jn 1:1,14, Phil 2:6-8

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,05:59)

Or was he just the contents of that tent?

Yes because that tent is just the temple!

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,05:59)

Did Jesus Christ do miracles in his own power?

Yes! Jn 5:19
Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; *for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner*.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,05:59)

Was he working alone or dependant of his God's power?

No. Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, *the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing*; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.

Neither does the Father do anything apart from the Son.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,05:59)

Was the man Jesus Christ anointed by God with His Holy Spirit?Acts 10 38

Yes the Holy Spirit sat upon him like a dove. He had to fulfill all the law and the prophets as the anointed Messiah.

I thought you knew these things?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
You say in reply to asking if God had a human beginning.
“Yes when he took on the likeness of sinful flesh. Jn 1:14, Phil 2:6-8”
You are deceived.

Read scripture

God had no beginning.
God is not a man.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,06:43)

Hi WJ, You say you followed your Dad but no longer can. That is right because fathers are not sons. They can be united in many ways Becoming one in many ways Never one and the same You say “You cannot seperate the Father from the Son.” If so why does scripture speak of them separately even till the end of Revelation? rev 22 3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: You confuse unity with ONENESS

NH

You say…

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You confuse unity with ONENESS

Really?

When God speaks to you is it the Father or Jesus or the Holy Spirit?

Can you tell the difference?

Does the Father say NH hello this is the Father Speaking the Son is busy at the moment?

No NH. The Oneness Jesus has with the Father is not unity.

If your image of Yeshua is less than God, then you make the image of the invisible God less than God!

Jesus is the “Express image of his substance, essence. Heb 1:2

This statement is reserved for only the Word/God who has come in the flesh!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,06:58)

Hi WJ, You say in reply to asking if God had a human beginning. “Yes when he took on the likeness of sinful flesh. Jn 1:14, Phil 2:6-8” You are deceived. Read scripture God had no beginning. God is not a man.

NH

You should read scripture…

Jn 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt (tabernacled) among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Do you believe these words or not?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
You need to decide whether the man Jesus Christ was God
Or as scripture says
God was in him.

Otherwise you make God a MAN
Rom1
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
You say
“Neither does the Father do anything apart from the Son.”
Do you have scripture to support this?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ
You say
“If your image of Yeshua is less than God, then you make the image of the invisible God less than God!”
Ummm
So what?
You are made in the image of God and no one here thinks that makes you God.

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
You say in trinitarianese
“When God speaks to you is it the Father or Jesus or the Holy Spirit?”
Your confusion comes from the ignorance you have caused yourself by accepting false doctrine

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,06:19)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,05:40) Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,03:27) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,02:42) [quote=martian,Jan. 17 2008,01:17]In discussions with other Christians, I have had to eat crow. I am sorry to say I am switching sides. I now know that God in his infinate wisdom and awsome Creation searched all the other inhabited planets and chose the extrterestrial Jesus to come to earth and be the Messiah. In order for us to fullfill what God has for us we must be transmutated into an alien to be like Jesus. Some have been taken up into space ships already and had the work done. Others will be beamed up at the out translation/rapture. After all we are to meet him in the air.Our bodies will be changed into the incorruptable heavenly alien bodies and forever we will beebop about the planets with Jesus in the Heavens. What do you think of my theory? It has as much truth in it as the Trinity doctrine. So I ad a little bit to the scriptures — What's wrong with that? So I read my doctrine into what the scripture says — What's wrong with that?  So I make our great example (Jesus) something other then a human — What's wrong with that?  So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? This must be true, because I believe it and have faith in it. — What's wrong with that? martian Quote So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? What are you saying? That because God ask us to follow him and be like him that he is an evil task master? You do follow God dont you? You were and are being created in his image arent you? Or do you just follow another man? I no longer follow another human. I follow a non human just like you!  I expect that the transmutation will have to take place. I will need to be made like my non human alien master to be like him. My nature and species will need to be changed. You know you must need the same thing since you follow a non human messiah. martian Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,05:40) No my doctrine says he is the “Word/God” who came in the flesh? Jn 1:1,14 Phil 2:6-8 Tell me martian, do you think Yeshua still has flesh and blood like we do? How can you follow a mere man that you cannot see? Do you limit him to being in the flesh before he offered his body to the death of the cross? Jesus is not here in the flesh anymore martian! Was Jesus just flesh or was he Spirit and flesh? Whos Spirit is in you that leads you, is it Gods or Jesus? Let me tie the first and last statement/question. No my doctrine says he is the “Word/God” who came in the flesh? Whos Spirit is in you that leads you, is it Gods or Jesus? Response – God’s spirit dwells in me. He dwells in my flesh just like Christ. Jesus as a human had the spirit/breath of God dwelling in him. Tell me martian, do you think Yeshua still has flesh and blood like we do? Response – Most likely not flesh as we do because he is glorified and changed into the incorruptible. This is the same future that awaits those that are saved. This in no way makes him deity. How can you follow a mere man that you cannot see? Response – Now that Jesus is glorified and set upon the right hand of God and because He is fulfilling his mantle and calling as the messiah, He can speak to me and reveal himself to me in many ways. It is no difficult task to follow a “mere” man that has been given all authority in Earth and Heaven. He is capable because of this power to speak to billions and hear the prayers of same. Do you limit him to being in the flesh before he offered his body to the death of the cross? Response – Yep just like the scripture says. Through the death of one man salvation came into the world. Not through the death of one hybrid godman. Jesus is not here in the flesh anymore martian! Response – So what. We will also not be in the flesh after we die or are in glorified bodies. That does not make us or Jesus deity. Was Jesus just flesh or was he Spirit and flesh? Response – Jesus possessed body/flesh soul and human spirit just like us. He also had the Spirit of God dwelling in him just like those of us that are Spirit filled.  Still does not make him deity.

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Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,03:27) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,02:42) [quote=martian,Jan. 17 2008,01:17]In discussions with other Christians, I have had to eat crow. I am sorry to say I am switching sides. I now know that God in his infinate wisdom and awsome Creation searched all the other inhabited planets and chose the extrterestrial Jesus to come to earth and be the Messiah. In order for us to fullfill what God has for us we must be transmutated into an alien to be like Jesus. Some have been taken up into space ships already and had the work done. Others will be beamed up at the out translation/rapture. After all we are to meet him in the air.Our bodies will be changed into the incorruptable heavenly alien bodies and forever we will beebop about the planets with Jesus in the Heavens. What do you think of my theory? It has as much truth in it as the Trinity doctrine. So I ad a little bit to the scriptures — What's wrong with that? So I read my doctrine into what the scripture says — What's wrong with that?  So I make our great example (Jesus) something other then a human — What's wrong with that?  So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? This must be true, because I believe it and have faith in it. — What's wrong with that? martian Quote So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? What are you saying? That because God ask us to follow him and be like him that he is an evil task master? You do follow God dont you? You were and are being created in his image arent you? Or do you just follow another man? I no longer follow another human. I follow a non human just like you!  I expect that the transmutation will have to take place. I will need to be made like my non human alien master to be like him. My nature and species will need to be changed. You know you must need the same thing since you follow a non human messiah.

martian

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Tell me martian, do you think Yeshua still has flesh and blood like we do? How can you follow a mere man that you cannot see? Do you limit him to being in the flesh before he offered his body to the death of the cross? Jesus is not here in the flesh anymore martian! Was Jesus just flesh or was he Spirit and flesh? Whos Spirit is in you that leads you, is it Gods or Jesus?

Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,03:27)

Let me tie the first and last statement/question.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,05:40)

No my doctrine says he is the “Word/God” who came in the flesh? Whos Spirit is in you that leads you, is it Gods or Jesus?

Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,03:27)

Response – God’s spirit dwells in me. He dwells in my flesh just like Christ. Jesus as a human had the spirit/breath of God dwelling in him.

I am Glad to see Gods Spirit dwells in you.

Then who is this…

2 Cor 13:5
Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you unless indeed you fail the test?

Phil 1:19
for I know that through your prayers and the help given by the Spirit of Jesus Christ, what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance.

Do you have more than one Spirit?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,05:40)

Tell me martian, do you think Yeshua still has flesh and blood like we do?

Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,03:27)

Response – Most likely not flesh as we do because he is glorified and changed into the incorruptible. This is the same future that awaits those that are saved. This in no way makes him deity.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,05:40)

How can you follow a mere man that you cannot see?

Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,03:27)

Response – Now that Jesus is glorified and set upon the right hand of God and because He is fulfilling his mantle and calling as the messiah, He can speak to me and reveal himself to me in many ways. It is no difficult task to follow a “mere” man that has been given all authority in Earth and Heaven. He is capable because of this power to speak to billions and hear the prayers of same.

You are kidding right? A mere man can have all the power of God and fill all things and be everywhere at the same time leading and guiding his own and speaking to them at the same time, while at the same time upholding all things by the word 0f his power?

Sorry, only God has the attribute of omnipresence!

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Do you limit him to being in the flesh before he offered his body to the death of the cross?

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Response – Yep just like the scripture says. Through the death of one man salvation came into the world. Not through the death of one hybrid godman.

Yes of course he is just flesh and blood to you, he is not the eternal Spirit that fills all things!

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Jesus is not here in the flesh anymore martian!

Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,03:27)

Response – So what. We will also not be in the flesh after we die or are in glorified bodies. That does not make us or Jesus deity.

Yes but our Spirits will not fill all things including the Body of Christ will it?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,05:40)

Was Jesus just flesh or was he Spirit and flesh?

Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,03:27)

Response – Jesus possessed body/flesh soul and human spirit just like us. He also had the Spirit of God dwelling in him just like those of us that are Spirit filled.  Still does not make him deity.

Jesus possesed? Or Jesus is Spirit/soul who lives in a flesh tent or body?

Seriously, Trinity aside, how can you view the image of the invisible God as anything less than God who has come in the flesh?

You still havnt answered these questions?

Eph 1:23
which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

Col 3:11
Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

Col 1:17
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Heb 1:3
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Math 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

(Bearing the worlds cares and burdens all at the same time wherever they go)

Matt 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

(Jesus with every believer all at the same time, wherever they go. Notice it says “I am with you”.)

Jn 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

(The Father and the Son living with the believers all at the same time, wherever they go)

Tell me martian, how can Jesus fulfill all those scriptures above if he is a mere man and not omnipresent like the Father?

Yes Jesus litterally does walk with us and live in us…

2 Cor 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
You love confusion because behind that smokescreen you can concoct your trinity God
which you present as the answer to what you yourself have created.
Sorry but the dead horse you whip is starting to stink.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,07:24)

Hi WJ, You need to decide whether the man Jesus Christ was God Or as scripture says God was in him. Otherwise you make God a MAN Rom1 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

NH

No you need to decide whether it was God that came in the flesh or not, or was he just a miracle child born of a virgin as a mere man like you and I.

Jesus is not just flesh. The Spirit of Jesus is God as scriptures clearly teach. The Body that Jesus lived in was a tent, temple!

The Body without the Spirit is dead!

[NickHassan]

Hi Wj,
God indeed came in the flesh of His Son, Jesus Christ.
But Jesus was not that God within him.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,07:27)

Hi WJ, You say “Neither does the Father do anything apart from the Son.” Do you have scripture to support this?

NH

Jn 16:15
All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Can you give me a scripture that says the Father did anything seperate from the Son since it was by him and for him all things were made and without him was not anything made that was made?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2008,07:39)

Hi WJ You say “If your image of Yeshua is less than God, then you make the image of the invisible God less than God!” Ummm So what? You are made in the image of God and no one here thinks that makes you God.

NH

If I am made in the “Image of God” how can that be since the Father is purely Spirit.

You see I cant be made in the image of God apart from the Son who is “The image of the invisible God”.

Can you show me a scripture that says Yeshua was made in the image of God?

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