The Trinity Doctrine

[martian]

Wj has several times used “600” scholars argument to support his theories. The following men are also well known scholars.

Gerhard Kittel came from a very prestigious and scholarly family. Kittel was a professor of New Testament theology and a leading scholar in the field of Judaism and its relation to early Christianity.

Paul Althaus was a prominent Luther scholar who exhibited to the world a warm humane personality. He was a prominent university professor.

Emanuel Hirsch was arguably the most prominent scholar in his country during the early 20th century.

All these man supported the rise of Adolf Hitler.

A certain priest called Father Bernhard Stempfle is credited with having helped editing Mein Kampf during his imprisoned days in the state prison at Landsberg am Lech together with Hitler

Methodist Bishop F. H. Otto Melle took a collaborationist position that included apparently sincere support for Nazism. He felt that serving the Reich was both a patriotic duty and a means of advancement. To show his gratitude, Hitler made a gift of 10,000 marks in 1939 to a Methodist congregation to purchase an organ.

Quotes from publications in Germany —

A state that once again rules in God's name can count not only on our applause but also on enthusiastic and active cooperation from the church. With joy and thanks we see how this new state rejects blasphemy, attacks immorality, promotes discipline and order with a firm hand, demands awe before God, works to keep marriage sacred and our youth spiritually instructed, brings honor back to fathers of families, ensures that love of people and fatherland is no longer mocked, but burns in a thousand hearts. …We can only plead with our fellow worshipers to do an they can to help these new productive forces in our land reach a complete and unimpeded victory.

–Easter Sunday Blessing from Protestant Pastors in Bavaria, April 16, 1933

I wish to express my church's] sincere and joyous preparedness to cooperate as best they could with the government now ruling that had set itself that tasks of promoting the Christian education of the people, repelling ungodliness and immorality, developing readiness to make sacrifices for the common good and protecting the rights of the Church.

–Cardinal Adolf Bertram, Archbishop of Breslau, letter to Adolf Hitler following the announcement of the Concordat between Nazi Germany and the Vatican, July 22, 1933

What the old parliament and parties did not accomplish in sixty years, your statesmanlike foresight has achieved in six months. For Germany's prestige in East and West and before the whole world this handshake with the Papacy, the greatest moral power in the history of the world, is a feat of immeasurable blessing. …May God preserve the Reich Chancellor for our people.

–Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber of Bavaria, praising Adolf Hitler for the Concordat, July 24, 1933

In this way the Catholics will profess again their loyalty to people and Fatherland and their agreement with the farsighted and forceful efforts of the Führer to spare the German people the terror of war and Bolshevism, to secure public order and create work for the unemployed.

–Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber of Bavaria, encouraging German Catholics to vote “yes” in the upcoming plebiscite to re-elect Hitler and support his decision to withdraw from the League of Nations, November 10, 1933

[Adolf Hitler is] the tool of God, called upon to overcome Judaism…

–Father Senn, a Catholic priest, writing in a Catholic publication, May 15, 1934

Any amount of scholars can be fooled. Christian scholars have supported such things a papal authority, the priesthood, the inquisition and many other atrocities in our world.

[acertainchap]

Quote (acertainchap @ Jan. 16 2008,00:17)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2008,19:04) ALL (THINGS) THROUGH HIM CAME TO BE, AND APART FROM HIM 3956 1223 0846_3 1096 2532 5565 0846_3 egeneto oude hen CAME TO BE NOT BUT ONE (THING). 1096 3761 1520 ho gegonen WHICH HAS COME TO BE 3739 1096 Notice the… AND APART FROM HIM 3956 1223 0846_3 1096 2532 5565 0846_3 egeneto oude hen CAME TO BE NOT BUT ONE (THING). 1096 3761 1520 ho gegonen WHICH HAS COME TO BE 3739 1096

What are all those numbers about and for? Maybe ronday888 can answer my question.

P.S. 1000th post!!! ^^

[martian]

Quote (acertainchap @ Jan. 16 2008,00:17)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2008,19:04) ALL (THINGS) THROUGH HIM CAME TO BE, AND APART FROM HIM 3956 1223 0846_3 1096 2532 5565 0846_3 egeneto oude hen CAME TO BE NOT BUT ONE (THING). 1096 3761 1520 ho gegonen WHICH HAS COME TO BE 3739 1096 Notice the… AND APART FROM HIM 3956 1223 0846_3 1096 2532 5565 0846_3 egeneto oude hen CAME TO BE NOT BUT ONE (THING). 1096 3761 1520 ho gegonen WHICH HAS COME TO BE 3739 1096 What are all those numbers about and for?

Generally the numbers indicate the Strongs concordance number for that particular word. This help to cross reference the words in the concordance and other reference works that are keys to the strongs.

In other words their may be 5 different Greek or Hebrew words translated into the English word faith. This tells you what the original specific word is.

[ronday888]

Quote (acertainchap @ Jan. 15 2008,23:19)

Quote (acertainchap @ Jan. 16 2008,00:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2008,19:04) ALL (THINGS) THROUGH HIM CAME TO BE, AND APART FROM HIM 3956 1223 0846_3 1096 2532 5565 0846_3 egeneto oude hen CAME TO BE NOT BUT ONE (THING). 1096 3761 1520 ho gegonen WHICH HAS COME TO BE 3739 1096 Notice the… AND APART FROM HIM 3956 1223 0846_3 1096 2532 5565 0846_3 egeneto oude hen CAME TO BE NOT BUT ONE (THING). 1096 3761 1520 ho gegonen WHICH HAS COME TO BE 3739 1096 What are all those numbers about and for? Maybe ronday888 can answer my question.

The numbers in the Westcott & Hort Interlinear are the numbers that Strong assigned to the Greek words.

An online version of the Westcott & Hort Interlinear is found at:
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm

The online version adds the KJV to the right of the interlinear version.

Ronald

[acertainchap]

Oh I see. Thank you both for your help.

[kenrch]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 15 2008,19:31)

Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 15 2008,17:06) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 15 2008,16:51) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 15 2008,13:18) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 15 2008,12:30) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 15 2008,12:25) Now for the first time God had a Son… What about Adam? Adam was not born! Luke 3:38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. I believe that these men were call the sons of God because they sought God. Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. Nevertheless, he is still called a son of God. So is he the first if Jesus became the son of God approx 2000 years ago?

So are all the angels! Nevertheless that is!

[Son of Light]

Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 16 2008,06:37)

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 15 2008,19:31) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 15 2008,17:06) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 15 2008,16:51) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 15 2008,13:18) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 15 2008,12:30) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 15 2008,12:25) Now for the first time God had a Son… What about Adam? Adam was not born! Luke 3:38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. I believe that these men were call the sons of God because they sought God. Gen 4:25  And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. Gen 4:26  And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. Nevertheless, he is still called a son of God. So is he the first if Jesus became the son of God approx 2000 years ago? So are all the angels!  Nevertheless that is!

We are all sons. Sons of light or Sons of darkness.

We were formed physically by angels in this world, but we can be adopted by the Most High through our spirit.

The angels couldnt form that, but they trapped spirit in matter while making us.

The spirit inside us cries out “Abba”, to be reunited with our source the The Father of all spirit, The Most High God.

[kenrch]

Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 16 2008,06:50)

Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 16 2008,06:37) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 15 2008,19:31) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 15 2008,17:06) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 15 2008,16:51) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 15 2008,13:18) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 15 2008,12:30) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 15 2008,12:25) Now for the first time God had a Son… What about Adam? Adam was not born! Luke 3:38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. I believe that these men were call the sons of God because they sought God. Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. Nevertheless, he is still called a son of God. So is he the first if Jesus became the son of God approx 2000 years ago? So are all the angels! Nevertheless that is! We are all sons. Sons of light or Sons of darkness. We were formed physically by angels in this world, but we can be adopted by the Most High through our spirit. The angels couldnt form that, but they trapped spirit in matter while making us. The spirit inside us cries out “Abba”, to be reunited with our source the The Father of all spirit, The Most High God.

Then again did the angels force us into flesh?

Did we who must have been spirit just decide to enter the flesh?

Were we the spirit beings tempted into the flesh?

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

[Worshipping Jesus]

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Wj has several times used “600” scholars argument to support his theories. The following men are also well known scholars. Gerhard Kittel came from a very prestigious and scholarly family.   Kittel was a professor of New Testament theology and a leading scholar in the field of Judaism and its relation to early Christianity. Paul Althaus was a prominent Luther scholar who exhibited to the world a warm humane personality.  He was a prominent university professor.       Emanuel Hirsch was arguably the most prominent scholar in his country during the early 20th century. All these man supported the rise of Adolf Hitler.

Were they Greek scholars and translated the scriptures? What is your point and what do they have to do with the Greek text?

You are starting to sound like Tow, he believes that Christians and the NT scriptures are responsible for Adolph Hitler killing the Jews.

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A certain priest called Father Bernhard Stempfle is credited with having helped editing Mein Kampf during his imprisoned days in the state prison at Landsberg am Lech together with Hitler Methodist Bishop F. H. Otto Melle took a collaborationist position that included apparently sincere support for Nazism. He felt that serving the Reich was both a patriotic duty and a means of advancement. To show his gratitude, Hitler made a gift of 10,000 marks in 1939 to a Methodist congregation to purchase an organ. Quotes from publications in Germany —

Again, what does these men have to do with the translation of the Greek text?

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A state that once again rules in God's name can count not only on our applause but also on enthusiastic and active cooperation from the church. With joy and thanks we see how this new state rejects blasphemy, attacks immorality, promotes discipline and order with a firm hand, demands awe before God, works to keep marriage sacred and our youth spiritually instructed, brings honor back to fathers of families, ensures that love of people and fatherland is no longer mocked, but burns in a thousand hearts. …We can only plead with our fellow worshipers to do an they can to help these new productive forces in our land reach a complete and unimpeded victory. – Easter Sunday Blessing from Protestant Pastors in Bavaria, April 16, 1933

Is this going somewhere?

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I wish to express my church's] sincere and joyous preparedness to cooperate as best they could with the government now ruling that had set itself that tasks of promoting the Christian education of the people, repelling ungodliness and immorality, developing readiness to make sacrifices for the common good and protecting the rights of the Church. – Cardinal Adolf Bertram, Archbishop of Breslau, letter to Adolf Hitler following the announcement of the Concordat between Nazi Germany and the Vatican, July 22, 1933 What the old parliament and parties did not accomplish in sixty years, your statesmanlike foresight has achieved in six months. For Germany's prestige in East and West and before the whole world this handshake with the Papacy, the greatest moral power in the history of the world, is a feat of immeasurable blessing. …May God preserve the Reich Chancellor for our people. – Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber of Bavaria, praising Adolf Hitler for the Concordat, July 24, 1933

Sheesh! This is getting boring!

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In this way the Catholics will profess again their loyalty to people and Fatherland and their agreement with the farsighted and forceful efforts of the Führer to spare the German people the terror of war and Bolshevism, to secure public order and create work for the unemployed. – Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber of Bavaria, encouraging German Catholics to vote “yes” in the upcoming plebiscite to re-elect Hitler and support his decision to withdraw from the League of Nations, November 10, 1933

Still don’t get the point!

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[Adolf Hitler is] the tool of God, called upon to overcome Judaism… – Father Senn, a Catholic priest, writing in a Catholic publication, May 15, 1934

So are you under the opinion that the NT scriptures and Christians are responsible for the Holocaust?

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Any amount of scholars can be fooled. Christian scholars have supported such things a papal authority, the priesthood, the inquisition and many other atrocities in our world.

You are kidding. All that for this? What in the world does those scholars have to do with interpreting scriptures.

I might understand your beef if you were talking about the KJV. However all the modern translations mentioned that over 600 scholars translated agree with the KJV on the text in discussion here, and they had nothing to do with the RCC.

Why don’t you give us some proof of bias or intentional sabotage of the Greek text by the translators and you might have something.

Or maybe you should become a Greek scholar yourself, then you can write your own Bible. Until then, you should not attempt to change what we have.

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
But where is the trinity taught in any bible?
As it is not why do you?

[Proclaimer]

The Trinity is a doctrine that is found outside of the Old and New Testaments.
Best thing WJ is to just admit that to be the case.

No need for pretending. We are beyond being swayed into the mysterious Trinity Doctrine.

Might as well just admit that some people will never accept it because it is not written.

[Proclaimer]

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P.S. 1000th post!!! ^^

Congrats on your 1000th post.

You have now received a complimentary prize.

Your next 1000 posts are free.

[seek and you will find]

t8 It was not Chap that reached the 1000 page, it was W.J.

But I think Chap deserves more then the next 1000 pages right. Oh, so does W.J. right?

Peace and Love IM4Truth

[Proclaimer]

Actually I think he was talking about his own 1000th post.

And it was the 10000 post in this discussion that WJ probably had the honour of having. There wasn't a prize for that one, but he can have the next 10000 posts for free.

[ronday888]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2008,14:04)

Ron Your post simply skirts around Jn 1:3 and Heb 1:10 and Col 1:16. I repeat…If we compare Heb 1:10 with John 1:3 then it gives us a clear picture of who Yeshua is. Unless you believe in another creator than YHWH!

As I have shown from the scriptures, Yahweh is the Creator; jesus is the agent in creation. There is no other creator than Yahweh.

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NIV – Jhn 1:3 – Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. New International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society

Precisely, through the Logos, God, whom the Logos was with in the beginning spoken of in John 1:1, created the all that is being spoken of.

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Let me repeat this part… without him *nothing was made* that has been made. without him *nothing was made* that has been made. without him *nothing was made* that has been made. This is plain english and is how over 600 scholars translated it.

In context, as I have already shown from the scritures.

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Here Ill use your litterall translation… John 1:3 panta di autou egeneto kai chwris autou ALL (THINGS) THROUGH HIM CAME TO BE, AND APART FROM HIM 3956 1223 0846_3 1096 2532 5565 0846_3 egeneto oude hen CAME TO BE NOT BUT ONE (THING). 1096 3761 1520 ho gegonen WHICH HAS COME TO BE 3739 1096 Notice the… AND APART FROM HIM 3956 1223 0846_3 1096 2532 5565 0846_3 egeneto oude hen CAME TO BE NOT BUT ONE (THING). 1096 3761 1520 ho gegonen WHICH HAS COME TO BE 3739 1096 So how do you get just man or dirt from that?

The above is form the Westcott & Hort Interlinear; my literal rendering, as I gave earlier on page 1004, is: All [Greek, panta, Strong's #3956] came to be through [Greek, di, Strong's #1223] him, and apart from him not [Greek, oude, Strong's #3956] one came to be.

He said to them, “Go into all the world [Strong's #2889, a form of kosmos], and preach the gospel to the whole creation.”

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2889

Let me ask:

What is the “whole creation” [Greek transliteration: pasee tee ktisei, literally, all the creation] spoken of in Mark 16:15? Note “pasee” is a form of pas, Strong's 3956.
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3956

Are we to understand that the “whole creation” — all the creation — spoken of in Mark 16:15 includes all of the angels, or even all the animals upon the earth? Does it include all of the trees, every blade of grass, etc.? The evidence of its usage indicates that “all creation” is being used to refer to mankind only. We need to recognize the common evidence of usage related to what is being spoken of.

Again, the forms of the same words appear in Romans 8:22:

For we know that the whole creation [literally, all the world] groans and travails in pain together until now.

Is context, Paul is speaking about the creation that has been made subject to a bondage of corruption. Was Paul saying that God has subjected absolutely everything that he has created to a bondage of corruption, so that absolutely everything that God has created is groaning and travailing in pain, including the faithful angels in heaven? I don't think so; the evidence shows that Paul is speaking of all the creation as being the human creation, not absolutely every thing that God has created.

I have already pointed to many parallel scriptures related to the forum of usage similar to John 1:3,10, such as Hebrews 2:8 with Psalm 8:5-8, and no response has been given. I can assume that in responding all the scriptural evidence I am giving is being totally ignored, as well as the context of John 1:3. I have not seen any rebuttal to the evidence I have given.

I suggest that one go back and read the scriptural evidence I have given. However, I will elaborate a little more here.

The true light that enlightens everyone was coming into the world [literally, every {panta, Strong's 3956, this is the same word used in John 1:3} man {anthrwpon, Strong's #444} coming into the world]. He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world didn't recognize him. — John 1:9,10, World English Bible translation.

In John 1:10, we are told what it is that is being spoken of as made “through” Jesus: “*the world* was made through him.” This is the same “world” that is being spoken of in John 17:5. But question is, what is included in the “world” being spoken of? In the same verse (John 1:10) we are told that this world did not recognize the Logos when the Logos came into the world being spoken of. It should be very obvious that the “world” being spoken of is the world of mankind, not that of the angels, or anywhere else, for the Logos did come into the world of the angels, nor was it the angels who did not recognize him. Even the demons recognized him. Thus it is speaking of the world of mankind.

It is necessary to realize how the word “world” as rendered from forms of the world “kosmos” are used in the New Testament. Are there any other usages of this word that indicate that it is being used only of the world of mankind, and not of the physical stars, planets, etc.? A thorough examination of the scriptures show that it is almost always used regarding the world of mankind.

Here are the usages of the words in Matthew (KJV):
http://tinyurl.com/34z4gm

I will examine a few scriptures in Matthew:

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them.

Does “all the kingdoms of the world” here mean absolute all the kingdoms in the all realms of existence? Absolutely not! It should be obvious that “world” is being used to speak of the world of mankind, and not of the angelic dominions.

Matthew 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

What “world” is being spoken of here? I don't think it includes the angels. Jesus is speaking of the world of mankind.

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

Does “whole world” here include the angels?

Since it is Jo
hn's writings that are being discussed, I will move on to the book of John. Here are the list of scriptures that contain forms of the word “kosmos”:

http://tinyurl.com/3x9g43

If you seriously analyze the scriptures, you should come to see that all the way through, “world” is referring to the world of mankind, not of the angels.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2008,14:04)

Jesus is not just some inactive funnel that God worked through.

I never said anything about Jesus as being some “inactive” funnel that God worked through.

I have already shown two trinitarian Greek scholars who tell us that John was saying that Jesus was the agent used by “God”. Most trinitarian Bible commentators skip of this part of the verse referring to his being used as agent. Matthew Henry, throws a trinitarian twist to it by saying:

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He was by him as one brought up with him for this service, Prov. 8:30. He was with God, and therefore is said to come forth from the Father. 3. His agency in making the world, v. 3. This is here, (1.) Expressly asserted: All things were made by him. He was with God, not only so as to be acquainted with the divine counsels from eternity, but to be active in the divine operations in the beginning of time. Then was I by him, Prov. 8:30. God made the world by a word (Ps. 33:6) and Christ was the Word. By him, not as a subordinate instrument, but as a co-ordinate agent, God made the world (Heb. 1:2). Henry, Matthew. “Commentary on John 1”. “Matthew Henry Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible”. .” target=”_blank”>http://bible.crosswalk.com/Comment….01>. 1706

Of course, Hebrews 1:2, where is it said that through Jesus the ages were made, is not speaking of exactly the same thing as John 1:3, but they are related. The “ages” in Hebrews 1:2, of course, do refer to the periods of time related to the world of mankind. Hebrews 1:2 is not speaking about the planets, stars, angels, etc.

The point, however, is that Henry does recognize that Jesus is the “agent”, although he would do away with Jesus being “subordinate” to God.

Barnes states concerning John 1:3 and several other scriptures:

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By this is meant, evidently, that he was the agent, or the efficient cause, by which the universe was made. Barnes, Albert. “Commentary on John 1”. “Barnes' Notes on the New Testament”. http://www.studylight.org/com/bnn/view.cgi?book=joh&chapter=001.

I don't remember ever reading one trinitarian Bible “Greek” scholar who would deny that Jesus is the agent, and that the Father is the source, in creation, although they usually fit this into their trinitarian dogma.

I will add a point about the question concerning “two creators”. I only believe that the only true God, the God and Father of the Lord Jesus is the Creator. If the Father is the Creator, and the Son is also the Creator, as is claimed by many trinitarians, then you have two creators. If you also claim that the Holy Spirit is another person who also “creator”, then you have three creators. It is only if the trinitarian would claim that Jesus is his God, and that Jesus is his Father, and that Jesus is the holy spirit of his God and Father (as do the oneness believers) that you would end up with one creator.

I will have to quit for tonight.

In service of Jesus and his God,
Ronald

[martian]

In discussions with other Christians, I have had to eat crow. I am sorry to say I am switching sides. I now know that God in his infinate wisdom and awsome Creation searched all the other inhabited planets and chose the extrterestrial Jesus to come to earth and be the Messiah. In order for us to fullfill what God has for us we must be transmutated into an alien to be like Jesus. Some have been taken up into space ships already and had the work done. Others will be beamed up at the out translation/rapture. After all we are to meet him in the air.Our bodies will be changed into the incorruptable heavenly alien bodies and forever we will beebop about the planets with Jesus in the Heavens.

What do you think of my theory? It has as much truth in it as the Trinity doctrine. So I ad a little bit to the scriptures — What's wrong with that? So I read my doctrine into what the scripture says — What's wrong with that? So I make our great example (Jesus) something other then a human — What's wrong with that? So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that?

This must be true, because I believe it and have faith in it. — What's wrong with that?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,01:17)

In discussions with other Christians, I have had to eat crow. I am sorry to say I am switching sides. I now know that God in his infinate wisdom and awsome Creation searched all the other inhabited planets and chose the extrterestrial Jesus to come to earth and be the Messiah. In order for us to fullfill what God has for us we must be transmutated into an alien to be like Jesus. Some have been taken up into space ships already and had the work done. Others will be beamed up at the out translation/rapture. After all we are to meet him in the air.Our bodies will be changed into the incorruptable heavenly alien bodies and forever we will beebop about the planets with Jesus in the Heavens. What do you think of my theory? It has as much truth in it as the Trinity doctrine. So I ad a little bit to the scriptures — What's wrong with that? So I read my doctrine into what the scripture says — What's wrong with that?  So I make our great example (Jesus) something other then a human — What's wrong with that?  So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? This must be true, because I believe it and have faith in it. — What's wrong with that?

martian

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So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that?

What are you saying?

That because God ask us to follow him and be like him that he is an evil task master?

You do follow God dont you?

You were and are being created in his image arent you?

Or do you just follow another man?

[martian]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,02:42)

Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,01:17) In discussions with other Christians, I have had to eat crow. I am sorry to say I am switching sides. I now know that God in his infinate wisdom and awsome Creation searched all the other inhabited planets and chose the extrterestrial Jesus to come to earth and be the Messiah. In order for us to fullfill what God has for us we must be transmutated into an alien to be like Jesus. Some have been taken up into space ships already and had the work done. Others will be beamed up at the out translation/rapture. After all we are to meet him in the air.Our bodies will be changed into the incorruptable heavenly alien bodies and forever we will beebop about the planets with Jesus in the Heavens. What do you think of my theory? It has as much truth in it as the Trinity doctrine. So I ad a little bit to the scriptures — What's wrong with that? So I read my doctrine into what the scripture says — What's wrong with that?  So I make our great example (Jesus) something other then a human — What's wrong with that?  So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? This must be true, because I believe it and have faith in it. — What's wrong with that? martian Quote So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? What are you saying? That because God ask us to follow him and be like him that he is an evil task master? You do follow God dont you? You were and are being created in his image arent you? Or do you just follow another man?

I no longer follow another human. I follow a non human just like you! I expect that the transmutation will have to take place. I will need to be made like my non human alien master to be like him. My nature and species will need to be changed.
You know you must need the same thing since you follow a non human messiah.

[martian]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,02:42)

Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,01:17) In discussions with other Christians, I have had to eat crow. I am sorry to say I am switching sides. I now know that God in his infinate wisdom and awsome Creation searched all the other inhabited planets and chose the extrterestrial Jesus to come to earth and be the Messiah. In order for us to fullfill what God has for us we must be transmutated into an alien to be like Jesus. Some have been taken up into space ships already and had the work done. Others will be beamed up at the out translation/rapture. After all we are to meet him in the air.Our bodies will be changed into the incorruptable heavenly alien bodies and forever we will beebop about the planets with Jesus in the Heavens. What do you think of my theory? It has as much truth in it as the Trinity doctrine. So I ad a little bit to the scriptures — What's wrong with that? So I read my doctrine into what the scripture says — What's wrong with that?  So I make our great example (Jesus) something other then a human — What's wrong with that?  So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? This must be true, because I believe it and have faith in it. — What's wrong with that? martian Quote So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? What are you saying? That because God ask us to follow him and be like him that he is an evil task master? You do follow God dont you? You were and are being created in his image arent you? Or do you just follow another man?

An evil task master because God expects us to imulate and be like a bing that cannot be tempted or fail or sin. Be like a being that cannot suffer the first death of the mortal body. Be like a being that has all power resident in him for all eternity.

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 17 2008,02:42)

Quote (martian @ Jan. 17 2008,01:17) In discussions with other Christians, I have had to eat crow. I am sorry to say I am switching sides. I now know that God in his infinate wisdom and awsome Creation searched all the other inhabited planets and chose the extrterestrial Jesus to come to earth and be the Messiah. In order for us to fullfill what God has for us we must be transmutated into an alien to be like Jesus. Some have been taken up into space ships already and had the work done. Others will be beamed up at the out translation/rapture. After all we are to meet him in the air.Our bodies will be changed into the incorruptable heavenly alien bodies and forever we will beebop about the planets with Jesus in the Heavens. What do you think of my theory? It has as much truth in it as the Trinity doctrine. So I ad a little bit to the scriptures — What's wrong with that? So I read my doctrine into what the scripture says — What's wrong with that?  So I make our great example (Jesus) something other then a human — What's wrong with that?  So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? This must be true, because I believe it and have faith in it. — What's wrong with that? martian Quote So I make God an unfair task master because he expects us to live up to the example of a God (Jesus) — What's wrong with that? What are you saying? That because God ask us to follow him and be like him that he is an evil task master? You do follow God dont you? You were and are being created in his image arent you? Or do you just follow another man?

Hi WJ,
We follow the man Jesus.
But you?

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