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Quote (Mr. Steve @ Nov. 15 2007,17:09) What Jesus and John the Baptist said about the Jews according to the flesh is just the tip of the iceberg. The Old Testament prophets just drilled the Jews. In actuality though the prophets speak to all of us that follow Christ today because the application is to the human heart not just an isolated race. Paul even said what happened to Israel ministered to us in the New Testament and not actually to natural Israel because the church is the true Israel of God.
That is like so bogus. Replacement theology is bunk.Yes I know that Peter in Greek Petros means Rock. The oneness believe that Peter is the rock on which the church was or is built. But it also says in the bible that Jesus is the Chief Corner Stone of the church. Yes Peter was an Apostle or Disciple…and was probably part of the first stones on the foundation in the first church. But Jesus is the STONE that holds everything all together. Where do you think Peter would be without Jesus…or GOD. Obviously, we all know the answer to that question.
Yes Peter was a GOD loving and GOD fearing man …that realized that Jesus Christ was in fact the Christ that GOD had sent…to save us all from damnation. And Jesus was commending him for that…and told him that he did not come to that conclusion all by his little old lonesome. That the father had revealed it to him. This is where I believe a misinterpretation, that was no doubt do to the use of the English language…came into play. When Jesus said upon this rock I will build my church…I believe he meant Himself…not Peter. Actually what I believe this passage of scripture points out is that Peters FAITH was in the right place.
Understand?
You know how Jesus always taught in parables? I believe this is yet another parable as well. To show you where you should have your FAITH grounded and rooted at.
Satan is a lier! The truth is not in him! He that seeketh shall findeth, So therefore shall I seek the Kingdom of GOD and the Truth…and I have the FAITH grounded in the right place…which is Jesus Christ or Lord and Saviour…that I shall find what I seek.
It is written.
Are you going to pray to Peter? Is he your Rock?
What happened to Peter when he went forth to Jesus on the Water…and he took His eyes off the ROCK…the True ROCK?
He started sinking…and cried out JESUS SAVE ME!
And Jesus did save him.
You do not have to believe…sir. You have your own free will. But that which is the truth is written. I am a living testament of it. And, its my job and duty as a Christian to be a witness…no I'm not a preacher…or a pastor…or a Bible Scholar. I am just a humble servant of Christ. That speaks what the spirit tells me to speak. These things that I tell you I can assure you they are the truth…the spirit tells me so.
I have done my job. Your blood will not be on my hands sir.Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 17 2007,15:15) Samuel Great Job. I like your Post. Yes, that rock I will built my Church on. Some will think that rock is Peter, but I think that Rock is Jesus. So I am with you . I also look to that Rock of Salvation. He died for us, that is how much He loved us. Millions of Christians have died for Him also. What great Faith they had. I hope and pray if I have ever have to choose between Man and God under the tread of dying, that I would choose dead. We are in the end times and everything is possible. Stay strong Samuel. I am old going on 70 in July of 2008. So maybe my days on earth are numbered, who knows, only God. In Him I put my Trust. Amen Peace and Love Mrs.
Yes Jesus is the corner stone.I tend to think that the rock that Jesus was referring to was Peter's words. “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God”.
Matthew 16:16-19
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.The messiah calls Simon, Peter (Petros) but Jesus built his church upon a bigger rock (petra), namely Peter's declaration that was given to him by the Father.
That is why there are all these dodgy doctrines out there. They try to deny that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah in word or in deed, if only to attack the very foundation of the true Church.
The Trinity denies this truth in deed by saying that he is God himself. Oneness denies it in word by saying that he is the Father. JWs say he is Michael. And many of the Jews do not believe that he is the messiah and the son of God, just as Islam does.
But guess what?
Jesus built his church on that truth and he says that the gates of hell will not prevail against it. Yes the gates of hell are certainly trying, but here we are 2000 or so years later and there are many who truly believe that he is the son of God and the messiah. So the gates of hell haven't prevailed yet, and they will not prevail according to Jesus words.
This is an elementary teaching of Christ or the doctrine of Christ. i.e., that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah. Let us hold onto this even though many in the world try to wrestle this truth away from us.
Hebrews 6:1
Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,he he.
It appears so.
The Trinity was dealt a death blow in this thread, but there are still some conclusions being teased out.
I don't believe in the Trinity …at least not the way the Trinity doctrine has been described.
I believer there are Three yes…but I don't believe they are all GOD. Only one of them is GOD. and thats GOD. lol
To be honest the only reason I'm still even talking about it is because I like to talk. Which reminds me…we should get us a Ventrilo Server or a Live Chat function Like IRC or something.
That way we can Fellowship with each other in Real time…I've noticed several people will be on the same time I'm on…we could all chat together.
i don't believe the trinity too.
a simple math: 1+1+1=3
but here is their reasoning with regards to the computation:
http://webmusings.fateback.com/god/God%20in%20the%20math.html
Check it out:
jesusishuman.com
It's a 2 hour documentary put on by Anthony Buzzard (Biblical Unitarian). Pretty good (low budget, but good).
Mandy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hxNhpfdExE
This youtube on the Trinity might be the most irreverent thing I've ever heard concerning such matters (WJ I apologize in advance), but it makes an obvious point.
It stresses (through off-beat humor) the complete illogical reasoning surrounding the dogma of the Trinity. It reinforces the fact that the Trinity cannot be explained. And when one tries to explain it……it sounds like this guy on the video. I'm sorry, I may have a twisted sense of humor, but this is funny!
Hi,
The basis of all that can be known about God is the bible.
There is no trinity in the bible.
…end of story.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2007,18:50) Hi,
The basis of all that can be known about God is the bible.
There is no trinity in the bible.
…end of story.
NICK HASSAN?
Welcome back! I see you havnt changed much!!!
Blessings to you.
I thought you would have found out the Trinity was true by now though!!!
Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 27 2007,17:38) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hxNhpfdExE This youtube on the Trinity might be the most irreverent thing I've ever heard concerning such matters (WJ I apologize in advance), but it makes an obvious point.
It stresses (through off-beat humor) the complete illogical reasoning surrounding the dogma of the Trinity. It reinforces the fact that the Trinity cannot be explained. And when one tries to explain it……it sounds like this guy on the video. I'm sorry, I may have a twisted sense of humor, but this is funny!
Not3I listened and heard nothing more than what we have heard here.
In fact I thought you give a better argument.
They only used 2 scriptures. And didnt even touch on any of the Trinitarian verses.
Hi WJ,
Thanks for having a good sense of humor or should I say – tolerance for the video. I'm sure it wasn't truly meant to teach anything but just to show the obvious problem with the teaching making sense to the average person.
Wow, I'm tired. That sentence didn't quite make sense, but you know what I mean. I'm too tired to reconstruct it. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzWell, if it isn't BROTHER NICK!
I am over-joyed to see you here again. We have missed you, for sure!
Hope to hear more from you,
MandyHi ,
It is possible to develop a construct of God as triune.
But only by abandoning scriptural teaching as the basis of such knowledge.Welcome back Nick after your big break.
I think I took a 3 month break once. I think yours was 4 though.
I heard you had 30 degrees (celcius) down there the other day.
I hope all is good.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2007,18:50) Hi,
The basis of all that can be known about God is the bible.
There is no trinity in the bible.
…end of story.
Welcome back I wish that would be the end of the Story as far as the trinity doctrine is concerned, but I do not think that W.J. is going to give into us and give it up. The Scriptures that I like to use to prove it wrong is in Ephesian 4:4 there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called, in one hope of your calling;verse 5 one Lord, one Faith, one baptizm;
verse 6 “One God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in you all.
Peace and Love Mrs.
Hi,
Personally I think rejecting scriptural teaching in favour of human wisdom as the basis of our understanding of truth is most unwise. But it remains very popular and many feel happier in a crowd.
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