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Morningstar I have a conflict with this. I am not so sure if it is alright to worship Jesus. Knowing that the Father is greater then the Son. Should there not be more Honor be given to the Father. I we worship both there is no difference. Just my thinking. I always pray through Jesus when i approach the Fathers Throne, since He is our Mediator that is the only way we can do so, God cannot look on Sin and Sinners we are. Getting to tired now so for tonight. Good night
Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 04 2007,19:47) Morningstar I have a conflict with this. I am not so sure if it is alright to worship Jesus. Knowing that the Father is greater then the Son. Should there not be more Honor be given to the Father. I we worship both there is no difference. Just my thinking. I always pray through Jesus when i approach the Fathers Throne, since He is our Mediator that is the only way we can do so, God cannot look on Sin and Sinners we are. Getting to tired now so for tonight. Good night Peace and Love Mrs.
I deffinately agree with you to a large extent.I find some Christians, especially evangelicals almost forget Jesus has a Father. It basically is a result of believing the Trinity as it is taught today. To them essentially, in practice, Jesus is his own Father.
Jesus points towards his Father for worship, however, the Father clearly enjoys his son receiving worship.
He even demanded that all angels worship him. Currently we are even lower than the angels in nature.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 04 2007,18:24) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 04 2007,15:41) one Faher of us allHi MS,
What is plain from the OT and the NT is that there is for us ONE GOD.
That God is not Jesus but he is the Son of God, our Lord.Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:Pr30
4Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Mk12
29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
32And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
Nick When you say one Lord, one Faith, one Baptism, one Father who is above and in us all. You say those scripture come out of Cointh. I find them in Ephesians 4:4-6. Is trhat not what you meant to say?Peace and Love Mrs.
Hi Im4,
Missed the words before the quoted scripture when copy/pasting. Thanks.Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 04 2007,19:56) Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 04 2007,19:47) Morningstar I have a conflict with this. I am not so sure if it is alright to worship Jesus. Knowing that the Father is greater then the Son. Should there not be more Honor be given to the Father. I we worship both there is no difference. Just my thinking. I always pray through Jesus when i approach the Fathers Throne, since He is our Mediator that is the only way we can do so, God cannot look on Sin and Sinners we are. Getting to tired now so for tonight. Good night Peace and Love Mrs.
I deffinately agree with you to a large extent.I find some Christians, especially evangelicals almost forget Jesus has a Father. It basically is a result of believing the Trinity as it is taught today. To them essentially, in practice, Jesus is his own Father.
Jesus points towards his Father for worship, however, the Father clearly enjoys his son receiving worship.
He even demanded that all angels worship him. Currently we are even lower than the angels in nature.
Hi MS,
Jesus told us to pray to God as our Father too.
A faithful humble selfless servant son to his God.
Should we not follow him?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 04 2007,20:15) Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 04 2007,19:56) Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 04 2007,19:47) Morningstar I have a conflict with this. I am not so sure if it is alright to worship Jesus. Knowing that the Father is greater then the Son. Should there not be more Honor be given to the Father. I we worship both there is no difference. Just my thinking. I always pray through Jesus when i approach the Fathers Throne, since He is our Mediator that is the only way we can do so, God cannot look on Sin and Sinners we are. Getting to tired now so for tonight. Good night Peace and Love Mrs.
I deffinately agree with you to a large extent.I find some Christians, especially evangelicals almost forget Jesus has a Father. It basically is a result of believing the Trinity as it is taught today. To them essentially, in practice, Jesus is his own Father.
Jesus points towards his Father for worship, however, the Father clearly enjoys his son receiving worship.
He even demanded that all angels worship him. Currently we are even lower than the angels in nature.
Hi MS,
Jesus told us to pray to God as our Father too.
A faithful humble selfless servant son to his God.
Should we not follow him?
Of course we should.I honor and praise Jesus that's just shy of being worship. He Is Lord! And our BIG brother who gave Himself for us.
Would you turn down an easy rich life that Satan offered to be crucified and die?There is no greater love!
Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 05 2007,01:18) I honor and praise Jesus that's just shy of being worship. He Is Lord! And our BIG brother who gave Himself for us.
Would you turn down an easy rich life that Satan offered to be crucified and die?There is no greater love!
Ken Amen to thatLove Mrs.
Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 04 2007,20:24) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 04 2007,20:15) Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 04 2007,19:56) Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 04 2007,19:47) Morningstar I have a conflict with this. I am not so sure if it is alright to worship Jesus. Knowing that the Father is greater then the Son. Should there not be more Honor be given to the Father. I we worship both there is no difference. Just my thinking. I always pray through Jesus when i approach the Fathers Throne, since He is our Mediator that is the only way we can do so, God cannot look on Sin and Sinners we are. Getting to tired now so for tonight. Good night Peace and Love Mrs.
I deffinately agree with you to a large extent.I find some Christians, especially evangelicals almost forget Jesus has a Father. It basically is a result of believing the Trinity as it is taught today. To them essentially, in practice, Jesus is his own Father.
Jesus points towards his Father for worship, however, the Father clearly enjoys his son receiving worship.
He even demanded that all angels worship him. Currently we are even lower than the angels in nature.
Hi MS,
Jesus told us to pray to God as our Father too.
A faithful humble selfless servant son to his God.
Should we not follow him?
Of course we should.
Hi MS,
He worshiped the Most High God and not himself.
We should do the same and worship and serve his Father God if we are in him.
Again you offer a new hidden gnostic teaching for only the clever that Christ is ever God of the jews.
You shun the simplicity of scripture to confuse the children of God.
Genesis 14:22
And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,2 Samuel 22:14
The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice.Psalm 47:2
For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.Daniel 4:17
This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.Lamentations 3:38
Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?Psalm 107:11
Because they rebelled against the words of God, and contemned the counsel of the most High:2 Corinthians 11
1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
You preach another God.
You preach another Jesus.Nick,
I could say the same things back to you.
Nick you are falling the the exact same thing the Jews Jesus spoke to in John 8.
Hi MS,
God was in Christ.[2cor 11]
Christ was a man anointed by God.[Acts 10]
The Son of God was not the God of The Israelites.Jn 10
” 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? “Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 05 2007,10:18) Hi MS,
God was in Christ.[2cor 11]
Christ was a man anointed by God.[Acts 10]
The Son of God was not the God of The Israelites.Jn 10
” 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? “
I don't think “just” Jesus was the God of the Israelites. The Father and Son “BOTH” were.If Jesus was not also the God of the Israelites then the Israelites would have never heard from the Father. We wouldn't have had any “revelation”.
Jesus is the word of God. Jesus reveals the invisible Father.
I keep wondering Nick, if you just don't agree that the english word “God” is a title. Do you think it is actually the sole name or sole title of the Father?
I have seen t8, David and others including myself discuss the topic of the word God. Do you disagree with us?
Do you understand that God or god is a title. The Father does pass this title out.
I think most of the arguements on this forum stem from a lack of agreed apon definitions of words.
Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 05 2007,11:44) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 05 2007,10:18) Hi MS,
God was in Christ.[2cor 11]
Christ was a man anointed by God.[Acts 10]
The Son of God was not the God of The Israelites.Jn 10
” 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? “
I don't think “just” Jesus was the God of the Israelites. The Father and Son “BOTH” were.If Jesus was not also the God of the Israelites then the Israelites would have never heard from the Father. We wouldn't have had any “revelation”.
Jesus is the word of God. Jesus reveals the invisible Father.
Hi MS,
God was in Christ.[2Cor5]
Was Christ in Christ?
Were both Gods in Christ?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 05 2007,12:20) Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 05 2007,11:44) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 05 2007,10:18) Hi MS,
God was in Christ.[2cor 11]
Christ was a man anointed by God.[Acts 10]
The Son of God was not the God of The Israelites.Jn 10
” 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? “
I don't think “just” Jesus was the God of the Israelites. The Father and Son “BOTH” were.If Jesus was not also the God of the Israelites then the Israelites would have never heard from the Father. We wouldn't have had any “revelation”.
Jesus is the word of God. Jesus reveals the invisible Father.
Hi MS,
God was in Christ.[2Cor5]
Was Christ in Christ?
Were both Gods in Christ?
lol,Nick you are doing it again with the word God.
When discussing with you I will no longer use the word God. I will use Father and Son. Because either I am incapable of expressing my view or you are to stubborn to even acknowledge what I am talking about concerning the title God.
So do answer your question.
The Father was in the Son.
Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 05 2007,12:50) MS who was the son of man?
a son of man could be any human.THE son of man is a prophetic reference to the incarnate son of God.
The Firstborn Son who entered humanity through a fleshy avatar.
Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 05 2007,12:59) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 05 2007,12:50) MS who was the son of man?
a son of man could be any human.THE son of man is a prophetic reference to the incarnate son of God.
The Firstborn Son who entered humanity through a fleshy avatar.
Jesus called Himself the son of man. Jesus was a son of man who became the Son of God.Born with no sin only He could be “completely” the Son of God. We wait for our body of No sin, as HE had.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 05 2007,13:06) Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 05 2007,12:59) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 05 2007,12:50) MS who was the son of man?
a son of man could be any human.THE son of man is a prophetic reference to the incarnate son of God.
The Firstborn Son who entered humanity through a fleshy avatar.
Jesus called Himself the son of man. Jesus was a son of man who became the Son of God.Born with no sin only He could be “completely” the Son of God. We wait for our body of No sin, as HE had.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Are you talking about at baptism?I believe he became official the anointed Messiah with power from on high at that time.
But, he certainly was the son of God before that.
Maybe, I am misunderstanding you.
My view is he preexisted as the son of God, the divine son over Israel.
Through the son the Father spoke and interacted with the patriarchs.
Then he humbled himself to be our suffering servant, our savior and messiah so that he could rule as our King which pleased the Father. He incarnated into flesh via the virgin Mary and lived the life of a son of man, albeit one who knew his ultimate purpose. He was baptised and anointed as the messiah and then began his ministry.
Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 05 2007,13:14) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 05 2007,13:06) Quote (Morningstar @ Dec. 05 2007,12:59) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 05 2007,12:50) MS who was the son of man?
a son of man could be any human.THE son of man is a prophetic reference to the incarnate son of God.
The Firstborn Son who entered humanity through a fleshy avatar.
Jesus called Himself the son of man. Jesus was a son of man who became the Son of God.Born with no sin only He could be “completely” the Son of God. We wait for our body of No sin, as HE had.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Are you talking about at baptism?I believe he became official the anointed Messiah with power from on high at that time.
But, he certainly was the son of God before that.
Maybe, I am misunderstanding you.
My view is he preexisted as the son of God, the divine son over Israel.
Through the son the Father spoke and interacted with the patriarchs.
Then he humbled himself to be our suffering servant, our savior and messiah so that he could rule as our King which pleased the Father. He incarnated into flesh via the virgin Mary and lived the life of a son of man, albeit one who knew his ultimate purpose. He was baptised and anointed as the messiah and then began his ministry.
If Jesus existed before He came down, was He the son of Man?
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