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Quote (kerwin @ June 24 2014,03:45) T Mark 10:27
New English Translation (NET)27 Jesus looked at them and replied, “This is impossible for mere humans, but not for God; all things are possible for God.”
Luke 18:27
New English Translation (NET)27 He replied, “What is impossible for mere humans is possible for God.”
KMk 10:27 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.” NIV
THIS IS A BETTER TRANSLATION THAN THE ONE YOU PRESENTED ;
FOR ALL TIME GOD HAS BEEN “WITH”HIS PEOPLE ,AND SO I DON'T THINK JESUS WOULD CHANGE THAT ,
WHILE YOUR VERSION MEANS THAT TO GOD ALL IS POSSIBLE WELL IN A MATTER OF SPEECH YES BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING TO THE ONE THAT EAR THIS
IT IS JUST LIKE SAYING “JOHN IS STRONG “BUT IF WE SAY “WITH JOHN YOU ARE STRONG ,SEE THIS IS DIFFERENT ;
AND THIS IS THE WAY OF THE SCRIPTURES ;ALL AWAY THROUGH THEM ;
SO THE 'NET BIBLE IS WRONG ON THIS ONE “
Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,05:49) Gene, I believe God as Adam and Even did die though their souls are at res in Sheol, the realm of the dead. They died because their temple, their body, died even though their soul departed and descended to Sheol. Their soul was not destroyed when they died though their body was as man can only kill the body and not the soul.
You do not believe the words of Jesus; who stated Jehovah is the God of the living, even Abraham, whose body lied dead in its grave.
You seemed to be getting it when you speculated the the identity of a person is in the breath, even to making it sound like a shade. Since then you have not investigated that hypothesis of yours but have rejected the possibility that the breath and soul are one and the same even though there are connections.
Kerwin………They did not die because they were tempral they died because they SINNED. It had nothing to do with them being made in a Temperial , God intended for them to live Just as he had made them forever and they cpould have had they be allowed to eat of the tree of Life.Kerwin you say YOU BLELIEVE , biut no SCEIPTURES SPECIFFICALLY say what you are saying , is that not how all these False teachings and Doctrines Get started here in the First place?
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 26 2014,01:04) Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,05:49) Gene, I believe God as Adam and Even did die though their souls are at res in Sheol, the realm of the dead. They died because their temple, their body, died even though their soul departed and descended to Sheol. Their soul was not destroyed when they died though their body was as man can only kill the body and not the soul.
You do not believe the words of Jesus; who stated Jehovah is the God of the living, even Abraham, whose body lied dead in its grave.
You seemed to be getting it when you speculated the the identity of a person is in the breath, even to making it sound like a shade. Since then you have not investigated that hypothesis of yours but have rejected the possibility that the breath and soul are one and the same even though there are connections.
Kerwin………They did not die because they were tempral they died because they SINNED. It had nothing to do with them being made in a Temperial , God intended for them to live Just as he had made them forever and they cpould have had they be allowed to eat of the tree of Life.Kerwin you say YOU BLELIEVE , biut no SCEIPTURES SPECIFFICALLY say what you are saying , is that not how all these False teachings and Doctrines Get started here in the First place?
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
HYPOTHETICAL.WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO ADAM AND EVE; IF THEY HAD REFUSED SATAN?
This is not possible,because God had all things planned
ahead of time. Mankind would be living in ignorance of
GOOD AND EVIL. They could never be the sons of God.Because they would never know that God is good.
And the serpent is evil.All sons of God must know that God is good,and creator of all things. The serpent is not the creator;even if he claims to be.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
If Adam had not sinned then at the proper time God would have had mankind eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and then because they were mature enough for that knowledge they would have been allowed to eat of the tree of life.
Satan took advantage of the immaturity of mankind and so God did not see their sin as one that could not be forgiven.
That is a hypothesis.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2014,20:04) Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,05:49) Gene, I believe God as Adam and Even did die though their souls are at res in Sheol, the realm of the dead. They died because their temple, their body, died even though their soul departed and descended to Sheol. Their soul was not destroyed when they died though their body was as man can only kill the body and not the soul.
You do not believe the words of Jesus; who stated Jehovah is the God of the living, even Abraham, whose body lied dead in its grave.
You seemed to be getting it when you speculated the the identity of a person is in the breath, even to making it sound like a shade. Since then you have not investigated that hypothesis of yours but have rejected the possibility that the breath and soul are one and the same even though there are connections.
Kerwin………They did not die because they were tempral they died because they SINNED. It had nothing to do with them being made in a Temperial , God intended for them to live Just as he had made them forever and they cpould have had they be allowed to eat of the tree of Life.Kerwin you say YOU BLELIEVE , biut no SCEIPTURES SPECIFFICALLY say what you are saying , is that not how all these False teachings and Doctrines Get started here in the First place?
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Gene,I did not mention “temporal” because everything is of God's concern. I do not follow the temporal vs spiritual doctrine as it is derived by a misunderstanding of another idea that is voiced in Scripture.
I believe heaven is both spiritual and physical in nature just like earth. It occupies other dimensions and angels have the ability to switch between the dimensions of the heavens and of earth.
What I essentially stated is that according to God's words Abraham was still alive even though his body laid dead in its burial place.
If you want to claim the breath, or the life it imparts, is the soul then I have no solid case it is not so. On the other hand the soul is clearly not the whole person.
Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2014,04:29) Quote (kerwin @ June 24 2014,03:45) T Mark 10:27
New English Translation (NET)27 Jesus looked at them and replied, “This is impossible for mere humans, but not for God; all things are possible for God.”
Luke 18:27
New English Translation (NET)27 He replied, “What is impossible for mere humans is possible for God.”
KMk 10:27 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.” NIV
THIS IS A BETTER TRANSLATION THAN THE ONE YOU PRESENTED ;
FOR ALL TIME GOD HAS BEEN “WITH”HIS PEOPLE ,AND SO I DON'T THINK JESUS WOULD CHANGE THAT ,
WHILE YOUR VERSION MEANS THAT TO GOD ALL IS POSSIBLE WELL IN A MATTER OF SPEECH YES BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING TO THE ONE THAT EAR THIS
IT IS JUST LIKE SAYING “JOHN IS STRONG “BUT IF WE SAY “WITH JOHN YOU ARE STRONG ,SEE THIS IS DIFFERENT ;
AND THIS IS THE WAY OF THE SCRIPTURES ;ALL AWAY THROUGH THEM ;
SO THE 'NET BIBLE IS WRONG ON THIS ONE “
T,I see the difference is interpretation of that one verse but considering then context it means they same thing no mater what translation is used.
Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2014,06:05) Wakeup, If Adam had not sinned then at the proper time God would have had mankind eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and then because they were mature enough for that knowledge they would have been allowed to eat of the tree of life.
Satan took advantage of the immaturity of mankind and so God did not see their sin as one that could not be forgiven.
That is a hypothesis.
Kerwin.And you claim that God does not know his own plan.
And left it to Adam and Eve for the outcome?wakeup.
Wakeup,
God could have created man just as he did angels but he chose not to. He chose to create mankind in an immature state. I have no idea why he chose to let them be tempted by Satan. I do know he has his reasons and they are righteous.
Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2014,15:09) Wakeup, God could have created man just as he did angels but he chose not to. He chose to create mankind in an immature state. I have no idea why he chose to let them be tempted by Satan. I do know he has his reasons and they are righteous.
Kerwin.You should know by now.
His whole plan is to create spirit children,but must start with the flesh to know good and evil.
Through His Word we are spirtually transformed into holy children.Knowing good and evll.
And have chosen good instead of evil.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2014,06:21) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2014,20:04) Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,05:49) Gene, I believe God as Adam and Even did die though their souls are at res in Sheol, the realm of the dead. They died because their temple, their body, died even though their soul departed and descended to Sheol. Their soul was not destroyed when they died though their body was as man can only kill the body and not the soul.
You do not believe the words of Jesus; who stated Jehovah is the God of the living, even Abraham, whose body lied dead in its grave.
You seemed to be getting it when you speculated the the identity of a person is in the breath, even to making it sound like a shade. Since then you have not investigated that hypothesis of yours but have rejected the possibility that the breath and soul are one and the same even though there are connections.
Kerwin………They did not die because they were tempral they died because they SINNED. It had nothing to do with them being made in a Temperial , God intended for them to live Just as he had made them forever and they cpould have had they be allowed to eat of the tree of Life.Kerwin you say YOU BLELIEVE , biut no SCEIPTURES SPECIFFICALLY say what you are saying , is that not how all these False teachings and Doctrines Get started here in the First place?
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Gene,I did not mention “temporal” because everything is of God's concern. I do not follow the temporal vs spiritual doctrine as it is derived by a misunderstanding of another idea that is voiced in Scripture.
I believe heaven is both spiritual and physical in nature just like earth. It occupies other dimensions and angels have the ability to switch between the dimensions of the heavens and of earth.
What I essentially stated is that according to God's words Abraham was still alive even though his body laid dead in its burial place.
If you want to claim the breath, or the life it imparts, is the soul then I have no solid case it is not so. On the other hand the soul is clearly not the whole person.
Kerwin………So when God said His SOUL hated something that Just means “PART” of Him, and where it say You must affelect you Souls by FASTING (depriving you body of food and water) that just mean a soul not the body also?Kerwin i maintain the Spoul is the COMPLETE PERSON not just part of Him as you assume brother.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2014,01:41) Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2014,04:29) Quote (kerwin @ June 24 2014,03:45) T Mark 10:27
New English Translation (NET)27 Jesus looked at them and replied, “This is impossible for mere humans, but not for God; all things are possible for God.”
Luke 18:27
New English Translation (NET)27 He replied, “What is impossible for mere humans is possible for God.”
KMk 10:27 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.” NIV
THIS IS A BETTER TRANSLATION THAN THE ONE YOU PRESENTED ;
FOR ALL TIME GOD HAS BEEN “WITH”HIS PEOPLE ,AND SO I DON'T THINK JESUS WOULD CHANGE THAT ,
WHILE YOUR VERSION MEANS THAT TO GOD ALL IS POSSIBLE WELL IN A MATTER OF SPEECH YES BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING TO THE ONE THAT EAR THIS
IT IS JUST LIKE SAYING “JOHN IS STRONG “BUT IF WE SAY “WITH JOHN YOU ARE STRONG ,SEE THIS IS DIFFERENT ;
AND THIS IS THE WAY OF THE SCRIPTURES ;ALL AWAY THROUGH THEM ;
SO THE 'NET BIBLE IS WRONG ON THIS ONE “
T,I see the difference is interpretation of that one verse but considering then context it means they same thing no mater what translation is used.
Kat least you have see the difference ,what you do with it is your affair ,
gene
Quote (depriving you body of food and water) that just mean a soul not the body also? tell me according to scriptures DOES THE SOUL EAT AND DRINK THE SAME THAN THE BODY
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 26 2014,20:08) Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2014,06:21) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2014,20:04) Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,05:49) Gene, I believe God as Adam and Even did die though their souls are at res in Sheol, the realm of the dead. They died because their temple, their body, died even though their soul departed and descended to Sheol. Their soul was not destroyed when they died though their body was as man can only kill the body and not the soul.
You do not believe the words of Jesus; who stated Jehovah is the God of the living, even Abraham, whose body lied dead in its grave.
You seemed to be getting it when you speculated the the identity of a person is in the breath, even to making it sound like a shade. Since then you have not investigated that hypothesis of yours but have rejected the possibility that the breath and soul are one and the same even though there are connections.
Kerwin………They did not die because they were tempral they died because they SINNED. It had nothing to do with them being made in a Temperial , God intended for them to live Just as he had made them forever and they cpould have had they be allowed to eat of the tree of Life.Kerwin you say YOU BLELIEVE , biut no SCEIPTURES SPECIFFICALLY say what you are saying , is that not how all these False teachings and Doctrines Get started here in the First place?
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Gene,I did not mention “temporal” because everything is of God's concern. I do not follow the temporal vs spiritual doctrine as it is derived by a misunderstanding of another idea that is voiced in Scripture.
I believe heaven is both spiritual and physical in nature just like earth. It occupies other dimensions and angels have the ability to switch between the dimensions of the heavens and of earth.
What I essentially stated is that according to God's words Abraham was still alive even though his body laid dead in its burial place.
If you want to claim the breath, or the life it imparts, is the soul then I have no solid case it is not so. On the other hand the soul is clearly not the whole person.
Kerwin………So when God said His SOUL hated something that Just means “PART” of Him, and where it say You must affelect you Souls by FASTING (depriving you body of food and water) that just mean a soul not the body also?Kerwin i maintain the Spoul is the COMPLETE PERSON not just part of Him as you assume brother.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Gene,The desires of your soul are your deepest and most essential ones.
Psalms 42:1
King James BibleTo the chief Musician, Maschil, for the sons of Korah. As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.
Quote Definition
a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotionGenesis 23:8
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)8 And he communed with them, saying, If it be your mind that I should bury my dead out of my sight; hear me, and intreat for me to Ephron the son of Zohar,
In this case the experts translated soul to mind and in doing so hid a clue to the meaning of soul.
In short the seat of God's passion hates evil and loves good. The rest goes along for the ride because God is in harmony with himself. It is not the same with those that hunger and thirst but do not have.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 26 2014,11:27) Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2014,15:09) Wakeup, God could have created man just as he did angels but he chose not to. He chose to create mankind in an immature state. I have no idea why he chose to let them be tempted by Satan. I do know he has his reasons and they are righteous.
Kerwin.You should know by now.
His whole plan is to create spirit children,but must start with the flesh to know good and evil.
Through His Word we are spirtually transformed into holy children.Knowing good and evll.
And have chosen good instead of evil.wakeup.
Wakeup,According to Scripture man was created upright and then he chose to go in search of many schemes.
So from the beginning of their creation men were spiritual but then they chose natural. If they chose it by blaspheme the Holy Spirit then there would be no hope for them thus I conclude they, unlike the angels that fell, were immature.
God already had the angels and so does not need human beings to be angels.
Kerwin……..Tell me what does the word YOU mean to you, does it mean just PART of you or ALL of YOU, now if God said YOU shall Surely DIE was he only referencing Part of a Person or all of a person, and when he said “YOU”, “ARE” dust, and To dust “YOU” shall RETURN, was he just referencing PART of the, “YOU”, or ALL, of the “YOU” ?
PeacE and love to you and yours………………..gene
Gene,
The soul is the essential part of the body but a soul without a body is an incomplete person a shade of who they were in life. It may be a naked soul is similar to a person with Alzheimer. They also lack the other traits the body gives them though they seem to at least have a weak substitution for some of them.
When they live inside their body then they are a complete human being.
Demons seek to live in a human body. They are called spirits. Are they souls? Sometimes the word spirit and souls seems to be used interchangeably.
hi t8
yes i believe so that demons are souls looking for a body ,and when they enter the body of a human they push aside the soul what lives in it ,this is to take over the body
hi t8
yes i believe so that demons are souls looking for a body ,and when they enter the body of a human they push aside the soul what lives in it ,this is to take over the body
There was a belief similar to that around the time of Jesus but from what I understand those that held that belief did not belief demons were fallen angels.
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