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to All…. I beleive There are seven spirits that compose God and these Spirits are every where in His creation and they perform all His works. They go out into all the earth and effect everything there is. And thats what God meant when He said Let (US) create man in our image. God is a uni-plural Being, Complete composed of Spirit and all seven spiritual atributes Go out from Him, and into His creation. If we take what belongs to God and apply it as if were comming from ourselves we become theives and liers. We need to remember there is ONLY ONE GOD in ALL and THROUGH ALL. Not two or three God's in any form or essences as taught by the trinitarian Idology. Lets give credit to whom credit is do, and a the thing that Jesus performed was done BY GOD the FAther, and if you read what Jesus said you can see, that exactly what He said, saying I can of my ownself do nothing. So whats the example of Jesus is it not to show how One GOD can come into us and creat righteousness are we like Jesus created unto good works are we not heirs and Jont heirs with Him, are we not Brothers of his all having ONE FATHER, who is the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD> the answer is Yes were are brothers and sisters. And it does not apear what we shall be, But we know when he apears we shall be (JUST LIKE HIM)….Peace to all who seek truth you will find it…..gene
W.J. Col. 1:15 “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.”
Rev. 3:14 …These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the
creation of God.
Col 1:18 ” And He is the head of the body, the Church; who is the BEGINNING, the FIRSTBORN OF
DEAD; that in ALL things He might have the preeminence.W.J. If He was not created He would not be the first in all. And He came forth from the Father, so
He was taught by the Father. And of course Gen. says ” Let us make man in our image,
after our likeness.”Did that answer your Question?
Peace and Love Mrs.:D
Hello all seeking truth there is something that you keep bringing up that I would like to touch on. It involves our previous conversation about the tri-une nature of man. You say that the tabernacle is a shadow of the heavenly tabernacle and I agree because it is scripture but let me throw out an interpretation that I have been guided towards. What is the old testament tabernacle.
Outer courtyard: (anyone and everyone could enter here to come worship and make atonement for sin.)
Holy place: ( this is where only the priests entered and they made atonement for the people)
The Most Holy Place/Holy of Holies: (this was entered by the high priest then only once a year to atone for the priests)Now I say that this tabernacle is related to our tri-une nature
Outer courtyard–Flesh (anything and everything physical may effect this)
Holy place—Soul (this is where the thoughts,mind,emotion,will etc. the thinking/feeling part of man)
Holy of Holies–spirit ( this is where the Holy Spirit speaks to us leading us into all truths)The tabernacle was a pattern of the heavenly one to come. The high priest Jesus was not only the priest but also the atonement and the sacrifice for us. When this High Priest made the perfect sacrifice the viel of the temple was torn from top to bottom showing that the time of promise was at hand and that the work was completely and utterly done. IE the time for symbolism is done because the time of the new covenant was at last. Not just the promise but the actual promised fullfilled. Now the tabernacle is the indwelling place of the Holy Spirit/ power of God which is now within us. We are the tabernacle that the Holy Spirit now dwells in.
chipwhite You have it right on the nose, We are the Temple of God, His Holy Spirit lives in us, and makes us Holy. That is why He calls us His Holy People. That is what makes us Brothers and Sisters in Christ. And if you are very sensitive you might even experience their presents. The spirit travels, that is my belief and I have experienced it with two Ladies on this Website. It was awesome.
Peace and Love Mrs.:D
Hello Chipwhite..thanks for your input I agree with you100%.
I did write something like this a few days back..Glad to know my understanding on this is clear=)..1 Chronicles 17:5
God said:”For I have not dwelt in a house since the time that I brought up Israel, even to this day, but have gone from tent to tent, and from one tabernacle to another.”
He went from tent to tent. Father God has always dwelt in tents moving toward the final tent!
Exodus 25, when He says, “I am going to come down there and dwell with you”?
Revelation chapter 21 says, that John saw this new Jerusalem descending out of heaven and it goes on to say that the Tabernacle of God is with men.
Man is His tabernacle. He does dwells IN US.
Habakkuk said, “The Glory of the Lord shall cover this earth, like the waters cover the sea”. We haven’t seen that yet. Some can sit back and say, “Well, this is the Glory”. Well, this isn’t the Glory. This isn’t all there is yet. It is not just a spiritual thing. Every other time the glory was manifested, it showed up in the natural. I think this is not what Father God meant when He said, “I am going to build a Church.” In fact, the New Testament says that it is a Church, that the gates of hell won’t prevail against. If we were there now, the Church would be much more excited about it and I know the world would be more affected by it. We are not discouraged by that because the Bible tells us that Father God is doing something. He is not finished with us yet. Thank God, He is the one doing, the doing!
In Luke 15, Jesus is teaching a parable about the lost and found coin. He said, “There was a woman who had 10 silver coins.” Silver, is the metal for redemption. She had 10 coins. She lost one and, in a time of darkness, she found that coin that she lost, because she got a candle lit. See, that is a picture of the Church.
They lost a redemptive nugget of revelation, a silver coin.
We don’t know every thing yet, but the Scripture says that she took a candle and lit it. Why? Because it was a time of darkness. Is it dark in the Church world today? Do we need more light in the Church? We don’t need bigger buildings and new programs. No, we are talking about more revelation, more understanding. Understanding has been a place of darkness for a long time in the Church. Proverbs says that understanding is a wellspring of knowledge. It also says that knowledge is considered wealth by Father God. Peter said, “I know who you are. God told me who you are”. Jesus said, “Upon this rock, I will build my Church”. He was talking about building it upon the rock of revelation. What did fleshly men do? They went out and started building Churches in the name of Peter. They thought the Church would be built on Peter. Jesus says, “I will build my Church upon the rock of revelation”.
That is that last redemptive coin. The Church is about to find, in a time of darkness, that last nugget of redemption that is going to put it together. How does she find it? She gets her candle lit.
The Scripture says, “The Spirit of man, is the candle of the Lord.” Father is lighting our candle and we are going to find that last redemptive coin! When she finds that coin, she goes rejoicing and telling everybody about it. That is a revelation of what is coming to pass in this age.
The builder of the temple of God will be a person who knows that it is not gifts, but wisdom. All the others will come. The margin in some of the Bibles says, “I need a hearing heart.” I need to hear from you. God said to him, “Because thou has not asked me for riches, honor, and long life, you are going to get wisdom and all these others will be added to you.”
What are riches, honor, and length of days? Did you know that the Bible says of the people that are alive in the Kingdom age that they will live as long as trees? Why? Because they have asked for wisdom! They are not spending all there prayers asking for more money, more healings, more blessing, and so on. They are asking for wisdom, revelation, understanding, and illumination of the Word. The Bible says in 1 Corinthians chapter 1 & 2 that the Cross of Christ, is the wisdom of God. We will have revelation about the Cross. That is what gets the temple built.
2 Corinthians 6:16
We are the temple of the living God, as God has said, I will live IN them and dwell IN them and walk IN them and I will be their God and they shall be my people.
blessings to you…
Cindyseeking truthn and Im4truth…..> right on we who have God's spirit in us are temples of the Living God, and remember when God spoke through Jesus and said Destory this temple and in three days I will raise it up. That was God first person specking through Jesus' Mouth. The Father cohabbits with us thats why we are Holy because Holyness indwells us. Thats the way it is with us and thats the way it with our brother Jesus our soon comming King and High Preist. And remember we were also called to become Kings and Priests of God too….your right on this ladies ……..peace to you both….gene.
Right on Chipwhite!
Father was in Jesus John said, “We beheld the glory and He dwelt, or tabernacled, among us”. But when He went to Calvary’s cross, the Glory departed. He bore our sins and carried our sorrows and on the Cross of Calvary He said, “My God, My God”. It got dark and He became like us.
Then Father raised him from the dead gave him back the glory. He is the head of the very Church that you and I are. See, there are patterns all over the place. The Glory came to every temple and left all the way through. The Glory was headed to and is come to the Church ..US!..
Now brothers and sisters in love, I humbly and reverently submit this.
That the invisible God, was made plain/visible in what was created so that men are without excuse as to the actual existance of God.
So I stick with the created.
Outer courtyard – flesh – Christ
Holy Place – soul (breath of God) – God
Holy of Holies – spirit – Holy SpiritJust as the outer courtyard had anyone and everyone coming into it and that is where the sin was brought and atonement for that sin started, so in man's flesh and Christ's flesh may we draw that parallel.
In the Holy place that is where the priests went to make atonement for the sins of the people and to make the sacrifices for that sin. In man this place is our mind where we decifer the message through the scriptures and apply reason to things so that we understand. It is in our minds that we must believe Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God, the sacrifice for our sins, our righteousness, our path to eternal life and the way to the Father. We must mentally except that we have been crucified with Christ and yet we live. In our conscience is where we become a new creation and we die to the old self and we are daily made into the new creation. This is where we humbly and feebly attempt to love the Lord our God with all our heart,soul,mind, and strength. These are all things done in the soul to bring us closer to God.
Now the Holy of Holies is where the sprit of man and the Spirit which is from God communicates with each other. (Again I go back to I Cor. chap 2 vrs 11 on) Paul makes it plain here no mystery no deciphering or twisting necessary just a literal interpretaiton of the words. Before Jesus and the rebirth there is no quickening of spirit to go in here. Even the high priest had to make atonement for himself and all of the sins before he went in here. And then only at the appointed time of year.
Now in a spiritual person there is an alignment: the Holy Spirit speaks to our spirit. our spirit speaks to our soul the truths of God, for they are spiritually discerned, and considered foolishness to those who do not have the spiritual awakining givin to us through baptism into the name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. When our soul understands these truths it resists our flesh and this age forcing our flesh to be obediant to what we know is truth taught by the spirit. Even if it goes against what we deem to be practicle. example (bless and do not curse your enemies) In the same way the high priest would recieve instruction or revelation from the Father. Then he would instruct and purify the other priest who would in turn go out and bring to obedience the chosen people of God. Now from that same passage in Corinthians we see that “In the same way (tupos) that the Holy Spirit works with God so does the spirit of man work with the thoughts and attitudes of the man. Just like man is three parts but still one man, the tabernacle is 3 parts but one tabernacle, so I now firmly understand how God is one God with 3 parts. This is how we are in the image of the creator. Now again I say that the proper alignment for man is spirit is the head, soul is the mediator, and flesh is the submissive of the three. So it is with God. For the word says that you may talk about the Father and you may talk about the Son but to blaspheme the Holy Spirit is unforgiveable and is a sure way to wind up in hell. I did not interpret this the word of God plainly says this. (hope you are reading this kejonn because in an earlier post you said you pondered this scripture often before, hope this helps.) Now we have existed with our soul listening to our flesh before we were unregenerated/reborn because our spirit was in submission to the flesh and the consequence of sin. But after we are reborn in our spirits we have the ability to listen to the Holy Spirit of God again. That is why spiritual people are never the same as carnal believers because we listen to our spirits not our desires of the flesh or notions of mental grandure of fantasy. There are carnal christians who worship God in their own minds and power and they are doomed to repeat and endless cycle of do good for a little while fall away for a little while. They are saved because they built on the foundation of Christ but there work is being shown for what is is upon that foundation.(They stay in the milk and do not move on to the solid food) The spritual christian however takes heed to hebrews chap 4 and takes the sword/word of God and seperates soul and spirit so that he or she may listen with the spirit instead of the soul. They are in the proper alignment: controlling the flesh and mind so that the Holy Spirit is their guide. Hence the term spiritual man. The new creation is that we go from carnal man to spiritual man. God has made this mystery clear with Christ the created. For the Holy Spirit came upon Mary and we now have Christ. In his fleshly form he was every bit while he lived the “Son of God” but all the prophecy is correct in the past when they called him the “son of man” same person called Son of God and son of man. By the Holy Spirit the first and by Mary the later. But thanks to phillipians we see that just as our flesh has to be obedient so to Christ even though he was a part of God became obedient and did what our flesh was to weak to do. He came in our form in every way so that he could show and lead us to these spiritual truths through our carnal natures. But just as the time Christ walked the earth is temporary in that state and time,so to are we temporary in this state and time. In every way he became like us so that in everyway we could be like him.(I hope this portion helps you Gene) The only way that all this could happen and line up is that the author and perfector of our faith carried it out exactly as it is written. Remember the prophets and saints of old longed to be in the days that we are now because they had not recieved the promise but we have and that is the new covenant and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Praise be to God our Father for setting it up in such a perfect way. As paul says in Romans just as one man adam came all sin,so the one man Christ covers all sin now and forever. Now if this does not bring glory to the Father the complete fullfilling work of salvation then I do not know what could. Nothing we do now or could ever know can bring glory to the Father it is but filthy rags. Christ by being obedient in the flesh brings all glory and honor and power to the Father just like our obedience leads to righteousness which leads to holiness. (little h for us because only GOD is HOLY our holiness is by the blood of Jesus and obedience to his word. Only he can be our righteousness and holiness we can never obtain it apart from him.)God bless everyone with more knowledge and wisdom for the service of his kingdom your brother in Christ Chip thanks for reading.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Sep. 30 2007,11:06) W.J. Col. 1:15 “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.”
Rev. 3:14 …These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the
creation of God.
Col 1:18 ” And He is the head of the body, the Church; who is the BEGINNING, the FIRSTBORN OF
DEAD; that in ALL things He might have the preeminence.W.J. If He was not created He would not be the first in all. And He came forth from the Father, so
He was taught by the Father. And of course Gen. says ” Let us make man in our image,
after our likeness.”Did that answer your Question?
Peace and Love Mrs.:D
Im4truthCol 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminenceWhat I highlighted above I would like to touch on.
First of all the word “firstborn” in the Hebrew scriptures does not always mean the “First to be born”. An example of this is King David who obviously was not the “firstborn son” yet he was made the firstborn by God. Pss 89:27
Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
Secondly the context that the word firstborn is used in Col 1:15 could not mean Jesus was created or born for the next verse says…
“For by him were ALL things created” and “ALL things were created by him, and for him”.
ALL THINGS means ALL THINGS. John 1:3 confirms this because it says…
“All things” were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
Here John not only says that all things were made by him but further clarifies that “without him was *not any thing* made that was made.”
Therefore Jesus could not have been one of the created because all things were made by him and we know he didn’t create himself.
Thirdly, verse 18 uses the same word “firstborn” from the dead. Now we know Jesus was not the ”first one” to rise from the dead, nevertheless he is the “firstborn” from the dead because he is before all things and by him all things consist, therefore he has the “Preeminence”.
Here is some commentary from the Net Bible on this…
28tn The Greek term πρωτότοκος (prwtotokos) could refer either to first in order of time, such as a first born child, or it could refer to one who is preeminent in rank. M. J. Harris, Colossians and Philemon (EGGNT), 43, expresses the meaning of the word well: “The ‘firstborn’ was either the eldest child in a family or a person of preeminent rank. The use of this term to describe the Davidic king in Ps 88:28 LXX (=Ps 89:27 EVV), ‘I will also appoint him my firstborn (πρωτότοκον), the most exalted of the kings of the earth,’ indicates that it can denote supremacy in rank as well as priority in time. But whether the πρωτό- element in the word denotes time, rank, or both, the significance of the -τοκος element as indicating birth or origin (from τίκτω, give birth to) has been virtually lost except in ref. to lit. birth.” In Col 1:15 the emphasis is on the priority of Jesus’ rank as over and above creation (cf. 1:16 and the “for” clause referring to Jesus as Creator).
http://www.bible.org/netbible/index.htmThe word “Beginning” in Col 1:18 and Rev 3:14 is ‘arche’ which also means:
1) beginning, origin
2) the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader
3) that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active causeSo in context with Yeshua having the preeminence and being the creator and since by him all things consist the beginning means he is the “First” “Originator” “The active cause” of the creation of God.
Jesus was not a created being. John says…
He is the “Eternal Life” that was with the Father in the beginning., confirming John 1-3 that Jesus is the Word and the Life that was with God and was God.There is no scripture that says the pre-incarnate Yeshua had a beginning.
Hope this helps.
Blessings!
W.J. You are twisting the scriptures to your liking, not what it says. You belief what you want and so will I. You just want to prove the trinity in that and it is not going to work with me.
Jesus came forth from the Father, He was not always with the Father. If you take the James Moffatt translation of the Bible and read in Proverbs besides scriptures given how can it mean anything else. Lets see lets make Heaven something else so we can confuse the world. You depend on Humans to much, I depend what the word says not what anybody else tells me. I have the Holy Spirit He will show me all things, and He has. What you want to belief you will. It shows with how you belief in the trinity, no matter what the Bible says about it. You rather belief other men. So many on this Web have shown you why they belief the trinity is wrong, but you will belief what you will, so lets just agree that we disagree. A line a Pastor of a Church used because He beliefs in the trinity. Period.
Peace and Love Mrs.
WorshippingJesus sole mission here is to prove the Trinity is the truth and the foundation of true faith. He will use any scripture that can be stretched to make this doctrine sound plausible. Others have other theories they are trying to defend, and still others again have the same theory with a different take.
On the other hand, there are also many who come here because they are searching the scriptures for truth. They don't start off with a theory to defend, rather they read scriptures and wisely align themselves with it.
This is the fundamental difference that I see going on is this discussion.
It is also clear to anyone after a while regarding who is defending a theory and who is seeking.
I pray in Yeshua's name that all who come here who are true, will recognise others who are also true, that they may encourage one another. Even if we differ on small points.
But I also pray that we will not compromise any foundational truth or elementary teaching about Christ for the sake of appeasement.
Amen.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Oct. 01 2007,11:48) W.J. You are twisting the scriptures to your liking, not what it says. You belief what you want and so will I. You just want to prove the trinity in that and it is not going to work with me. Jesus came forth from the Father, He was not always with the Father. If you take the James Moffatt translation of the Bible and read in Proverbs besides scriptures given how can it mean anything else. Lets see lets make Heaven something else so we can confuse the world. You depend on Humans to much, I depend what the word says not what anybody else tells me. I have the Holy Spirit He will show me all things, and He has. What you want to belief you will. It shows with how you belief in the trinity, no matter what the Bible says about it. You rather belief other men. So many on this Web have shown you why they belief the trinity is wrong, but you will belief what you will, so lets just agree that we disagree. A line a Pastor of a Church used because He beliefs in the trinity. Period.
Peace and Love Mrs.
Im4truthWhy should you be offended when I speak the truth?
If what I say is not true then tell me why.
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You depend on Humans to much, I depend what the word says not what anybody else tells me.No my trust is in the Spirit of Truth that leads me and guides me into all truth. You say the James Moffatt translation to you shows by proverbs that Jesus had a beginning.
Why not post it so I can read it. I cant find his translation anywhere.
However I have already shown scripture that says that all the “Treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge” are hid in Yeshua. So how could he “Be” the wisdom.
David had mentioned the female gender being used in proverbs describing wisdom is no problem because “Love” is a feminine word and the Bible says God is Love.
However the Bible does say…
“God is Love”. But it does not say “Love is God”. Jesus is made unto us wisdom because all wisdom is in him and is revealed to us. However, wisdom is not Jesus. It is a concept.
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You rather belief other men.Well Sis the scriptures that we have were written by men and translated by men. James Moffatt was a man.
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So many on this Web have shown you why they belief the trinity is wrong, but you will belief what you will, so lets just agree that we disagree.Not at all. The only one on this sight that has really taken my post and addressed my points in opposition, is kejonn and David. But I will agree to disagree.
Everyone does just what you are doing now. Accuse me of being wrong in what I say simply because I am a Trinitarian, therefore as GB says we are just liars or decieved or what ever other name they can think of.
Just like t8 on the previous post to this one.
Why dont you just show me by scripture what I am saying is wrong?
What are you or anyone else affraid of?
The Truth?
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 01 2007,13:37) WorshippingJesus sole mission here is to prove the Trinity is the truth and the foundation of true faith. He will use any scripture that can be stretched to make this doctrine sound plausible. Others have other theories they are trying to defend, and still others again have the same theory with a different take. On the other hand, there are also many who come here because they are searching the scriptures for truth. They don't start off with a theory to defend, rather they read scriptures and wisely align themselves with it.
This is the fundamental difference that I see going on is this discussion.
It is also clear to anyone after a while regarding who is defending a theory and who is seeking.
I pray in Yeshua's name that all who come here who are true, will recognise others who are also true, that they may encourage one another. Even if we differ on small points.
But I also pray that we will not compromise any foundational truth or elementary teaching about Christ for the sake of appeasement.
Amen.
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WorshippingJesus sole mission here is to prove the Trinity is the truth and the foundation of true faith. He will use any scripture that can be stretched to make this doctrine sound plausible.Why sugar coat it t8? Just say that I am a liar and deciever and that I am here just to promote false doctrine to lead people astray. Further more why dont you just say I have a wicked and evil heart and I dont even know Jesus.
Because if I am stretching scriputers as you say, then that is what I am!
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On the other hand, there are also many who come here because they are searching the scriptures for truth. They don't start off with a theory to defend, rather they read scriptures and wisely align themselves with it.t8 isnt this the reason you created this sight. To defend “your truth” against the Trinity? Why should it be wrong for someone to come to your open forum and defend their truth when as you say they should be seeking the truth when they come here. So would you have them just hear “Your Truth” or one side.
If all you want to be said here is just your truth then maybe you should limit the sight to just what you believe.
Then see how many would come.
t8
BTW.
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WorshippingJesus sole mission here is to prove the Trinity is the truth and the foundation of true faith. He will use any scripture that can be stretched to make this doctrine sound plausible. Others have other theories they are trying to defend, and still others again have the same theory with a different take.On the other hand, there are also many who come here because they are searching the scriptures for truth. They don't start off with a theory to defend, rather they read scriptures and wisely align themselves with it.
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But I also pray that we will not compromise any foundational truth or elementary teaching about Christ for the sake of appeasement.Go figure!
W.J. You are a really nice person, and I sincerley mean that. When you disagree you don't make it a big deal. Your last post for intance all it said ” Go figure”
I appreciate you even tho I don't agree with you on the trinity.
Peace and Love Mrs.
t8……When we were debating the trinity issue, You will notice I would always go back to very simple straight forward scriptures that Jesus Himself said. like for instance “, For Thou Art The ONLY true God”> but you never accepted them for their simple meanning. You would apply a trinitarian twist to them, and that would fustrate me as you did other scriptures we talked about, and at the same time saying you were showing straight forward sctiptures defending the trintiy theology. I showed you direct quotes from some of the top scholars who said when really pressed they would have to say they did not understand it, these men were trinitarians and top scholars they said it was mystery they couldn't explaine. So if its a “mystery” that can't be explained, why defend it as if it weren't, if your best can see that why you accept that also. Look i know we locked up at times over the issue of the trinity, but i do respect you and think you are quite sincere in your belief of what i conceder a false teaching……peace gene
Quote (t8 @ May 14 2002,08:52) John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God.I dont know where people get this notion. It clearly doesnt say The Word is God.
The scriptures are very clear that Christ is from God, he is subject to God and God knows things that his Son does not.
The scriptures are also clear that Gods children are of Christ and Jesus calls us brothers, yet we are children to our Father.
The scriptures are also very clear that the Woman is of Man, and Man is of woman. of meaning born or from.
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1 Corinthians 11:3 (English-NIV)
Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
——————————————–This may not be politically correct, but its truth and its the divine order.
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1 Corinthians 3:22-23 (English-NIV)
22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas {That is, Peter} or the world or life or death or the present or the future–all are yours,
23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God
——————————————–1 Corinthians 8:5-6 (English-NIV)
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”,
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
——————————————–Philippians 2:11
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
——————————————–Is this your confession?
Also who came in the flesh, God or the Word?
This scripture quite clearly states “and the Word WAS God.”
Unless you feel this scripture has been improperly translated, I do not understand your point.
What then of (Isa 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (ASV)
or
(Luk 2:11) for there is born to you this day in the city of David a Saviour, who is Christ the Lord.(ASV)
finally
(Joh 1:14) And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth.(ASV)what is your take on these scripture t8?
Quote (IM4Truth @ Oct. 01 2007,22:32) W.J. You are a really nice person, and I sincerley mean that. When you disagree you don't make it a big deal. Your last post for intance all it said ” Go figure” I appreciate you even tho I don't agree with you on the trinity.
Peace and Love Mrs.
I agree wholeheartedly!WJ has ministered to me on a number of occassions. He has called me “sister” even though we disagree about foundational teachings. I have seen the fruit of the Spirit in his life and heart. We all disagree at times and passion for the truth we know makes us rise up and stand firm, but I do believe that WJ's purpose here is multi-purpose (to teach, defend, prayer, encouragement – I've seen all of these at work).
I think t8 just meant that WJ is a good defender of the Trinity doctrine. They both have debated quite heavily on the subject, and when they do, it's interesting to observe. So, thanks to both brother's!
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