The Trinity Doctrine

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 03 2007,10:42)

t8…..> i cant figure out how you get parts of posts and put them in our posts. I would appreicate if you or someone could tell me how.

It is mentioned in the Helpdesk too.

Copy the relevant part of a persons post, (select the text, then edit copy) then instead of replying in the discussion click the quote button from the post that you wish to post.

Then you need to delete the persons post, which is in the second text box on the posting page and paste in the relevant part of the post that you copied instead.

There you have it.

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How to quote: Click the quote button once, then type or paste in some text, then hit the quote button again to close the quote. This last method doesn't preserve the details of the author who made the original post. But you can add that description in yourself if you wish.

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You can try it out in the “Test Posting here” forum.

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Quote (elaine1809 @ Oct. 04 2007,11:31)

the MISTERY of the trinity is like the MISSING LINK in the evolution THEORY. WHY do some or most scientist ASSUME the THEORY to be a PROVEN FACT when it is CLEARLY not….SAme with the trinity concept , there are A FEW scriptures that could “COULD” mean that he is GOD THE FATHER, ONLY if there was NO other statements that CLEARLY or to be on the saafe side state the opposite. if the only scriptures in bible are the few that most trinitarians used to “prove” trinity then they have a :good case” but what happens to the others[lost of them ] that logically mean state the opposite?…Then we bring to the equation the trinity word as an ancient PAGAN concept[ read the history] and the theory falls thru…..???

Satan is a liar and he sells lies to people.

For those who don't believe in a creator, he sells them Evolution.
For those who believe in God, he sells them another religion.
For those who believe in God and his son, he sells them the Trinity.

Simply put, we need to be as harmless as doves and as wise as serpents.

After all, we live in a world and age which is under the sway of the evil one, who is also called the god of this age.

The only escape is to be led by God's Spirit.

[GeneBalthrop]

elaine 1809…..Your doing it right and because you want the truth God is showing you. As you seek, knock and ask, he will show you more and more truth. The Father works directly through those He loves and are called acording to HIS will and purpose….blessings and peace to you and yours……..gene

[GeneBalthrop]

T8…..your doing a good work here. And i believe more then you think are beginning to see through the false teachings of the TRINITY. It's time the LIE is exposed and we are all having a part in it. And it will truly grow in time in fact it's growing even now, so doin't get discouraged brother……..gene

[elaine1809]

THank you GENE! LOve and Peace to you and your family:)

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 04 2007,15:02)

T8…..your doing a good work here. And i believe more then you think are beginning to see through the false teachings of the TRINITY. It's time the LIE is exposed and we are all having a part in it. And it will truly grow in time in fact it's growing even now, so doin't get discouraged brother……..gene

Thanks Gene.

And amen to people being freed from this lie.

[chipwhite]

Hello all, hope everyone is doing well.

One thing that may or may not have been covered (just not in the pages I have read thus far) is the example I posted earlier of the tabernacle. It just seemed to get overlooked or maybe it was just not worth addressing I could not tell.

I find it ironic that we can compare the tabernacle with the nature of man and except it completely with little opposition from either side. but when that same example is applied to anything else then it becomes a subject not open for conversation so again I post.

Outer Courtyard—–Flesh—–Christ
Holy Place—–Soul—–Father
Most Holy Place—–spirit—–Holy Spirit

We do not say that the outer courtyard is not part of the tabernacle eventhough it is not the holy place or the most holy place. Nor do we say that the later two or also not part of the tabernacle. Eventhough, we are going to recieve a new and glorified body, and that this body/flesh is corrupt and passing away. We do not say that our flesh is not part of us. We can easily accept that this is so with us but we are absolutely sure that this could not apply to the Father. We know (without twisting scripture) that the Father's Holy Spirit works with Himin the same way that our spirit works with us. But our spirit is our life and the part of us the Holy Spirit communes with. We even say that the Holy Spirit (because of the torn viel to the Holy of Holies) resides in us and that it is from the Father. I have never heard anyone on here debate against the Father being spirit/invisible. Yet we read he walked in the cool of the garden. He spoke (a physical thing by the way) things into existance. There are many physical things attributed to the Father (hiding moses in the cleft of a rock covering him with his hand untill he passed over and then he saw HIM leaving or The elders met him in the air. etc. etc. etc.) Now again I go back to The Holy Spirit came upon mary and she became pregnant with child. This has two significant ramifacations. It makes Christ the “Son of God” but it also makes him through Mary “the son of man.” (Literally in both cases.) Then we read phillipians and we see that he did not consider equality with the Father something to be grasped. How can anyone or anything be equal to the Father except the Father??? My son is the fifth, I am the fourth, my dad is the third etc. etc. that is completely different then the outer courtyard. The outer courtyard and Holy place are not descendants of the Most Holy Place. My soul and flesh are not descendants of my spirit nor are they anymore seperate than the outercourtyard and holy place are not part of the tabernacle. We are in the image of the Father,and have a tri une nature,but there is absolutely no way God could have a tri une nature. The tabernacle is a shadow of the heavenly one yet it had a tri une composition (3 seperate functioning parts but in total one tabernacle.) May You be in them as You are in Me. Wasn't that Christs prayer for us. That He and the Father are one. My flesh cannot do anything without the will of my mind/soul it only repeats/functions/carries out what my will is. Take away my will and it just lays there,it can do nothing on its own. Sound familiar. did not Christ say this about Himself in reference to the Father. Even the form “Son of God” everyone keeps quoting was like our flesh in that He was only that way during His life and ministry down here.

[chipwhite]

I am getting a little long in the post so I will stop there and see if anyone answers before I go further. God bless brothers and sisters looking foward to your responces. Chip

[kejonn]

Chip,

Your post is rather concise. I've responded to posts from WJ that ended up taking up 7-8 pages in MS Word .

[chipwhite]

I figured it may have been covered but I did not want to go through the 600 pages that I have not read yet.(Ha Ha) But whenever someone does address it again and they probably will maybe I will be there and get in on it. I do like the way you and worshipping Jesus are so in depth with the scriptures and the why and the how. I am encouraged to dig deeper and go further with my own understanding. All though I side with worshipping jesus I enjoy your northern sarcasm sometimes when you make a point. (I work construction so I am used to alot worse than sarcasm.) I think what I like the most about this site is the Passion and Love for the Father and being right with Him I since here Chip.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 05 2007,12:28)

Chip, Your post is rather concise. I've responded to posts from WJ that ended up taking up 7-8 pages in MS Word  .

kejonn

Your post were so long you broke them up in parts.

Have you also noticed my post have a couple of emtpy lines between the lines for easier reading?

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So you can read between the lines.

[Laurel]

The outer courtyard is for the Gentiles, and as it is this day, the outer courtyard of Solomon's temple is where the temple in Jerusalem stands today, under the name of Islam.

Laurel
You will probably have to rethink the last few posts.

Eze 10:5 And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh.

Lev 6:16 And the remainder thereof shall Aaron and his sons eat: with unleavened bread shall it be eaten in the holy place; in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation they shall eat it.
(not the outer court)

2Ch 7:7 Moreover Solomon hallowed the middle of the court that was before the house of the LORD: for there he offered burnt offerings, and the fat of the peace offerings, because the brasen altar which Solomon had made was not able to receive the burnt offerings, and the meat offerings, and the fat.

The middle or inner court is for the people who have repented.

Est 4:11 All the king's servants, and the people of the king's provinces, do know, that whosoever, whether man or woman, shall come unto the king into the inner court, who is not called, there is one law of his to put him to death, except such to whom the king shall hold out the golden sceptre, that he may live: but I have not been called to come in unto the king these thirty days.
(here is a shadow of Messiah the septer, YHWH the King, the inner court where they dwell)

Isa 34:13 And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of dragons, and a court for owls.
Isa 34:14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.
Isa 34:15 There shall the great owl make her nest, and lay, and hatch, and gather under her shadow: there shall the vultures also be gathered, every one with her mate.
Isa 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
Isa 34:17 And he hath cast the lot for them, and his hand hath divided it unto them by line: they shall possess it for ever, from generation to generation shall they dwell therein.
(whoo is in the outer court?)
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
(men have made YHWH's court an abomination)

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
(The outer court is for the Gentiles) So saith YHWH!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 05 2007,20:58)

So you can read between the lines.

t8

Good one!

   

One for each member of the Godhead!  

[Mr. Steve]

WJ;

Jesus said he was going back to where he was before. You said he was the Word before and not the Son of God. Does it follow then that he went back to being the Word?

Steven

[chipwhite]

Hello laurel hope you are well and enjoyed your worship (hear sound doctrine)

You are correct in saying that the outercourtyard is for the gentiles I do not dissagree with this. The symbolism for me is that even in the old testament the outer courtyard was open to all the people of the Father. This is where the people went to give to the priests their sacrifices for the atonement for their sins.

This is where the sin was in the outercourtyard.

The atonement for that sin was made by the priests ( who alone can enter the holy place to make atonement for their sins.)

But the sacrifice was brought from the flesh then offered up for the forgiveness of sin.

Now the High priest alone would make atonement (even for those who would make atonement for the people) once a year in the most holy place.

This sacrifice he made to make him worthy to enter into the most holy place to truly know the will of the Father to lead the people.

Untill Christ the gentiles of the outercourtyard were lost and not the Fathers chosen people nor did the have hope of ever entering into the holy place so that they may know God.

Now Christ became the sacrifice so when people come to the tabernacle to atone for their sins they now have the perfect sacrifice.

This blood ( unlike the blood of animals ) paid the price that is why it was only offered once ( unlike the blood of animals ) and cleansed those completely.

Now with the sacrifice made not only are we His chosen people but we are also priests of the tabernacle. ( our soul has the ability to govern or controll our flesh.)

Our High Priest has gone into/comes from the most holy place so we know our instruction is true.

Just as the high priest then was among the people and instructing them in the will of the Father. So now our High Priest has instructed us (set an example) with his very life!!!!!

This life however is like the parables he told us it is given to us to show us because it is all we can handle. There is so much more he wants to tell us the scripture says but this is all you can handle. If you go back to my previous comment you can see how Christ can be part of the tri-une nature of God yet still in every area be submissive to the will of the Father. Is this not the very pattern in the created that we have to work out. To keep our flesh in submission to the will of our soul as it is educated through our spirits interaction with the Holy Spirit.

Amazingly similar to the pattern of the tabernacle our total persons are. [B][/B]Coincidence I think Not[B]

WE are just created in the triune nature of our triune Father:D

[chipwhite]

Sorry about the toungue emoticon got carried away with the mouse pad. Your bro in him Chip

[Mr. Steve]

Laurel;

The outercourt is the court that is without spoken of in Revelation 11. It will be given over the gentiles to be trodden under foot for 42 months. Jesus said if the salt loses it's savour it is good for nothing but to be cast out and trodden under the foot of men. This is a picture of the fools and hypocrites that will need to decide who they are going to serve in the tribulation. This is a great truth. This is why Jesus said remember Lots wife because the days of his coming are comparable. Those who obey in that day will escape. Those who do not obey will not escape.

Steven

[Laurel]

Thank you Steven.

[steve]

hi,i am a first time user.i would like to comment on the doctrine of the trinity.the athanasian creed 293-373ad.this is the catholic faith,which except a man believe faithfully,he cannot be saved.whosoever will be saved,before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith.they argue that god is a trinity and that the trinity is a mystery,no one can understand.if that were true,how could we have faith in a mystery that no one can understand.that does not seem logical and certainly not bibical.one prominent catholic offical stated that evey person who had been baptized according to the trinitarian formula was in reality a catholic,because the trinity is a catholic doctrine and the catholics teach baptism as the entrance into the romam catholic church.thus,the trinity theory was actually cultivated in the development of the romam catholic church.trinitarians teach that jesus is in the godhead,but the bible teaches that the godhead is in jesus.colossians2:9.jesus is the express image of the invisible god.colossians1:15;hebrews1:3.the whole theory of trinitarism is just a theory of mass confusion.it is not biblical and certainly not logical.anyone who can worship a trinity can believe anything.if anyone can show me with the king james bible were anyone was baptized in the trinity formula father,son, and holy ghost,in the bible i will pay him or her five hundred dollars.have a wonderful day.bro.steve

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