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Gene,
Soul is mentioned a lot in Scripture and English translations are not consistent on translating it. It would take a long time going through them all nor do I have to as all I need is one exception to disprove your all statement and I have given at least two.
T,
Quote 1)all. heart ; we understand that this represent the deepest thought and sentiments we have acquired and kept , It is the spirit that knows the deep thoughts of a man.
1 Corinthians 2:11
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)11 for who of men hath known the things of the man, except the spirit of the man that [is] in him? so also the things of God no one hath known, except the Spirit of God.
Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2014,06:30) T, Quote 1)all. heart ; we understand that this represent the deepest thought and sentiments we have acquired and kept , It is the spirit that knows the deep thoughts of a man.
1 Corinthians 2:11
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)11 for who of men hath known the things of the man, except the spirit of the man that [is] in him? so also the things of God no one hath known, except the Spirit of God.
Kerwin, do you also throw out the word DEAD becasue a person is not really DEAD Right, Jesus Lied also becasue he told us He was DEAD, now i do not know about you biut the Word DEAD is the oppisit of ALIVE , English 101.God plainly said the Soul that sin shall DIE, but you say a Soul that Sins does not die. Seem we have a countardiction between what you are saying and what GOD Said, I wonder who are we to believe Kerwin?
peace and love to you and yuors………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 22 2014,07:16) Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2014,06:30) T, Quote 1)all. heart ; we understand that this represent the deepest thought and sentiments we have acquired and kept , It is the spirit that knows the deep thoughts of a man.
1 Corinthians 2:11
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)11 for who of men hath known the things of the man, except the spirit of the man that [is] in him? so also the things of God no one hath known, except the Spirit of God.
Kerwin, do you also throw out the word DEAD becasue a person is not really DEAD Right, Jesus Lied also becasue he told us He was DEAD, now i do not know about you biut the Word DEAD is the oppisit of ALIVE , English 101.God plainly said the Soul that sin shall DIE, but you say a Soul that Sins does not die. Seem we have a countardiction between what you are saying and what GOD Said, I wonder who are we to believe Kerwin?
peace and love to you and yuors………………gene
genebe thankful to God that he did not kill your soul until judgment ,so that the resurrection could show us who we are in the eyes of God,for then the judgment will by no means fail to be executed ,that is “THE SOUL THAT SIN WILL DIE ” because their will be no more sacrifice for redemption ;that's it end of the roll
Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2014,01:30) T, Quote 1)all. heart ; we understand that this represent the deepest thought and sentiments we have acquired and kept , It is the spirit that knows the deep thoughts of a man.
1 Corinthians 2:11
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)11 for who of men hath known the things of the man, except the spirit of the man that [is] in him? so also the things of God no one hath known, except the Spirit of God.
Kso are we in agreement
you ,I and the scriptures on #1Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 22 2014,07:16) Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2014,06:30) T, Quote 1)all. heart ; we understand that this represent the deepest thought and sentiments we have acquired and kept , It is the spirit that knows the deep thoughts of a man.
1 Corinthians 2:11
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)11 for who of men hath known the things of the man, except the spirit of the man that [is] in him? so also the things of God no one hath known, except the Spirit of God.
Kerwin, do you also throw out the word DEAD becasue a person is not really DEAD Right, Jesus Lied also becasue he told us He was DEAD, now i do not know about you biut the Word DEAD is the oppisit of ALIVE , English 101.God plainly said the Soul that sin shall DIE, but you say a Soul that Sins does not die. Seem we have a countardiction between what you are saying and what GOD Said, I wonder who are we to believe Kerwin?
peace and love to you and yuors………………gene
Gene,The soul that sin dies but God does remember the sins committed before hand of the man who turns away from all his sins and does all that is righteous. Such men have eternal life.
Until the last day men will die by in that day some will change without dying even though they have sinned in the past.
We both agree the body dies and rests in its burial place. Our differences is the fate of the soul which you believe is the combination of a body a the breath of life and I believe is the naked man that dwells in the tent of the body.
2 Corinthians 5:1-4
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)5 For we have known that if our earthly house of the tabernacle may be thrown down, a building from God we have, an house not made with hands — age-during — in the heavens,
2 for also in this we groan, with our dwelling that is from heaven earnestly desiring to clothe ourselves,
3 if so be that, having clothed ourselves, we shall not be found naked,
4 for we also who are in the tabernacle do groan, being burdened, seeing we wish not to unclothe ourselves, but to clothe ourselves, that the mortal may be swallowed up of the life.T
Quote 3)all. might ;would this not rather be our will power to do ; That the power of the soul and spirit to do are covered by the soul and spirit with only the might of the body left unanswered.
Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,08:16) Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2014,01:30) T, Quote 1)all. heart ; we understand that this represent the deepest thought and sentiments we have acquired and kept , It is the spirit that knows the deep thoughts of a man.
1 Corinthians 2:11
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)11 for who of men hath known the things of the man, except the spirit of the man that [is] in him? so also the things of God no one hath known, except the Spirit of God.
Kso are we in agreement
you ,I and the scriptures on #1
T,And number 2 as well.
Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2014,10:30) T Quote 3)all. might ;would this not rather be our will power to do ; That the power of the soul and spirit to do are covered by the soul and spirit with only the might of the body left unanswered.
K1CO 9:23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.
Phil 2:14 Do all things without grumbling or disputing;
Phil 4:13 I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.DT 10:12 “ Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul,
no division in us ;all for the Lord our God
JER 30:9 ‘But they shall serve the LORD their God and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.
Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2014,15:27) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 22 2014,07:16) Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2014,06:30) T, Quote 1)all. heart ; we understand that this represent the deepest thought and sentiments we have acquired and kept , It is the spirit that knows the deep thoughts of a man.
1 Corinthians 2:11
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)11 for who of men hath known the things of the man, except the spirit of the man that [is] in him? so also the things of God no one hath known, except the Spirit of God.
Kerwin, do you also throw out the word DEAD becasue a person is not really DEAD Right, Jesus Lied also becasue he told us He was DEAD, now i do not know about you biut the Word DEAD is the oppisit of ALIVE , English 101.God plainly said the Soul that sin shall DIE, but you say a Soul that Sins does not die. Seem we have a countardiction between what you are saying and what GOD Said, I wonder who are we to believe Kerwin?
peace and love to you and yuors………………gene
Gene,The soul that sin dies but God does remember the sins committed before hand of the man who turns away from all his sins and does all that is righteous. Such men have eternal life.
Until the last day men will die by in that day some will change without dying even though they have sinned in the past.
We both agree the body dies and rests in its burial place. Our differences is the fate of the soul which you believe is the combination of a body a the breath of life and I believe is the naked man that dwells in the tent of the body.
2 Corinthians 5:1-4
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)5 For we have known that if our earthly house of the tabernacle may be thrown down, a building from God we have, an house not made with hands — age-during — in the heavens,
2 for also in this we groan, with our dwelling that is from heaven earnestly desiring to clothe ourselves,
3 if so be that, having clothed ourselves, we shall not be found naked,
4 for we also who are in the tabernacle do groan, being burdened, seeing we wish not to unclothe ourselves, but to clothe ourselves, that the mortal may be swallowed up of the life.
Kerwin………Lets quit beating around the bush, Bottom line is you and others here do not believe what God told Adam and Eve, you believe what Satan told them, and that is . YOU SHALL NOT “SURELY DIE”So your God's words are false it seems, and Satan's words are true and right. Well I for one Know, I have sinned in my life, and the penility for sin IS DEATH, and DEATH truly Means DEATH. I realize you do not believe that, but I do. I believe the scripture that says all have sinned, all DIE I do not coat it over with some delusional idea that Death means still alive.
My “ONLY HOPE” is in a “RESURECTION that will WITINESS the “REEDEMPTION” of MY BODY”. My Savior was raised from the DEAD with a LIVE BODY, that He now has and will forever. You can play the pagans Mystery ideas of Life after death in the nether world all you want , but common sense should tell you , WHY WOULD WE EVEN NEED A “RESURECTED BODY” IN THE FIRST PLACE IF WE JUST CONTINUE TO LIVE AFTER DEATH.
You and others here have simply bought into another of Satans LIES IMO. I assure you Kerwin when you DIE you will be TRULY and COMPLETELY “DEAD” , not body with any Soul in it left and untill the resurection occures you are just gone every bit of you, forever, God alone must make a COMPLETE NEW BODY and PUT the BREATH of LIFE into the Nostrils for us to ever again become a “LIVING SOUL” Just as he did with Adam in the beginning.
What parts of Ezekiel in the velly of dried bone you people do not understand , have you ever ask why God said, that only then would they Know He was God, “AFTER” He brought them out from there dead state by makeing them a New BODY and Breath the breath of life back into them, Why only then would they realize he was God, why not when the were Still alive in the grave as you believe, would they not realize he was God it.
Believe as you will , MY ONLY HOPE IS IN THE RESURECTION from the DEAD,after I DIE, Just like my Savior Jesus Had.
peace and love to you AND YUORS………………….gene
Gene,
I believe God as Adam and Even did die though their souls are at res in Sheol, the realm of the dead. They died because their temple, their body, died even though their soul departed and descended to Sheol. Their soul was not destroyed when they died though their body was as man can only kill the body and not the soul.
You do not believe the words of Jesus; who stated Jehovah is the God of the living, even Abraham, whose body lied dead in its grave.
You seemed to be getting it when you speculated the the identity of a person is in the breath, even to making it sound like a shade. Since then you have not investigated that hypothesis of yours but have rejected the possibility that the breath and soul are one and the same even though there are connections.
Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,11:12) Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2014,10:30) T Quote 3)all. might ;would this not rather be our will power to do ; That the power of the soul and spirit to do are covered by the soul and spirit with only the might of the body left unanswered.
K1CO 9:23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.
Phil 2:14 Do all things without grumbling or disputing;
Phil 4:13 I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.DT 10:12 “ Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul,
no division in us ;all for the Lord our God
JER 30:9 ‘But they shall serve the LORD their God and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.
T,Loving God is about doing things that loving in the same way God is loving.
Loving God with all your soul includes loving God with all the might of your soul and all other aspects of the soul. The same with spirit. Once you have done these things it is only the body that is left, the body you use to do as God instructs. So it is the strength of the body that performs those actions and which thinks and speaks those words.
Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,01:03) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,11:12) Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2014,10:30) T Quote 3)all. might ;would this not rather be our will power to do ; That the power of the soul and spirit to do are covered by the soul and spirit with only the might of the body left unanswered.
K1CO 9:23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.
Phil 2:14 Do all things without grumbling or disputing;
Phil 4:13 I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.DT 10:12 “ Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul,
no division in us ;all for the Lord our God
JER 30:9 ‘But they shall serve the LORD their God and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.
T,Loving God is about doing things that loving in the same way God is loving.
Loving God with all your soul includes loving God with all the might of your soul and all other aspects of the soul. The same with spirit. Once you have done these things it is only the body that is left, the body you use to do as God instructs. So it is the strength of the body that performs those actions and which thinks and speaks those words.
ki THINK that Christ show us what it is the love of God;
it is simply living for the interest of others first ,then your self
Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,06:36) T, He did it while I am still learning how to do it.
Kit will be hard to do as time goes on and wickedness increases ,that is where that love will downgrade it self
as scriptures says ,
but we have to continue to develop it because it will be the rules in the new kingdom of God
Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,08:43) T, Yes, as nothing is impossible for God.
KMK 10:27 Looking at them, Jesus *said, “ With people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God.”
LK 18:27 But He said, “ The things that are impossible with people are possible with God.”
scriptures says WITH GOD NOT WHAT YOU SAY ;
THEIR IS A DIFFERENCE
T,
Not really, but I think I understand how you are looking at it and I have no objection with understanding that way either.
Quote (kerwin @ June 24 2014,00:13) T, Not really, but I think I understand how you are looking at it and I have no objection with understanding that way either.
Kall things are FOR God POSSIBLE OR nothing is impossible for God.
this is not a true statement ;THIS DOES NOT EVEN APPEAR IN SCRIPTURES ;NOW IF WE SAY ;ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE WITHGOD ;THIS MEAN THAT IF WE ARE AND STAY ON GOD SIDE ,ALL OUR HARDSHIP CAN BE OVERCOME,
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