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Hi t8,
Your misunderstanding of the words of the angel
shows that you do not know what it means to follow Jesus.
Sit with Nicodemus.
So you teach that Luke 2:11-14 is not saying that this day was born a savior which is Christ the Lord.
“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.“
So the mystery is that it says something but means the opposite? lol.
Any mystery or teaching that claims to have secret knowledge and power to change scripture even to the opposite meaning is really just false teaching Nick.
Let’s call it false teaching. No need for pretense.
So you teach that Luke 2:11-14 is not saying that this day was born a savior which is Christ the Lord.
for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior,
Does the above scripture mean that on that day, he was NOT born a savior?
Please answer.
Yes / No
Good.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
So on that say in the town of David, he was born as the savior and as the messiah?
Please answer in the following format: Yes / No
You can then make a follow up post explaining your answer in full.
I require a yes or no.
But you do NOT believe that Jesus was born the messiah and the Lord. You clearly confessed this publicly and are yet to take responsibility for your error and say you are/were wrong.
Jesus the baby/man was born the savior, Christ, and son of God. Even the Lord. You teach a Jesus who was not born as these because you said:
Of course Jesus was made both Lord and Christ so was not conceived or born as such.
https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-the-logos/page/49/#post-808401
Instead you try to hide behind other words like “Of course the saviour was born. Who has questioned this?” Silly words because I am not questioning that so it is just a device to try and divert the light from shining on you and exposing you. Further, your cunning words try to disguise the fact that you do not believe that Jesus was born the messiah and the Lord by saying something that sounds a little similar but is not.
A child of the light does not need to hide or deceive. They stand by their words or repent. Man up Nick. Be brave. The heat will not go away until there is resolution. You can’t put this off forever. Just a matter of time before you need to address this.
T8….NICK OR I AM NOT SAYING HE WAS NOT “BORN” TO BE THE SAVIOR OR MESSIAH, where are you getting that from? being born to be something does not make you it till it is fulfilled, even though that was your destiny. Jesus was prophesied to be the savior of mamkind, way before even his berth, but did it already happen? The angel was simply telling them that Jesus the one prophesied was born, but his mission as such was yet to come during his life time on this earth. A baby can’t even save hinself at berth much less all mankind. HE HAD TO GROW AND MATURE AS AN ADULT AND THEN HE WAS ANOINTED AND BECAME THE MESSIAH OF GOD. YOU ARE STILL FORCING TEXT TO SAY WHAT IN FACT IT IS NOT MEANING. JESUS though destined to be the savior saved nothing till he was offered up by GOD, and died for the sin of the world and completed his “born” mission on this earth. common sense should tell you this T8.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
T8….NICK OR I AM NOT SAYING HE WAS NOT “BORN” TO BE THE SAVIOR OR MESSIAH,
I realise that. But it clearly says: “for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord“.
Whereas both of you deny this and are really saying that he was not born a savior or Christ, or Lord.
That is what you are saying. By extension of this, you deny that he was any of these things for most of his life too. It wasn’t till he was around 30 that he was baptized and then he died a few years later. And the reason you hold on to this is because of the repercussions such a verse would have on other doctrines you hold to. But I do not see this as an honest approach to scripture. I prefer that there were honest seekers here in the forums or at least a higher percentage of such.
T8…. YES “BORN” FOR YOU, NONE OF THE PROCESS OF SALVATION, DOES AWAY WITH HIM BE “BORN” FOR THE PURPOSE OF BEING THE SAVIOR, WE ARE SAYING IT ALL DID NOT HAPPEN AT HIS BERTH EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS HIS DESTINY, AS YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE HE ALREADY WAS THAT AT HIS BERTH, WHY IS THAT ?, IS IT BECAUSE YOU FALSELY BELIEVE HE PREEXISTED HIS BERTH ON THIS EARTH?
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi T8,
You accuse other of not having an honest approach to scripture?
You offer one verse as some sort of proof of your ideas?
Are you that immature in the ways of God?
So you admit that this one verse is too difficult for you to answer? That is what I hear. I only need this one scripture to slay your teaching. But I have others. But I don’t need reinforcements at the moment.
Gene, no matter what you say, you cannot actually say that Jesus was born the savior, Christ, and Lord. The spirit in you does not allow it does it?
I never said such a thing, so why do you accuse? What you want is for me to show other scriptures and dodge this one. No, answer me truthfully and deal with this and we can move on when it has been addressed. Reading between the lines Nick, I can see you are saying to move on because you do not have an answer for this. You can’t say yes or no and that makes me wonder where your words are really coming from.
T8….SO TELL US HOW JESUS AT HIS BERTH SAVED ANYONE, SEENING YOU BELIEVE HE ALREADY WAS A SAVIOR AT BERTH. THEN WHY DID HE HAVE TO DO WHAT HE DO IF HE WAS ALREADY A SAVIOR AT BERTH. NO ONE HERE IS SAYING THAT HE WAS NOT HIS “DESTENED” TO BE THE SAVIOR AT BERTH T8. BUT THE SAVING PART TOOK PLACE LATER OVER HIS LIFE TIME, NOT AT BERTH. Common sense 101.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi GB,
He cannot understand because he has no awareness of the transforming power of the Spirit.
Trapped in intellectualism he has no awareness of the wind you cannot see.
Ha ha. It is an honor to stand by God’s word and be ridiculed by self-professed wise men.
Yes the Christ was born in a manger. When he was born, he was the Lord.
I can hear the screams from here.
Jesus was born the Christ and the Lord.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
You preach a Jesus who was a mere shell and when God came inside and controlled him like a puppet, then he was something else, i.e. God controlling a man, a sort of Punch and Judy show if you like.
No thanks. You can’t tempt me away from the message in scripture.
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