The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block

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  • #816512
    AndrewAD
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    “Yes some find beauty in religion.

    Buildings, incense, rituals and music

    But is it relevant to the service of the God of Israel?”

    The OT God of Israel seemed to like all these things and supposedly he’s never changed,so why would he not like them now?

    #816516
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew,

    Rev 18

    So will Babylon, the great city,be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer.

    And the sound of harpists and musicians and flute players and trumpeters will not be heard you any longer;

    and no craftsmen of any craft will be found in you any longer;

    and the sound of a mill will not be heard in you any longer;

    and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer;

    and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer…

    #816522
    princess
    Participant

    Hello Nick,

    Are you saying Jesus was the only man on this earth that only had a pure connection with the spirit?

    Personally, I do not have to attain an unachievable goal of becoming god like.

    I am satisfied with being created from stars, planets, moons. Not so bottled necked in my genetics.

    I am also quite in form with knowing the spirit of truth was not contained to just a fleeting moment of time. With the uplifting knowledge that the shedding of blood is not my baseline to bring me to the light of truth as some forms of religion believe. Especially the ones that use bloodshed of humanity or genocide for the gods.

    #816523
    princess
    Participant

    @Nick,

    Such doom and gloom. What is it that uplifts your heart that you give praise and prayer for having this in your life.

    #816525
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @kerwin


    @GeneBalthrop

    Do you plan on changing body type after you die and go on to everlasting life? Specifically, you have an earthly body now, are you hoping to have a heavenly body someday which is different than the one you have now? If so, how will it be different?

    #816528
    NickHassan
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    Hi Princess,

    Yes God hates the whore of Babylon and the warnings for those in her are stark.

    it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

     

    But the message of the world is much more comforting.

    #816529
    GeneBalthrop
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    LU…The only difference is that body will be a Body that can LIVE FOREVER, JUST AS JESUS’ ” body” now is. DO you belive you will be a spirit that drifts around in “arid” OR DRY places looking for a “body” to find rest IN ? THE WORD “HEAVENLY BODY”, SIMPLY APPLIES TO A BODY MADE BY GOD HIMSELF, like ADAMS AND EVE’S WERE, THEY COULD HAVE LIVED FOREVER WITH THOSE BODIES, ACCORDING TO GOD. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT BODY WAS LIKE, GO READ THE VALLEY OF DRY BONES IN SCRIPTURES, EZK 37:1-14

    SPIRITS are not bodies, they want and desire to live in bodies. 2Cor 5:1 ..For we know that if our earthely house of this tabernacle (body) were desolved, we have a building of GOD, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens . For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon “WITH” our house (body) which is from heaven: if so be that being cloth we shall not be found naked. 4, For we that are in this tabernacle (body) do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but cloth upon that which goes over a “body”, why? that mortality might be swallowed up of life. GET IT, It’s ABOUT BEING CHANGED FROM MORTALITY TO IMMORTALITY, NOT EXISTING WITHOUT A BODY, BUT Existing with an immortal “body” given from GOD THE FATHER, A HEAVENLY BODY, A BODY NOT RECIEVED BY INTERCOURSE BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMEN, BUT DIRECTLY FROM GOD OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, BUT A REAL BODY, NONE THE LESS. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

    #816532
    kerwin
    Participant

    @Lightenup,

    According to Paul the body that is planted is not the body arises. The example of this is Jesus who was planted in a mortal body and arose in an immortal body that bore the marks of his self-sacrifice. All the dead, both the wicked and righteous, will likewise rise from the dead in an immortal body. That body like Jesus’ will be flesh and bone because Scripture cannot be broken.

    What do you mean by “earthly”? It is a term that Scriptures uses to speak of the earth of the present age of decay. The earth of the future age as well and the age of genesis are different. The current world is bound to corrupt but neither the one of the time before the world or the world to come were or will be.

    #816534
    kerwin
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    @Princess,

    Personally, I do not have to attain an [un-achievable] goal of becoming god like.

    That is why Jesus said that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to go to heaven.

    All of us are rich humans but what is impossible for a human is possible for God. Have faith and believe.

    #816536
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    “All of us are rich humans”- that’s quite debatable ,and Jesus preached the good news to the poor so no they were not rich in this life.My belief is they had to eat un-kosher foods and couldn’t afford the sacrifices of the temple.That’s why what Jesus preached was good news to them.

    #816537
    princess
    Participant

    No it’s not Kerwin. that sentence reflected you can’t buy your way in to heaven, hence coined the phrase ‘you cannot take it with you’.

    It is impossible for a camel to go through an eye of a needle.

    Why take the words and add to them?

     

    #816540
    princess
    Participant

    Hi Princess,

    Hi Nick,

    Yes God hates the whore of Babylon and the warnings for those in her are stark.

    yes it is, I believe it all started with the book she wrote.

    it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    ah….your not very positive person are you Nick?

    But the message of the world is much more comforting.

    but you can be sarcastic…….

     

    #816541
    princess
    Participant

    “All of us are rich humans”- that’s quite debatable ,and Jesus preached the good news to the poor so no they were not rich in this life. My belief is they had to eat un-kosher foods and couldn’t afford the sacrifices of the temple. That’s why what Jesus preached was good news to them.

    Being rich can have multiple meanings Andrew, currency is one. Being rich in the spirit is another, being rich with blessings, being rich in loving and being loved. Some of us are rich beyond compare but couldn’t lend you a dollar. Chin up Andrew!

    I have not studied the daily lives during that time. So I wouldn’t know if that was true or not. Perhaps you could share how you come to the conclusion.

     

     

     

    #816542
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi princess,

    Should we only offer what ears like?

    It is not about us but about what is written.

    #816543
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Princess,

    What was Jesus point in the verse about the rich not obtaining heaven? could one be spiritually rich yet not not obtain it?

    #816544
    princess
    Participant

    Oh no Nick not at all.

    However……even Jesus took a break and shared the nicer things in life.

    and yes it is all about us because it was given to us.

     

    #816545
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Are you rich princess? I suppose or perceive you share a “house” with Mia and LU?  perhaps a rich trinity if you will?

    #816546
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi LU!

    The Spirit of the Son is the Holy Spirit shared with the Father.

    God is Spirit.

    The Word was God.

    LU was preaching this when you were preaching something else Nick.

    When you changed your mind and adopted Lu’s view (with or without her influence), does that mean you were wrong before and LU was right?

    #816548
    princess
    Participant

    I don’t want for anything Andrew.

    Oh LU and I have never shared the same house.

    I do know that temple dogs are still needed, you interested?

    Just you let me know, by my understand you can make all the riches your heart desires.

     

     

     

     

    #816553
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Oh and just what is a temple dog? I don’t recall that from the bible,and just why should it apply to me?

    So you,Mia, and LU don’t share the same human body? can you swear that before Yahweh? just wondering.

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