The soul

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
You choose not to see what is offered.

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
Only those who have been given eternal life live.

Does eternal life not exist for you?

John 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

8.John 4:36
And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.

10.John 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
Does eternal not mean eternal to you??

1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

28.1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

29.1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
Do these words not apply to you?
Acts 13:48
And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

17.Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

.Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

.Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

1 Timothy 6:19
Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

.Titus 3:7
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

.1 John 1:2
(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2014,08:07)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2014,01:37) Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,17:32) Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,04:50) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 11 2014,03:03) Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,07:56) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 11 2014,00:59) Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,05:43) Gene, psuché is the Koine Greek word for soul but it is also the word for “the vital breath, breath of life” so perhaps the soul and breath are one.  I asked you about that earlier. Kerwin ……I agree with that, Yes that is exactly what we “ARE” it takes a BODY with the breath of LIFE to be a LIVING SOUL, and without a BODY “AND” the breath of LIFE in IT, you have NO LIVING SOUL, you are a DEAD SOUL when the breath of life leaves you. Gone for ever , NO SOUL left, a man can kill our Soul, but he can not “DESTROY” ONLY GOD can by simply leaving the body in the grave! but he can also resurrect us a new body and add the breath of life back into it and we again become a LIVING SOUL, not a DEAD one. I have said many times here it is absolutely crucial we attain unto the resurrection of the DEAD, in order to continue to live as a living soul again. Just as Jesus had to.  IMO Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene Gene, If soul is the same as the breath of life then God breathed a soul into Adam's body and then it first became a living soul so in that case the soul is not the combination of the breath and body but it is instead the breath of life.  That disagrees with what you have been saying. Kerwin……I did not say they were the same thing , what I said was a “ LIVING”,  SOUL is,  a BODY “WITH”  the breath of LIFE IN it. These two things equals a SOUL that IS “LIVING”,  remove one of them and you no longer have a “LIVING” Soul. Just that simple , nothing complicated about it . IMO Peace and love to you and yours……………………gene Gene, Did you understand that I pointed out that the Koine Greek language use the same word for both the breath of life and for the soul? Gene,   I have not heard your answer yet. Kerwin………I do see that, and not only that but soul is also translated as spirit many times. But the truth is a “LIVING SOUL” is a BODY with the BREATH OF LIFE In IT' S nostrils . Genesis says it clearly, but man has added their own addition to what it clearly says, as proved here. God who can not LIE said “THE “SOUL” THAT SINS, “IT” SHALL DIE (PARISH). ALL have SINNED, ALL, have or Will DIE, and come short of the GOLRY OF GOD. And again ” it is appointed unto man once to “DIE” (PARISH), then after that, the judgement. Many think God lies , and we “TRULY DO NOT “DIE”, because our SOULS are STILL ALIVE WHEN we DIE, we are still active in some place talking to one another and communicating with each other, alive like normal, in this way they are calling God a LIAR, they would rather believe SATAN who said , “YOU SURELY WILL “NOT” DIE (parish) . They say no you are not really DEAD, your just asleep, making God into a liar. Kerwin bottom line is, does YOUR GOD LIE, or NOT? I for one believe what he said, he meant, the choice is yours. IMO Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene Gene, I do not know that the Koine Greek word for soul and breath is also translated to spirit but I plan to check.  Genesis 2:7 teaches us that God made Adam out of the dust of the ground and then breathed the breath in his nostrils and he became a living soul.  We know only that when God breath the breath into the body he made that man first became a living soul. One of two things could have happened the non-living soul could be breath or the fact the breath entered Adam's body created a new thing an that that thing was a living soul.  You believe third thing happened and that is the combination of the breath and body are a living soul. So that comes up with the three possible situations that we can think of only one of which you insist are true. I do not see your hypothesis true since it clearly seems to be shown to be false when Scripture tells us that the soul of a woman was departing as she lay dying and her breath was departing.  According to your chose hypothesis the soul would not be departing but instead would be fading from existence. You would be on firmer ground to conclude the breath and soul are one and the same. Some of your words make it sound like you hold this view in part because of your chosen doctrine of universal salvation though I think it is mainly because of you chosen doctrine of resurrection of the body.

Kerwin…….Where scripture says that the dust man or Body received into it the “BREATH of LIFE, then the Dust Man or BODY “BECAME” A “LIVING SOUL” now was he, the dust man, a living Soul before that, absolutely notHe was nothing at all. that word Soul means a LiVING entity or a separate BEING. A WHOLE SEPARATE BEING not Just a PART of ONE, as those who believe we are still alive after DEATH,believe.

Kerwin … There is not a single scripture that says God took a separate “LIVING SOUL”, and put that into the Man or His BODY. At lest I am not aware of one, if there exists one please show it to me. IT just says and the “MAN” (himself) BECAME a “LIVING SOUL”.

Kerwin do you get my point, I am making here brother ?

Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene

[NickHassan]

Hi Gb,
Galatians 6:8
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

[kerwin]

Gene,

Looking at the NAS, KJV, and INT in most cases psuché is translated to a variation of either soul or life there are few exception in at least one version that I have listed below none are translated to spirit as your thought. So either the body and breath or the body and soul will be thrown in Gehenna.

keep in suspense/make doubt: John 10:24

person: Acts 7:14, 27:37, Romans 13:1, 1 Peter 3:20

you: 2 Corinthians 12:15

heart: Ephesians 6:6, Colossians 3:23, Hebrews 12:3

mind: Philippians 1:27, Hebrews 12:3

[NickHassan]

Hi ,
Scripture translates two greek words as LIFE

When ZOE is used it means eternal life
Check it out

[NickHassan]

Hi GB

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

.Luke 18:30
Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.

.John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

.John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

.John 4:14
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

.John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2014,09:20)

Hi GB, Do these words not apply to you? Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 17.Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: .Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. .Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 1 Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. 1 Timothy 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life. Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; .Titus 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. .1 John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Nick……I know all of that, that we through Jesus Christ do have eternal life , but this life is in his son at this time! but it shall also be in us at the resurrection from the DEAD. Why do you think Jesus said he that believes in me though he were DEAD yet SHALL he Live.

The points I am making have nothing to do with what your ranting about brother. What is a “LIVING SOUL” is what we are talking about and does the word LIVING SOUL include our BODIES?

You dragging all kind of other issues into this, calm down brother. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene

[kerwin]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 13 2014,04:22)

Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2014,08:07) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2014,01:37) Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,17:32) Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,04:50) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 11 2014,03:03) Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,07:56) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 11 2014,00:59) Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,05:43) Gene, psuché is the Koine Greek word for soul but it is also the word for “the vital breath, breath of life” so perhaps the soul and breath are one.  I asked you about that earlier. Kerwin ……I agree with that, Yes that is exactly what we “ARE” it takes a BODY with the breath of LIFE to be a LIVING SOUL, and without a BODY “AND” the breath of LIFE in IT, you have NO LIVING SOUL, you are a DEAD SOUL when the breath of life leaves you. Gone for ever , NO SOUL left, a man can kill our Soul, but he can not “DESTROY” ONLY GOD can by simply leaving the body in the grave! but he can also resurrect us a new body and add the breath of life back into it and we again become a LIVING SOUL, not a DEAD one. I have said many times here it is absolutely crucial we attain unto the resurrection of the DEAD, in order to continue to live as a living soul again. Just as Jesus had to.  IMO Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene Gene, If soul is the same as the breath of life then God breathed a soul into Adam's body and then it first became a living soul so in that case the soul is not the combination of the breath and body but it is instead the breath of life.  That disagrees with what you have been saying. Kerwin……I did not say they were the same thing , what I said was a “ LIVING”,  SOUL is,  a BODY “WITH”  the breath of LIFE IN it. These two things equals a SOUL that IS “LIVING”,  remove one of them and you no longer have a “LIVING” Soul. Just that simple , nothing complicated about it . IMO Peace and love to you and yours……………………gene Gene, Did you understand that I pointed out that the Koine Greek language use the same word for both the breath of life and for the soul? Gene,   I have not heard your answer yet. Kerwin………I do see that, and not only that but soul is also translated as spirit many times. But the truth is a “LIVING SOUL” is a BODY with the BREATH OF LIFE In IT' S nostrils . Genesis says it clearly, but man has added their own addition to what it clearly says, as proved here. God who can not LIE said “THE “SOUL” THAT SINS, “IT” SHALL DIE (PARISH). ALL have SINNED, ALL, have or Will DIE, and come short of the GOLRY OF GOD. And again ” it is appointed unto man once to “DIE” (PARISH), then after that, the judgement. Many think God lies , and we “TRULY DO NOT “DIE”, because our SOULS are STILL ALIVE WHEN we DIE, we are still active in some place talking to one another and communicating with each other, alive like normal, in this way they are calling God a LIAR, they would rather believe SATAN who said , “YOU SURELY WILL “NOT” DIE (parish) . They say no you are not really DEAD, your just asleep, making God into a liar. Kerwin bottom line is, does YOUR GOD LIE, or NOT? I for one believe what he said, he meant, the choice is yours. IMO Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene Gene, I do not know that the Koine Greek word for soul and breath is also translated to spirit but I plan to check.  Genesis 2:7 teaches us that God made Adam out of the dust of the ground and then breathed the breath in his nostrils and he became a living soul.  We know only that when God breath the breath into the body he made that man first became a living soul. One of two things could have happened the non-living soul could be breath or the fact the breath entered Adam's body created a new thing an that that thing was a living soul.  You believe third thing happened and that is the combination of the breath and body are a living soul. So that comes up with the three possible situations that we can think of only one of which you insist are true. I do not see your hypothesis true since it clearly seems to be shown to be false when Scripture tells us that the soul of a woman was departing as she lay dying and her breath was departing.  According to your chose hypothesis the soul would not be departing but instead would be fading from existence. You would be on firmer ground to conclude the breath and soul are one and the same. Some of your words make it sound like you hold this view in part because of your chosen doctrine of universal salvation though I think it is mainly because of you chosen doctrine of resurrection of the body. Kerwin…….Where scripture says that the dust man or Body received into it the “BREATH of LIFE,  then the Dust Man or BODY “BECAME” A “LIVING SOUL” now was he, the dust man, a living Soul before that, absolutely notHe was nothing at all. that word Soul means a LiVING entity or a separate BEING. A WHOLE SEPARATE BEING not Just a PART of ONE, as those who believe we are still alive after DEATH,believe.   Kerwin … There is not a single scripture that says God took a separate “LIVING SOUL”,  and put that into the Man or His BODY. At lest I am not aware of one, if there exists one please show it to me. IT just says and the “MAN” (himself) BECAME a “LIVING SOUL”. Kerwin do you get my point, I am making here brother ? Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene

Gene,

I am not trying to prove a hypothesis is true because that is hard to do even when it seems to be literally written.  It is easier to disprove a hypothesis as I did with yours.

Now I did not propose that man the breath was a living soul before it entered flesh as that hypothesis seems to be disproved by the words “became a living soul”

I did give a Scripture that seemed to clearly show that the soul do
es not fade from existence as the breath departs the body but instead it also departs.

When your doctrine is in conflict with Scripture then it is your doctrine that is broken not Scripture.

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
Are not in the Son now?

Lets do it your way.
There is no scripture that says souls are bodies

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
Are you not seated with him in heavenly places?

Eph2

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
Job 12:10
In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
Is offering you the scriptures to show you the way back now called ranting?

Are we no longer brothers?

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
God does not give the Spirit of eternal life and then take it away again-even at death.

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2014,05:12)

Hi GB, God does not give the Spirit of eternal life and then take it away again-even at death. Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

N

for the Jews

[NickHassan]

hi T,
Really.
He plays favourites??

No way Jose

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2014,08:11)

hi T, Really. He plays favourites?? No way Jose

N

Ro 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Ro 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Ro 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Ro 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Ro 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Ro 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Ro 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Ro 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Ro 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

verse 29 deals with the Jews show me otherwise

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Try acts 10 34-35

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