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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2014,08:33) Hi T,
Try acts 10 34-35
Nit is you that quoted verse 29 to be applied to all ,
see your quote
Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2014,09:36) Now I did not propose that man the breath was a living soul before it entered flesh as that hypothesis seems to be disproved by the words “became a living soul”
kerwin………What became a “LIVING SOUL” was it not the flesh body God made after God put the breath of life in the mans nostrils and then he became ( which means “came to be” ) A “LIVING SOUL”, or a living being.The word soul simply means the complete being kerwin, even the LORD our God said his soul hated some things.
My point is the word SOUL implies the complete “BEING”, not just part of one. a man himself “IS” what a LIVING SOUL “IS”, a soul is not just part of a person it is the “COMPLETE” person.
That's my Point Kerwin.
peace and love to you and yours…………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2014,09:52) Hi GB,
Is offering you the scriptures to show you the way back now called ranting?Are we no longer brothers?
Nick……..we are still brothers, but you carry on so, at times. Now do me this one favor , start in Genesis, and find every where the word soul is written through the Old Testament , there are hundreds of places and just see if it is not pertaining the the WHOLE PERSON, not just PART of HIM.I Am in a hurry now, but will get back to you later brother.
Peace and love to you and yours Nick……………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 13 2014,19:20) Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2014,09:36) Now I did not propose that man the breath was a living soul before it entered flesh as that hypothesis seems to be disproved by the words “became a living soul”
kerwin………What became a “LIVING SOUL” was it not the flesh body God made after God put the breath of life in the mans nostrils and then he became ( which means “came to be” ) A “LIVING SOUL”, or a living being.The word soul simply means the complete being kerwin, even the LORD our God said his soul hated some things.
My point is the word SOUL implies the complete “BEING”, not just part of one. a man himself “IS” what a LIVING SOUL “IS”, a soul is not just part of a person it is the “COMPLETE” person.
That's my Point Kerwin.
peace and love to you and yours…………gene
Gene,Most living beings have living souls but plants do not have souls. Most and maybe all animals, all humans, all angels, and God himself have living souls. Translators for their own reasons choose to translate soul to person or being on occasion because they believe in that case it is speaking of the whole the same as saying 9 lives are saved speaks of 9 beings(persons) being saved. Flesh can also be used in the same way such as in the statement “no flesh would be saved”.
So you are claiming that the woman's complete being was departing as she lay dying. It does not fit. It is true that her life was departing as she lay dying and translators sometimes choose to translate soul to life. Is that life the breath of life; of that I am not sure.
Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,00:57) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 13 2014,19:20) Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2014,09:36) Now I did not propose that man the breath was a living soul before it entered flesh as that hypothesis seems to be disproved by the words “became a living soul”
kerwin………What became a “LIVING SOUL” was it not the flesh body God made after God put the breath of life in the mans nostrils and then he became ( which means “came to be” ) A “LIVING SOUL”, or a living being.The word soul simply means the complete being kerwin, even the LORD our God said his soul hated some things.
My point is the word SOUL implies the complete “BEING”, not just part of one. a man himself “IS” what a LIVING SOUL “IS”, a soul is not just part of a person it is the “COMPLETE” person.
That's my Point Kerwin.
peace and love to you and yours…………gene
Gene,Most living beings have living souls but plants do not have souls. Most and maybe all animals, all humans, all angels, and God himself have living souls. Translators for their own reasons choose to translate soul to person or being on occasion because they believe in that case it is speaking of the whole the same as saying 9 lives are saved speaks of 9 beings(persons) being saved. Flesh can also be used in the same way such as in the statement “no flesh would be saved”.
So you are claiming that the woman's complete being was departing as she lay dying. It does not fit. It is true that her life was departing as she lay dying and translators sometimes choose to translate soul to life. Is that life the breath of life; of that I am not sure.
Kerwin………There in lies our difference brother, you believe they “HAVE” a LINING SOUL, and I Believe they “ARE” A LIVING SOUL. I do not believe we “HAVE” a Soul,we ARE a LIVING SOUL. And when we die we are a DEAD Soul, waiting for the resurrection that will wittiness the redemption of OUR BODIES.Soul to me is a COMPLETE INDIVIDUAL BEING and ALL it contains, rather God, Man, or Animal of any kind that exists . IMO
Peace and love to you and yours brother…………………………gene
Gene,
I believe I have a life and can be refereed to as a life. The two are not opposed. As I showed you that translators often translate Koine Greek word for soul(more literally breath) as life so to do that translate the Hebrew word often translated soul to life. You can understand 4 lives were saved that I am speaking of the whole person being saved and not just their life.
It states the woman's soul is departing as she lays dying and not he whole person as it is clear the body remained after the soul and breath were departed.
You are telling me the soul is the complete person when I can clearly see it is not her complete person.
Kerwin…..Do as i ask brother Nick, go through the old testament and read all the places where the word Soul is written and see if is not talking about the complete person.
As far as the women goes her complete existence was was going as she was beginning to die, the breath of life was leaving and she was no longer a “LIVING SOUL” , but a DEAD SOUL, and that Soul will remain dead until the Resurrection of the dead. Just as the book of Ezekiel shows. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………..gene
Nick……Did you get a chance to do what i ask too, does it change your perception a little of what a soul is?
peace and love to you and yours……………gene
gene
Quote Soul to me is a COMPLETE INDIVIDUAL BEING and ALL it contains, rather God, Man, or Animal of any kind that exists . IMO why do you believe that ;
Mt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Ge 2:18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
Ge 2:21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh.
Ge 2:22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
Ge 2:23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,pay attention to what it says ;if you would be right ,IT WOULD SAY AND GOD TOOK A RIB FROM ADAM SOUL ;BUT IT SAYS FLESH ; IF WHAT YOU THINK IS TRUE THEN EVE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED ADAM SOUL
WHAT IS NOT SAID IN SCRIPTURES SHE AD HER VERY OWN SOUL A BEING IS 1) BODY 2)SOUL = A LIVING SOUL – EITHER ANGELS OR GOD OR THE SON OF GOD (THE WORD)THE BODY MAY BE OF ANOTHER UNIVERSE MADE OF WHAT WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND BUT THE PRINCIPAL IS THE SAME
Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,02:37) gene Quote Soul to me is a COMPLETE INDIVIDUAL BEING and ALL it contains, rather God, Man, or Animal of any kind that exists . IMO why do you believe that ;
Mt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Ge 2:18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
Ge 2:21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh.
Ge 2:22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
Ge 2:23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,pay attention to what it says ;if you would be right ,IT WOULD SAY AND GOD TOOK A RIB FROM ADAM SOUL ;BUT IT SAYS FLESH ; IF WHAT YOU THINK IS TRUE THEN EVE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED ADAM SOUL
WHAT IS NOT SAID IN SCRIPTURES SHE AD HER VERY OWN SOUL A BEING IS 1) BODY 2)SOUL = A LIVING SOUL – EITHER ANGELS OR GOD OR THE SON OF GOD (THE WORD)THE BODY MAY BE OF ANOTHER UNIVERSE MADE OF WHAT WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND BUT THE PRINCIPAL IS THE SAME
Terricca……..I will ask you to do the same thing I ask Nick and Kerwinto do, please go and read all the places the word Soul is mentioned in the Old Testament a and see if it is not talking about the whole and complete person and the come back and tell me what you found.Peace and love to you and yours……………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 15 2014,22:31) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,02:37) gene Quote Soul to me is a COMPLETE INDIVIDUAL BEING and ALL it contains, rather God, Man, or Animal of any kind that exists . IMO why do you believe that ;
Mt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Ge 2:18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
Ge 2:21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh.
Ge 2:22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
Ge 2:23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,pay attention to what it says ;if you would be right ,IT WOULD SAY AND GOD TOOK A RIB FROM ADAM SOUL ;BUT IT SAYS FLESH ; IF WHAT YOU THINK IS TRUE THEN EVE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED ADAM SOUL
WHAT IS NOT SAID IN SCRIPTURES SHE AD HER VERY OWN SOUL A BEING IS 1) BODY 2)SOUL = A LIVING SOUL – EITHER ANGELS OR GOD OR THE SON OF GOD (THE WORD)THE BODY MAY BE OF ANOTHER UNIVERSE MADE OF WHAT WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND BUT THE PRINCIPAL IS THE SAME
Terricca……..I will ask you to do the same thing I ask Nick and Kerwinto do, please go and read all the places the word Soul is mentioned in the Old Testament a and see if it is not talking about the whole and complete person and the come back and tell me what you found.Peace and love to you and yours……………gene
gENEYOU ANSWER MY QUESTION ;
IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW WE SPELL IT FOR IT WOULD NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE CONFIGURATION ,
Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,04:03) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 15 2014,22:31) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,02:37) gene Quote Soul to me is a COMPLETE INDIVIDUAL BEING and ALL it contains, rather God, Man, or Animal of any kind that exists . IMO why do you believe that ;
Mt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Ge 2:18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
Ge 2:21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh.
Ge 2:22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
Ge 2:23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,pay attention to what it says ;if you would be right ,IT WOULD SAY AND GOD TOOK A RIB FROM ADAM SOUL ;BUT IT SAYS FLESH ; IF WHAT YOU THINK IS TRUE THEN EVE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED ADAM SOUL
WHAT IS NOT SAID IN SCRIPTURES SHE AD HER VERY OWN SOUL A BEING IS 1) BODY 2)SOUL = A LIVING SOUL – EITHER ANGELS OR GOD OR THE SON OF GOD (THE WORD)THE BODY MAY BE OF ANOTHER UNIVERSE MADE OF WHAT WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND BUT THE PRINCIPAL IS THE SAME
Terricca……..I will ask you to do the same thing I ask Nick and Kerwinto do, please go and read all the places the word Soul is mentioned in the Old Testament a and see if it is not talking about the whole and complete person and the come back and tell me what you found.Peace and love to you and yours……………gene
gENEYOU ANSWER MY QUESTION ;
IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW WE SPELL IT FOR IT WOULD NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE CONFIGURATION ,
Terricca……..I disagree with that, I believe it would change your prospective of how you see a Living Soul, and a dead ONE.Tell me Pierre, Can a Soul fast, can a soul thirst, scripture says it can. Can a soul be afflicted , can a soul thirst for water, as the richman said he did, how is this done without a physical body? Why water when a soul does not contain a physical Body, a as some say.
Peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 16 2014,02:28) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,04:03) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 15 2014,22:31) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,02:37) gene Quote Soul to me is a COMPLETE INDIVIDUAL BEING and ALL it contains, rather God, Man, or Animal of any kind that exists . IMO why do you believe that ;
Mt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Ge 2:18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
Ge 2:21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh.
Ge 2:22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
Ge 2:23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,pay attention to what it says ;if you would be right ,IT WOULD SAY AND GOD TOOK A RIB FROM ADAM SOUL ;BUT IT SAYS FLESH ; IF WHAT YOU THINK IS TRUE THEN EVE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED ADAM SOUL
WHAT IS NOT SAID IN SCRIPTURES SHE AD HER VERY OWN SOUL A BEING IS 1) BODY 2)SOUL = A LIVING SOUL – EITHER ANGELS OR GOD OR THE SON OF GOD (THE WORD)THE BODY MAY BE OF ANOTHER UNIVERSE MADE OF WHAT WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND BUT THE PRINCIPAL IS THE SAME
Terricca……..I will ask you to do the same thing I ask Nick and Kerwinto do, please go and read all the places the word Soul is mentioned in the Old Testament a and see if it is not talking about the whole and complete person and the come back and tell me what you found.Peace and love to you and yours……………gene
gENEYOU ANSWER MY QUESTION ;
IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW WE SPELL IT FOR IT WOULD NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE CONFIGURATION ,
Terricca……..I disagree with that, I believe it would change your prospective of how you see a Living Soul, and a dead ONE.Tell me Pierre, Can a Soul fast, can a soul thirst, scripture says it can. Can a soul be afflicted , can a soul thirst for water, as the richman said he did, how is this done without a physical body? Why water when a soul does not contain a physical Body, a as some say.
Peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
GQuote Tell me Pierre, Can a Soul fast, can a soul thirst, scripture says it can. Can a soul be afflicted , can a soul thirst for water, as the richman said he did, how is this done without a physical body? Why water when a soul does not contain a physical Body, a as some say. YOU ARE TAKING THE SOUL FOR A FULL BODY AND SO YOU APPLY THE ALLEGORY OF LAZARUS LITERALLY ,WHAT ALSO MAKE YOU GO OFF TRACK,
i EXPLAIN YOU ;AND YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I SAY ,AND SO COME BACK TO ME WITH USELESS TALK, THAT I HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED
ALL THOSE THINGS YOU SHOW ARE OF THE LIVING MEANS BODY + SOUL IF ONE IS MISSING NONE OF WHAT YOU SAY CAN HAPPEN , THE SOUL WITHOUT A BODY LOOKS MORE LIKE A PARKED CAR ;AND OUT OF GAS ,
BUT AS SOON AS WE PUT GAS IN IT AND THE DRIVER IN THE FRONT SEAT IT ALL WILL WORK SMOOTHLY
Terricca…..So you do agree with me a SOUL IS a BODY with GAS i.e. (SPIRIT of LIFE in IT)
That is what a LIVING SOUL IS.Peace and love to you and yours…………….gene
Terricca ……The parable of Lazarus and the rich man , I know is not to be taken as literal , about what happens after immediately when a person dies, that he is taken to a under world place of still living souls. I have argued that point over and over here.
I should have said can SEPERATED SOUL from a BODY do those things. I think you language barrier my have led to some misunderstanding here.
Peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 16 2014,05:25) Terricca…..So you do agree with me a SOUL IS a BODY with GAS i.e. (SPIRIT of LIFE in IT)
That is what a LIVING SOUL IS.Peace and love to you and yours…………….gene
Geneno,the body means the car ;the driver means the soul ;the gas means the breath in the nostrils ;(this is for the body not the soul) just as the gas is not for the driver to drink but to make the motor run,
is this explanation better for you
Terricca……..many scripture about humbling our soul with fasting , that means doing without food and water. Also does God himself have a Soul that is separate from him .
In my opinion there is only two things that compose a LIVING Soul that is a BODY with the breath of Life in it. Not one scripture anywhere says there are Three parts of a person. Jesus used the words God can destroy “BOTH” he did not say DESTROY THREE, but BOTH meaning Two things not Three.
And if you look up the word used there for Soul you will find it should be rendered Spirit , go check out the word used there. There are only TWO components to a LIVING SOUL and they are the SAME ones GOD used where it say and Man BECAME ( came to be) a LIVING SOUL, That is what a complete Man is, he is a separate complete entity . The word Soul references the complete person not just 1/3 of him. IMO
The Soul that Sins IT Shall DIE , do you think that means just part of a person or all of him, and agin ALL HAVE SINNED and all soils have died or will Die that have sinned, God does not Lie Pierre. Dust thou “ARE” and Dust you SHALL RETURN. Did you notice the words, YOU “ARE” , that is not talking about a part but the whole YOU. Which is a LIVING SOUL.
Satan want people not to believe God, nor what He said, and most do not believe Him , I do believe a Soul that Sins Dies and that person no longer exist , the only thing that does is the Spirit which goes back to God who gave IT, no scripture say a third part called a Soul goes somewhere else and is still alive after death, that is what Satan and his preacher wants us to believe , instead of what God said.DID satan not say When told by Eve what God Said, [/B] YOU SHALL not “SURLY DIE” . Is that not what most here also believe?
Jesus said he was DEAD, and do you NOT truly Believe him . You arguing with him and God the Father Pierre, not me. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
gene
Quote Terricca……..many scripture about humbling our soul with fasting , that means doing without food and water. Also does God himself have a Soul that is separate from him .
does the fasting includes not breathingdo you ever wander why people were fasting i mean Jews according to the law,
the air we breathing is not a third part of us ,if so you may count eating and drinking as well,
two part soul and body = one being either human or spiritual (heavenly) the soul is the driver that drives the body to where he wants to go and do ,he also is the thinker ,the will power,
the body is the car , and just as a car needs maintenance so is the body,food,drinks,exercise,sleep,cleaning up, and what not ,
living for the flesh means to be only concern with the needs of the body,what we know as to be vain or vanity,
but living with the spirit meaning doing what God ask us to do ;this brings eternal life,but to do that ,we have no time to look after the body beside the essentials,
for the spirit requirements are great and have to be trained and self control as to be applied to succeed ,this is why it says that their is a war in our members between the body and our spirit will,
so that our soul can be saved and worthy of the grace and the resurrection BECAUSE IF NOT THE SOUL WILL BE PUT DEAD (DESTROYED) BECAUSE NO FRUITS WERE PRODUCED BY IT
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 15 2014,19:42) Kerwin…..Do as i ask brother Nick, go through the old testament and read all the places where the word Soul is written and see if is not talking about the complete person. As far as the women goes her complete existence was was going as she was beginning to die, the breath of life was leaving and she was no longer a “LIVING SOUL” , but a DEAD SOUL, and that Soul will remain dead until the Resurrection of the dead. Just as the book of Ezekiel shows. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………..gene
Gene,Her body was not departing. Is that part of her complete existence?
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