The Trinity Doctrine

[IM4Truth]

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 09 2007,01:11)

Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 08 2007,19:04) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 08 2007,14:09) [quote=IM4Truth,Dec. 08 2007,11:25]Yes of course he is not the Father. But he is everything that the Father is. Can you show differently? Quote W.J. Yes I can Ephesians 4:4-6 This is the scripture that proves the trinity Doctrine wrong. And others that say that the Father is greater then I from Jesus Himself. Peace and Love Mrs. Jesus is second in command in heaven and FOR NOW first in command of the new creation.  Jesus will choose who will be in the New Kingdom. Ken My Husband thinks that Jesus has alredy has selected his elect and is preparing them for the job ahead for them. To a certain degree I can understand that the elect will have to have some training, and since it is so lose to Jesus coming that could be so, what do you think about that? Peace and Love Mrs. I don't believe anyone knows for sure BUT it seems that it IS harvest time, NOT planting time.  This soil is not fertile.  Perhaps there is some wheat not quite in the garden that need to be harvested. As far as training I thought that's what the Millennium is about. They found Jesus' bones, Jesus was married and His daughter lives in France.   And now Jesus is not the “final” Messiah! Or even the Messiah at all!  I believe the end time has taken a giant leap forward! HIS will be done, Ken

Ken True the millenium is for teaching, but you have to have teachers to do so. Those my Husband thinks Christ has prepared ahead of time. Right or wrong in any event I agree we are close to Christ's return. So now we have to hang on cause the ride is going to get rough. It also shows us that God has called us and those that are truly have been called Jesus will not loose.( Jesus word) On that statement I will hang unto. Jesus is my shield. He will save me from all harm, I depend on Him. It really has helped that we have been living in the spirit for some time now and have overcome the world. We can consider our-self lucky. The word also says put on the whole armor of God. Study and pray and walk in the spirit and you will not sin.
Peace and Love Mrs.

[kenrch]

Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 09 2007,08:17)

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 09 2007,01:11) Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 08 2007,19:04) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 08 2007,14:09) [quote=IM4Truth,Dec. 08 2007,11:25]Yes of course he is not the Father. But he is everything that the Father is. Can you show differently? Quote W.J. Yes I can Ephesians 4:4-6 This is the scripture that proves the trinity Doctrine wrong. And others that say that the Father is greater then I from Jesus Himself. Peace and Love Mrs. Jesus is second in command in heaven and FOR NOW first in command of the new creation. Jesus will choose who will be in the New Kingdom. Ken My Husband thinks that Jesus has alredy has selected his elect and is preparing them for the job ahead for them. To a certain degree I can understand that the elect will have to have some training, and since it is so lose to Jesus coming that could be so, what do you think about that? Peace and Love Mrs. I don't believe anyone knows for sure BUT it seems that it IS harvest time, NOT planting time. This soil is not fertile. Perhaps there is some wheat not quite in the garden that need to be harvested. As far as training I thought that's what the Millennium is about. They found Jesus' bones, Jesus was married and His daughter lives in France. And now Jesus is not the “final” Messiah! Or even the Messiah at all! I believe the end time has taken a giant leap forward! HIS will be done, Ken Ken True the millenium is for teaching, but you have to have teachers to do so. Those my Husband thinks Christ has prepared ahead of time. Right or wrong in any event I agree we are close to Christ's return. So now we have to hang on cause the ride is going to get rough. It also shows us that God has called us and those that are truly have been called Jesus will not loose.( Jesus word) On that statement I will hang unto. Jesus is my shield. He will save me from all harm, I depend on Him. It really has helped that we have been living in the spirit for some time now and have overcome the world. We can consider our-self lucky. The word also says put on the whole armor of God. Study and pray and walk in the spirit and you will not sin. Peace and Love Mrs.

Amen Mrs!

[jhenTux]

I want to ask about this verse which is used by trinitarian to claim that Jesus is God:

8But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.

Jesus is a God?

[NickHassan]

Hi jh,
Would you argue with God?
But He is not the Almighty God Who says it.
Try Ps 97

[jhenTux]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 12 2007,12:24)

Hi jh, Would you argue with God? But He is not the Almighty God Who says it. Try Ps 97

so you're saying that Jesus is God, because God says it?

[NickHassan]

Hi JH,
He is not the God who said it.
Nor part of nor an aspect of that God.
He is the Son of that God.

[NickHassan]

Hi jh,
GOD is not a very useful term for our Father and that is why Jesus changed it.

In the bible the word has multiple uses and applications to stone or wood idols, angels, Satan, Jesus and even men occur.

[jhenTux]

hi Nick

yes I do believe in that. Jesus is the Son of God. but on the verse, why is the Son called GOD? kindly explain it to enlighten me.

[NickHassan]

Hi jh,
Why does Christ refer to men as gods?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (jhenTux @ Dec. 13 2007,14:44)

hi Nick yes I do believe in that. Jesus is the Son of God. but on the verse, why is the Son called GOD? kindly explain it to enlighten me.

jtux

Because Jesus is God, one with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Jn 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Many here believe men, and angels and idols are gods.

However scriptures tell us that there is only “One True God”, all others spoken of in the NT scriptures are the opposite or false gods or satan or the man of sin.

There is no scripture in the NT where the Apostles calls any being other than the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, God.

Thomas knew who he was…

Jn 20:
28 And Thomas answered and *said unto him*, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Paul knew who he was..

Phil 2:6
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

1 Tim 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Yet Paul says…

1 Cor 8:4
Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one.

Phil 2:6 and 1 Tim 3:16 agrees with Jn 1:1

“The Word was with God and the Word was God”.

Paul knew Yeshua is the Lord from heaven 1 Cor 15:47, the Word/God in the flesh.

Paul looked for his appearing again…

Titus 2:
13 while we wait for the blessed hope–the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

No scripture says the Father is coming or appearing. Only Yeshua in the Glory of the Father. Heb 1:2,3 & Col 1:15,16

John further clarifies this “Oneness” in nature Yeshua has with the Father…

1 Jn 5:20
5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us insight to know him who is true, and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This one is the true God and eternal life.

Who is the “Eternal Life”? Yeshua!!! 1 Jn 1:1-2.

Truly there is only “One True God”, and that is the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Jn 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me (God), Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father (God); and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father (God)?

This is why Yeshua is the only one to see the Father. Truly he is the only one to reveal God, because he is every thing God is, being revealed.

Keep seeking him for the truth friend and he will lead you and guide you into all truth for he is the truth. He says search the scriptures for they are they that testify of me, (Why didnt he say they testify of the Father here?), But you will not come to me (Why didnt he say you will not come to the Father through me?) that you might have life.

The scriptures are a biography of God and Yeshua takes claim to them.

And why not? After all, all things were made by him and for him and without him was not anything made that was made. Jn 1:3

He was in the world and the world was made by him and the world knew him not. Jn 1:10

Still there are many that dont know him and in that day he will say to them “Depart from me, for I never knew you”.

He is saying that while men call him “Lord” “Lord”, yet they never had an intimate relationship with him, thereby not knowing who he was and is.

[IM4Truth]

W.J. Ps. 82: 1 “ God (the Almighty God) standeth in the congregation of the mighty, he judges among the gods.”
v. 6 “ I have said, ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High,”
Today we no longer think of them as gods, if we work for them, we would call them Boss. And really that is what the word god stands for, a strong one, a powerful one, and a mighty one. Except when we speak of thee God in heaven, he is the Almighty God, the all-powerful one.
Ps. 86:8 “Among the gods there is none like unto thee O LORD…”
And just as all the gods had names, so did the Almighty God.
Ps. 83:18 “ That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most High over all the earth.”
Is. 42:8 “ I am the LORD (Jehovah): that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images”.
“Jehovah” is the name of the Almighty God, “Yahweh” in Hebrew. The name occurs 6823 times in the O.T., and yet in my bible, the King James, it is only written four times; other translation mentions the name at all. No wonder people think “God” is God’s name. There is a reason why God’s name was omitted. The “Scribes”, a Jewish religious sect, in charge of copying the scriptures, had such a reverence for the name, a fear of using the name in vain, they would not speak it or write it; and so they replaced the name Jehovah with “the LORD”, LORD in capital letters. So, where ever you read “the LORD”, you should know it should say, “Jehovah”
Why can nobody else call himself by that name? Because the definition of the name is;
The everlasting one;
The self-existing one;
The immortal one;
What this means is simply this; God’s existence depends on nothing and no one else; He has always existed, and he can never die, he is immortal, death is impossible. Paul tells us only God is immortal.
1 Tim. 1:17 “Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.”
1 Tim. 6:16 “Who only has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.”
The bible also speaks of only one God.
Ex. 8:10 “… know that there is none like unto the LORD (Jehovah) God.”
Deut. 4:35”…know that the LORD (Jehovah) he is God, there is none else beside him”.
Is. 40:13 “Who has directed the spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?”
v. 25 “ To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? Saith the Holy One “.
Is. 45:18 “For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he has established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.”
Is. 46:9 “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, there is none like me.”
Mark 12:32“…well, Master, thou has said the truth, for there is one God and there is none other but he.”
1 Cor. 8:4 “… and that there is none other God but one”.
v. 5 “ For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many “.)
v. 6 “ But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him”.
Why is it, that we have so many clear scriptures that teach us, there is only one God? And why are there no scriptures that clearly show God is a trinity? Because there are none, God is not the author of confusion.
1 Cor. 14:33 “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”
There is absolutely nothing in these scriptures above that indicates there are three persons. Infect they emphasize that Jehovah, the Father, is God. If Jesus was God, and equal to God, Is. 40:25 should not be in your bible, and Jesus should not be called his son. God has no equal.
History tells us, a triune god is nothing new. The Egyptians worshiped a triune god long before Christ; Osiris the father, Horus the son, and Ises the virgin. I find the resemblance to the present doctrine of the trinity very interesting, to say the least. India too, is worshiping a triad god, Siva, Brahma and Vishnu. So did the Babylonians, Ishtar, Sin and Shamash. Doesn’t that make you wonder at all? We read in,
1 John 4:12 “No one has seen God at any time…”
If Jesus were “God”, that scripture would not be true, especially since Jesus was the one that said it.
John 1:18 “No man hath seen God at any time…”
Paul says, whether we call someone else god, either in heaven or hear on earth, there is only one God, the Father, the Almighty God. Why do we call God, Father? The definition of the word is, life giver. All life begins with God, and that includes his son Jesus. Why is Jesus called the son? The son is he who receives life from the Father. That is why we read in;
John 3:16 “ For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son…”
v. 17 “ For God sent not his son into the world…”
God gave his son, God sent his son. In other words, Jesus did not become the Fathers son when he was born of Mary; he was his son long before then. After all, did he not create everything?
Col. 1:16 “ For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth…”
If Jesus had become a son when he was born of Mary; should not the Holy Spirit be his father?
Mat. 1:18 “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary
was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of
the Holy Ghost.”
You must have wondered about that yourself. Speaking of the Holy Spirit, is he God? Is he a person? Do we know his name? Does he have a name? I don’t mean “helper” or “comforter”; those are not names, that is what God’s Holy Spirit does, he helps us, and comforts us. Should it not surprise us that everything in the Universe has a name?
Ps. 147:4 “ He telleth the number of the stars, he calleth them all by their names”.
Except the one (person?), whom we credit with being most influential in our Christian life, the Holy Spirit? If the Holy Spirit was a person, was God, God would have made that very clear in scripture, and again, it would make the Holy Spirit another equal to God. This is only more confusion. Many will reason and say, Jesus spoke of the Holy Spirit as a “he”, that is prove of a person.
John 14:26 “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send, in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
If one little word, “he”, is prove that the Holy Spirit is a person, than the same must be said of another little word, “her”.
Mk. 13:28 “Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near.”
Now you may not find the word “her” in all translation, but it is in my bible, “The Ryrie Study Bible, King James version”. And even if it were present in every bible, no one would assume the fig tree was a woman.
There is not a single scripture that says, the Spirit is God, all scriptures say, the Spirit of God, God’s Holy Spirit, or the Spirit of the Lord. Never is the Spirit addressed in the way we address the Father or the Son; and both are called by their name, so why is the Holy Spirit never called by his name? He has no name; he does not exist, as a third person that is.
I have a question; who raised up Jesus from the dead, God, meaning the Father, or the Spirit?
Acts 13:30 “But God raised him from the dead.”
So, is Paul contradicting himself when he says in Romans it was the Spirit?
Rom. 8
:11 “But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.”
It was the Spirit OF God that raised up Jesus, not another person. God has a spirit, Christ has a spirit, Paul had a spirit, I have a spirit, you have a spirit, everybody has a spirit; we call it a mind. You never heard any one say; are you out of your spirit? Or, have you lost your spirit? Whether we call it spirit or mind, its all the same, the difference is; God’s Spirit is Holy, ours is not.
May I also bring to your attention that Paul’s letters, Peter’s and John’s, all start with, “Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ”, never a mentioning of the “Holy Spirit.” If I was the Holy Spirit I would feel left out, wouldn’t you?
Paul always gives thanks to the Father.
Rom. 1:8 “First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all…”
1 Cor. 1:4 “I thank my God always on your behalf…”
Phil. 1:3 “I thank my God upon every remembrance of you.”
Col. 1:3 “We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ…”
1Thes. 1:2 “We give thanks to God always for you all…”
My point is this; considering what the Holy Spirit does for us, would he not deserve some thanks too?
John says, if we abide in the doctrine of Christ we have both, the father and the Son; should we not have all three?
2 John 9 “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he has both the Father and the Son.”
v. 10 “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God’s speed.”
Very powerful words, should really make us think!
Why would we even think that our God, who is all wise and all-powerful, would need another person to do all his work? When God wants something done, all he has to do speak the word and it is done;
Ps. 33:9 “For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.”
Let me make another point.
Rev. 3:1 “And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; these things says he that has the seven Spirits of God…”
Why haven’t we heart about God’s seven Spirits? Are they all persons? Seven is God’s number of perfection. The seven Spirits of God only emphasize his perfect Holy Spirit. Paul says there is a spirit in man;
1 Cor. 2:11 “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which
is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”
This spirit in us, should we ask who is he? Or should we ask what is it? This spirit is our mind; it is what sets us apart from the animals. This mind enables us to learn how to read and write to calculate, to think, to plan and build, with it we make choices, all the things God does. That is the image of God, he has created us in, but it is not another person. We influence other people by example and by what we teach them. God influences us with his Holy Mind, his Holy Spirit. Paul writes to the Philippians;
Phil. 2:5 “ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.’
This mind that was in Jesus was the mind of God, Gods spirit, his Holy Spirit.
Why would Paul say?
Eph. 1:3 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ…”
Eph. 4:6 “ One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all”.
Col. 1:3 “We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ…”
And what else can this next scripture mean except what it says;
1 Cor. 15:28 “And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also
himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”
Some people think, God is to complicate to be understood, that’s because some people have made God to complicated to be understood. God in his word, the bible, has given us everything we need to know about him; if we go beyond that, its like going to the moon, trying to find out how life began.
Anyone that dares to tamper and distort these scriptures should keep in mind what Paul says in,
Gal. 1:9 “As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
Those who are our teachers should take this scripture very serious.

One of my Husbands articles.
Peace and Love Mrs.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Im4truth

Why dosnt your long explanation not mention any of the text that I show you. Are they not scriptures also?

Lots to respond to however I will for now respond to this…

You said…

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1 John 4:12  “No one has seen God at any time…” If Jesus were “God”, that scripture would not be true, especially since Jesus was the one that said it. John 1:18  “No man hath seen God at any time…”

I suppose then Jesus was lieing when he said…

Jn 6:46
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Jn 14:7
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father (God) also: and from henceforth ye know him (God) , and have seen him (God).

If the scriptures say that no man can see God and live, then according to the scripture above Yeshua is more than a man.

Yeshua is the express image of his person/substance/essence. Heb 1:3

Gods image can not be less than he is or it wouldnt be his image.

Again, Yeshua is all that God is, being revealed. No creature shall know or see anything about God but by Yeshua.

We have been made into his image and likeness, but we are not his express image.

You say…

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You must have wondered about that yourself. Speaking of the Holy Spirit, is he God? Is he a person? Do we know his name? Does he have a name? I don’t mean “helper” or “comforter”; those are not names, that is what God’s Holy Spirit does, he helps us, and comforts us. Should it not surprise us that everything in the Universe has a name?

Can you tell me the Fathers name? Its not YHWH. Thats the tetragamation. No one knows the name of the Father, and interestingly enough Yeshua dosnt even mention his name.

However he does mention his own name right next to the Father when he declares  the “Only True God”. is the Father and Yeshua in Jn 17:3, and says believing in him and the Father is Eternal Life.

Jn 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Again, this lines up perfectly with the following…

1 Jn 5:20 NET
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us insight to know him who is true, and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This one is the true God and eternal life.

And 1 Jn 1:1,2 confirms who this “Eternal life” spoken of in Jn 17:3 and 1 Jn 5:20 is.

As far as the Holy Spirit, Yeshua spoke of “Him” very plainly here…

Jn 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Cant be the Father…

[kenrch]

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I suppose then Jesus was lieing when he said…

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Since trinity is an unlawful addition to the revelation of scripture
how can you resolve your worries without reference to that evil theory?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 14 2007,04:52)

Quote I suppose then Jesus was lieing when he said… Mat 12:39  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

kenrch

Frist of all kenrch this thread is about the “Trinity”, so I will respond to you in the appropriate thread. “Three days and three nights”.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2007,05:45)

Hi WJ, Since trinity is an unlawful addition to the revelation of scripture how can you resolve your worries without reference to that evil theory?

NH

Can you give me a scripture that says the 'Trinity” is an unlawfull addition?

Maybe you can find a scripture that says Yeshua was born again at the Jordan while you are at it, or that he was a son before he was born a son, or that water baptism saves, or that Jesus was made or created before he came in the likeness of sinfull flesh, since these would be additions also.

Maybe you should consider your worries and inferences to those evil additions.

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
No there are no scriptural teachings that says trinity was added to scripture of course.

Is it a scriptural teaching? No.
So is it added to scripture? Yes.

Should we abide in the Word?
Yes.
Should we add to scripture?
No.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2007,06:32)

Hi WJ, No there are no scriptural teachings that says trinity was added to scripture of course. Is it a scriptural teaching? No. So is it added to scripture? Yes. Should we abide in the Word? Yes. Should we add to scripture? No.

NH

But you didnt mention your additions…

Maybe you can find a scripture that says Yeshua was born again at the Jordan while you are at it, or that he was a son before he was born a son, or that water baptism saves, or that Jesus was made or created before he came in the likeness of sinfull flesh, Or that Yeshua was a god who is no longer a god, since these would be additions also.

Maybe you should consider your worries and inferences to those evil additions.

You are being hypocritical if you say that you have not added to the scriptures your own inference when you believe the above.

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2007,06:17)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2007,05:45) Hi WJ, Since trinity is an unlawful addition to the revelation of scripture how can you resolve your worries without reference to that evil theory? NH Can you give me a scripture that says the 'Trinity” is an unlawfull addition? Maybe you can find a scripture that says Yeshua was born again at the Jordan while you are at it, or that he was a son before he was born a son, or that water baptism saves, or that Jesus was made or created before he came in the likeness of sinfull flesh, since these would be additions also. Maybe you should consider your worries and inferences to those evil additions.

Hi WJ,
No trinity is taught in scripture so this thread is about a humanly inspired mythical addition to the precious words of God.

The Son of God was sent into the world.
Thus the Son of God existed before he was sent.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Most believers have grown up with trinity teaching and have no other concept of God. They are fearful to question what has been handed down for generations as 'truth'. However if we accept that scripture is the judge of truth then honest seekers will check all their doctrines against scripture to prove their veracity. If they do they will eventually have to confront the facts on this matter.

THERE IS NO TRINITY TAUGHT IN SCRIPTURE

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