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Quote (t8 @ Dec. 07 2007,14:26) Well if a man is shown truth and scripture and continues to teach falsely or even another gospel, then you do not have many choices as to why. - Either he is knowingly teaching falsely
- He is doing it in ignorance and has ignored anything God is saying to the contrary.
- He is blinded by pride.
I personally do not think he is the first option as bad as that is, but the other options are not good either. But they are better than the first one at least. So I am really giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Feel free to add another option, but remember that God Spirit leads me into ALL truth and as followers we should respect scripture and we should also rebuke false teachers.
Teachers are judged all the more strictly because they can have a big impact on a persons life. I personally do not think that teaching a false doctrine is to be tolerated.
At this stage it is not a matter of searching or is this right or not. Regarding God being one, we have been through every possibility for years now. We have heard every argument, and there comes a time when you just have to call a false teaching for what it is if we are to move on. Otherwise we could just argue the Trinity till we all die whilst respecting each others opinions. But the apostles didn't behave this way nor did Jesus.
After a time, Jesus rebuked the Pharisees. He let them have their say for some time. Then he rebuked them.
I gotcha t8.Like I said only God knows which category he falls under.
It is hard for me to understand why he holds his trinity doctrine as well. After all he seems a very intelligent person and for me though I don't discredit the spirit, I feel any scholarly approach to scriptures will reveal the trinity is false. Which this theory is proven over and over by secular biblical scholars.
The only biblical scholars who maintain the trinity belief, that I am aware of, are those personally attached to an organization or denomination that pays them or from which they claim membership.
That being said I have personal family members who believe the Trinity strongly and bristle at even the slightest comment I make to the contrary about it. I personally know they love God and are sincere.
I am quite sure the earliest Christians who had no bible ran around praising God for messiah while many being completely confused about his “exact” nature.
Only WJ knows if he truly feels he is being sincere. Maybe, he is.
The reason I say this is because, for example, if Nick brings to question my integrity over a view I have, only I know if I am being honest with myself. And I AM! So I KNOW Nick is not correct when he says I am ignoring the Truth!
I might be wrong, but I am not ignoring anything. Maybe I am not as smart as Nick or maybe I am young in the spirit or maybe I was dropped on my head as a baby, but I am not being dishonest.
That is why I show mercy and withold judgement.
It is in WJs hands.
Hi MS,
If only sincerity saved.
Scripture does not say so.
Servants obeytheir master.
They teach only what is written.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 07 2007,16:13) Hi MS,
If only sincerity saved.
Scripture does not say so.
Servants obeytheir master.
They teach only what is written.
abiding in Christ saves. as found in John 15Only Christ and each one of us, individually, knows the truth concerning this.
To state more goes beyond scripture as I know you are fond of saying.
Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 07 2007,15:37) God Spirit leads me into ALL truth
Just to be clear.That sentence is suppose to read:
God Spirit leads men into ALL truth.
However, as it stands with the spelling error, it is still correct.
Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 07 2007,15:37) It is hard for me to understand why he holds his trinity doctrine as well. After all he seems a very intelligent person and for me though I don't discredit the spirit, I feel any scholarly approach to scriptures will reveal the trinity is false. Which this theory is proven over and over by secular biblical scholars.
Hi Morningstar.Peace to you.
Intelligence can lead to pride and pride leads to arrogance, and arrogance leads to ignorance.
So intelligence can lead to ignorance.
Ironic isn't it. But many things that are of the truth are ironic, such as you must die in order to live.
The wicked will also not understand. (NOTE: This is a general statement and not aimed at anyone in particular).
Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 07 2007,15:37) I gotcha t8. Like I said only God knows which category he falls under.
It is hard for me to understand why he holds his trinity doctrine as well. After all he seems a very intelligent person and for me though I don't discredit the spirit, I feel any scholarly approach to scriptures will reveal the trinity is false. Which this theory is proven over and over by secular biblical scholars.
The only biblical scholars who maintain the trinity belief, that I am aware of, are those personally attached to an organization or denomination that pays them or from which they claim membership.
That being said I have personal family members who believe the Trinity strongly and bristle at even the slightest comment I make to the contrary about it. I personally know they love God and are sincere.
I am quite sure the earliest Christians who had no bible ran around praising God for messiah while many being completely confused about his “exact” nature.
Only WJ knows if he truly feels he is being sincere. Maybe, he is.
The reason I say this is because, for example, if Nick brings to question my integrity over a view I have, only I know if I am being honest with myself. And I AM! So I KNOW Nick is not correct when he says I am ignoring the Truth!
I might be wrong, but I am not ignoring anything. Maybe I am not as smart as Nick or maybe I am young in the spirit or maybe I was dropped on my head as a baby, but I am not being dishonest.
That is why I show mercy and withold judgement.
It is in WJs hands.
That is fair enough Morningstar.If you are being honest, then who am I to argue.
Honesty is honourable and we are all in a process of learning.
That said, I enjoy reading your posts.
I don't read all of them, and may not agree with everything you have said, but being honest and seeking the truth is good and can only lead you to green pastures.
Peace in Yeshua.
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[quote=WorshippingJesus,Dec. 07 2007,10:39]t8You said…
QuoteJesus just happens to be the IMAGE of the invisible God.
He is not the God that he is the image of.Is the Father God of his own Image?
How foolish to think that the Image of God is less than himself.
If his image is a lessor being than himself, then it wouldnt be his image would it?
t8
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Now you have really done it.Done what? Angered you? Sorry. Is there something wrong with my question?
Can God be greater than his Express Image? Or Ill rephraise it..
Can the express Image of God be less than he is?You say…
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I mention that he is the image of God and then you go on about the image being the equal of the original an assumption on your behalf.Is it? Maybe you can tell me in what way Yeshua is different in nature than the Father?
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First off, you have just admitted that he is not the original God.Yes of course he is not the Father. But he is everything that the Father is. Can you show differently?
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You talk of God and his image.
Thank you for admitting this.What is different about God and his express image? Again is he the God of his Image?
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Progress is being made, even if you consider it a slip up by yourself.No slip up here! I know in whom I have believed! So I do not have to resort to patronizing and condemning the heart of another who dosnt agree with me. My faith is secure.
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Also, an image can reflect in full, but it is still not that which it reflects. And images are not the source.Can you seperate God from his Image?
You are talking about reflecting an infinite God in full. Have you thought about what that means?
Yeshua is the Image of all that God is because he is all that God is. Yeshua is not a mirror image of God. Mirrors have dead reflections.
Can you show me where this is not so?
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Get it now?I doubt it, but no harm in asking aye!
No. I dont get it the way you do. More to come tommorrow!
Quote (kejonn @ Dec. 07 2007,13:34) Just curious, but if I make a date with someone and sent an image of myself, do you think I would get another date? Or how about I send an image of myself to work tomorrow. That would be nice. they might just send me an image of my paycheck at the end of the month along with a very legitimate (not an image) pink slip.
kejonnGood points. You cant seperate your image from yourself.
Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 07 2007,16:28) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 07 2007,16:13) Hi MS,
If only sincerity saved.
Scripture does not say so.
Servants obeytheir master.
They teach only what is written.
abiding in Christ saves. as found in John 15Only Christ and each one of us, individually, knows the truth concerning this.
To state more goes beyond scripture as I know you are fond of saying.
Hi MS,
Christ is not divided
and opinions divide
while truth unites.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 07 2007,19:14) Done what? Angered you? Sorry. Is there something wrong with my question?
Not anger.“You have really put your foot in your mouth”, is the meaning.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 07 2007,19:14) Can the express Image of God be less than he is?
There you go again. Admitting that God is a he and his image is another.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 07 2007,19:14) You are talking about reflecting an infinite God in full. Have you thought about what that means?
Yes. The infinite God is love, he is holy, glorious etc. Christ reflects God's character and nature visibly and in bodily form.Christ's body isn't eternal or all present like God who is Spirit, (he is a visible being) but we see what God is like when we look into the face of Christ.
2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 07 2007,19:14) What is different about God and his express image? Again is he the God of his Image?
Here's one.God is the source and his image the recipient.
In otherwords the image of God isn't the original source of all things.
Pretty simple stuff WJ.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 07 2007,19:14) Can you seperate God from his Image? You are talking about reflecting an infinite God in full. Have you thought about what that means?
Yeshua is the Image of all that God is because he is all that God is. Yeshua is not a mirror image of God. Mirrors have dead reflections.
Can you show me where this is not so?
Not sure what you are saying here, but remember that we are created in the image of God. That might help you answer your own question.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 07 2007,19:14) Can you seperate God from his Image?
Matthew 27:46
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”—which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”I should also mention that the image of man is woman.
Can they be separated?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 07 2007,19:14) No. I dont get it the way you do. More to come tommorrow!
No surprises there.In that case, I would strongly suggest that you repent from teaching. If you cannot understand these things, then what business do you have of teaching.
I don't see you persuading anyone, but at least do it for yourself. You are accountable for what you teach and you will give an account for it too.
Make that day a better one for yourself.
Yes of course he is not the Father. But he is everything that the Father is. Can you show differently?
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W.J. Yes I can Ephesians 4:4-6
This is the scripture that proves the trinity Doctrine wrong. And others that say that the Father is greater then I from Jesus Himself.Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 08 2007,11:25) Yes of course he is not the Father. But he is everything that the Father is. Can you show differently?
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W.J. Yes I can Ephesians 4:4-6
This is the scripture that proves the trinity Doctrine wrong. And others that say that the Father is greater then I from Jesus Himself.Peace and Love Mrs.
Jesus is second in command in heaven and FOR NOW first in command of the new creation. Jesus will choose who will be in the New Kingdom.Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 08 2007,14:09) [quote=IM4Truth,Dec. 08 2007,11:25]Yes of course he is not the Father. But he is everything that the Father is. Can you show differently? Quote
W.J. Yes I can Ephesians 4:4-6
This is the scripture that proves the trinity Doctrine wrong. And others that say that the Father is greater then I from Jesus Himself.Peace and Love Mrs.
Jesus is second in command in heaven and FOR NOW first in command of the new creation. Jesus will choose who will be in the New Kingdom.
Ken My Husband thinks that Jesus has alredy has selected his elect and is preparing them for the job ahead for them. To a certain degree I can understand that the elect will have to have some training, and since it is so lose to Jesus coming that could be so, what do you think about that?Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 08 2007,19:04) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 08 2007,14:09) [quote=IM4Truth,Dec. 08 2007,11:25]Yes of course he is not the Father. But he is everything that the Father is. Can you show differently? Quote
W.J. Yes I can Ephesians 4:4-6
This is the scripture that proves the trinity Doctrine wrong. And others that say that the Father is greater then I from Jesus Himself.Peace and Love Mrs.
Jesus is second in command in heaven and FOR NOW first in command of the new creation. Jesus will choose who will be in the New Kingdom.
Ken My Husband thinks that Jesus has alredy has selected his elect and is preparing them for the job ahead for them. To a certain degree I can understand that the elect will have to have some training, and since it is so lose to Jesus coming that could be so, what do you think about that?Peace and Love Mrs.
I don't believe anyone knows for sure BUT it seems that it IS harvest time, NOT planting time. This soil is not fertile. Perhaps there is some wheat not quite in the garden that need to be harvested.As far as training I thought that's what the Millennium is about.
They found Jesus' bones, Jesus was married and His daughter lives in France.
And now Jesus is not the “final” Messiah! Or even the Messiah at all! I believe the end time has taken a giant leap forward!
HIS will be done,
Ken
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