The soul

Participant

Hi GB,
So Jesus did not know the difference between death and sleep
but you do.

When are you going to address all the other scriptures or is your dogma too precious to you?

June 11, 2014 at 9:05 pm#388388

Participant

Job 26:6 Hell(grave) is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering. kjv

Job 26:6 Death is naked before God;
Destruction lies uncovered NIV

all is known to God ,

June 11, 2014 at 11:19 pm#388467

Participant

Quote (terraricca @ June 12 2014,08:05)

Job 26:6 Hell(grave) is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering. kjv

Job 26:6 Death is naked before God;
Destruction lies uncovered NIV

all is known to God ,

Terricca……..I know that , the wordHell and Grave are interchangeable in scriptures.

But the point here is didGod mean what He said, “THE SOUL THAT SINS SHALL DIE.
I chose to believe him ,many do not it appears. I believe our living SOUL is Completely gone whe we die , ( body and the breath of life in it) our minds no longer function at all, we are TRULY DEAD. thespiritthat was I us Gose back to him who gave it. There is no more any activity of our Souls, because those SOULS no longer exist they are completely corrupted in the grave.

We are as if we never existed, no work, no knowledge, no wisdom, in the grave where we all go when we DIE. There is no communication going on that we are aware of.

Inorder for us to live again as a LIVING SOUL is if God the Father recreates us a Body and adds back into it the BREATH OF LIFE.

I believe Jesus when he said this, “I WAS DEAD And AM NOW ALIVE FOR EVERMORE.” Nick wants us to believe Jesus did not really Die, God just woke him up from a nap. He does not believe GOD RAISED him FROM the DEAD, but from a nap, he was taking. To him Jesus never really DIED.

But scripture says He DIED for our Sin, he gave his ALL, (everything he had that was alive ) for us.

Because the metaphor sleep is used for death , because God looks at death as a sleep, because he knows he can resurrect us, Nick actually believes we are truly asleep when we DIE. But he is wrong when we DIE we are truly DEAD, gone forever , unless God raises us from the DEAD, Just as he did JESUS,had God not raised Jesus from the dead he would still be DEAD to this very day. The same thing must happen to us inorder for us to live again after we DIE. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours…………………gene

June 11, 2014 at 11:21 pm#388468

Participant

Hi GB,
God is the God of the living.
They do not walk the earth but they live to God

You will be excluded?

June 11, 2014 at 11:27 pm#388473

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2014,07:04)

Hi GB,
So Jesus did not know the difference between death and sleep
but you do.

When are you going to address all the other scriptures or is your dogma too precious to you?

Nick……Yes Jesus knew the difference that is why ,that is why he said, “LAZRUS” is DEAD. It was the disciples who did not know what he was talking about not him. So he clearified into them “LAZRUS IS DEAD”

Nick I have answered the scriptures you have posted butyouhave not answered the ones I have posted , go back and answer them first. OK

Peace and love to you and yours ……………..gene

June 11, 2014 at 11:39 pm#388477

Participant

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2014,05:19)

Quote (terraricca @ June 12 2014,08:05)

Job 26:6 Hell(grave) is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering. kjv

Job 26:6 Death is naked before God;
Destruction lies uncovered NIV

all is known to God ,

Terricca……..I know that , the wordHell and Grave are interchangeable in scriptures.

We are as if we never existed, no work, no knowledge, no wisdom, in the grave where we all go when we DIE. There is no communication going on that we are aware of.

Inorder for us to live again as a LIVING SOUL is if God the Father recreates us a Body and adds back into it the BREATH OF LIFE.

I believe Jesus when he said this, “I WAS DEAD And AM NOW ALIVE FOR EVERMORE.” Nike wants us to believe Jesus did not really Die, God just woke him up from a nap. Here does not believe GOD RAISED him FROM the DEAD but from a nap he was taking. To him Jesus never really DIED.

But scripture says He DIED for our Sin ,he gave his ALL, (everything he had that was alive ) for us.

Because the metaphor sleep is used for death , because God looks at death as a sleep ,because he knows he can resurrect us, Nick actually believes we are truly asleep when we DIE. But he is wrong whence DIEwe are truly DEAD, gone forever , unless God raises us from the DEAD,Just as he did JESUS,had Godnot raised Jesus from the dead he would still be DEAD to this very day. The same thing must happen to us inorder for us to live again after we DIE. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours…………………gene

But the point here is didGod mean what He said, “THE
SOUL THAT SINS SHALL DIE.

do you understand that he did not say THE FLESH THAT SIN WILL DIE ” WHY

June 11, 2014 at 11:41 pm#388480

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2014,10:21)

Hi GB,
God is the God of the living.
They do not walk the earth but they live to God

You will be excluded?

Nick……God is the God of the LIVING because “the DEAD know NOTHING in the DAY they DIE there THOUGHTS PARISH”. Without thoughts you can have no God of any kind.

A man who's alive can have a God but a dead man has non because there is NO KNOWLEDGE, nor WISDOM, in the grave where you GO when you DIE. The lights are completely out Nick, and do not come on until the resurrection. You are truly In a sleep a deep one it called the sleep of DEATH. IMO

This whole concept of a Soul still living after death is FALSE, The SoulParishes and is corrupted in the grave back to the dust from which it came, just as scripture says Nick.

Scripture does not LIE, Nor does GOD. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene

June 11, 2014 at 11:43 pm#388482

Participant

Hi GB,
So they are not living even if Jesus said they are?

June 11, 2014 at 11:49 pm#388487

Participant

Quote (terraricca @ June 12 2014,10:39)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2014,05:19)

Quote (terraricca @ June 12 2014,08:05)

Job 26:6 Hell(grave) is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering. kjv

Job 26:6 Death is naked before God;
Destruction lies uncovered NIV

all is known to God ,

Terricca……..I know that , the wordHell and Grave are interchangeable in scriptures.

We are as if we never existed, no work, no knowledge, no wisdom, in the grave where we all go when we DIE. There is no communication going on that we are aware of.

Inorder for us to live again as a LIVING SOUL is if God the Father recreates us a Body and adds back into it the BREATH OF LIFE.

But scripture says He DIED for our Sin ,he gave his ALL, (everything he had that was alive ) for us.

Because the metaphor sleep is used for death , because God looks at death as a sleep ,because he knows he can resurrect us, Nick actually believes we are truly asleep when we DIE. But he is wrong whence DIEwe are truly DEAD, gone forever , unless God raises us from the DEAD,Just as he did JESUS,had Godnot raised Jesus from the dead he would still be DEAD to this very day. The same thing must happen to us inorder for us to live again after we DIE. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours…………………gene

But the point here is didGod mean what He said, “THE
SOUL THAT SINS SHALL DIE.

do you understand that he did not say THE FLESH THAT SIN WILL DIE ” WHY

TerrIcca…….. THe flesh is the soul, but it can not live without the breath of life in it nostrils.

The Soul truly does die , but God can make another one and put the breath of life back into it again, a new and fresh one for each of us all after the old one is gone. And then we become a LIVING SOUL again.

We must all atain to the resurrection of our new BODIES made by the spirit of God, not from man but from God the Father himself. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene

June 12, 2014 at 12:01 am#388489

Participant

Hi GB,
Soul death?
In gehenna only

June 12, 2014 at 1:17 am#388494

Participant

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2014,05:49)

Quote (terraricca @ June 12 2014,10:39)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2014,05:19)

Quote (terraricca @ June 12 2014,08:05)

Job 26:6 Hell(grave) is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering. kjv

Job 26:6 Death is naked before God;
Destruction lies uncovered NIV

all is known to God ,

Terricca……..I know that , the wordHell and Grave are interchangeable in scriptures.

We are as if we never existed, no work, no knowledge, no wisdom, in the grave where we all go when we DIE. There is no communication going on that we are aware of.

Inorder for us to live again as a LIVING SOUL is if God the Father recreates us a Body and adds back into it the BREATH OF LIFE.

But scripture says He DIED for our Sin ,he gave his ALL, (everything he had that was alive ) for us.

Because the metaphor sleep is used for death , because God looks at death as a sleep ,because he knows he can resurrect us, Nick actually believes we are truly asleep when we DIE. But he is wrong whence DIEwe are truly DEAD, gone forever , unless God raises us from the DEAD,Just as he did JESUS,had Godnot raised Jesus from the dead he would still be DEAD to this very day. The same thing must happen to us inorder for us to live again after we DIE. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours…………………gene

But the point here is didGod mean what He said, “THE
SOUL THAT SINS SHALL DIE.

do you understand that he did not say THE FLESH THAT SIN WILL DIE ” WHY

TerrIcca…….. THe flesh is the soul, but it can not live without the breath of life in it nostrils.

We must all atain to the resurrection of our new BODIES made by the spirit of God, not from man but from God the Father himself. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene

scriptures disagree with you ,so I will go with the scriptures

June 12, 2014 at 3:21 pm#388638

Participant

Terricca……..you need to go with what you believe brother.

peace and love to you and yours………………gene

June 12, 2014 at 4:58 pm#388649

Participant

Hi GB
You say
“THe flesh is the soul,”

But when God blew into the dust

“Man BECAME a living soul”

June 12, 2014 at 6:08 pm#388654

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2014,03:58)

Hi GB
You say
“THe flesh is the soul,”

But when God blew into the dust

“Man BECAME a living soul”

Nick……..Yes , he was a dead Soul untill the breath of life was breathed into his nostrils. Tell us do you see writen there , that god put a Living Soul into his Body, or does it say and THEN MAN BECAME or CAME TO BE a “LIVING SOUL” ,that is talking about the complete being not just part of him as you presume .

Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene

June 12, 2014 at 6:52 pm#388655

Participant

Hi GB
A DEAD soul?

He was dust.

June 12, 2014 at 7:10 pm#388660

Participant

Hi GB,
Scripture does not call man any kind of soul before God blew into it but you do.
Are you not ADDING to scripture?

June 12, 2014 at 8:32 pm#388665

Participant

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2014,21:21)

Terricca……..you need to go with what you believe brother.

peace and love to you and yours………………gene

that is not advisable from scriptures ;truth cannot be based on someone view,

after all the scriptures are not ours to do what we see fit ,if we do we also will pay the price of it ,

the verdict of Christ is simple ;

Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light(truth) has come into the world, but men loved darkness(ignorance) instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light (the truth), and will not come into the light(the truth) for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light(the spirit of truth), so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

this is were all get divided ;LK 12:51 “ Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division;

Lk 12:49 “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

Lk 12:52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three.
Lk 12:53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

Lk 12:50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed!

this is the baptism that all true believers will go through

June 12, 2014 at 8:46 pm#388670

Participant

Hi GB,
Your dogmas is not based on scriptural truth
That surprises me given your faithful record

June 12, 2014 at 9:07 pm#388672

kerwin

Participant

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 12 2014,01:37)

Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,17:32)

Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,04:50)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 11 2014,03:03)

Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,07:56)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 11 2014,00:59)

Quote (kerwin @ June 11 2014,05:43)

Gene,

psuché is the Koine Greek word for soul but it is also the word for “the vital breath, breath of life” so perhaps the soul and breath are one. I asked you about that earlier.

Kerwin ……I agree with that, Yes that is exactly what we “ARE” it takes a BODY with the breath of LIFE to be a LIVING SOUL, and without a BODY “AND” the breath of LIFE in IT, you have NO LIVING SOUL, you are a DEAD SOUL when the breath of life leaves you. Gone for ever , NO SOUL left, a man can kill our Soul, but he can not “DESTROY” ONLY GOD can by simply leaving the body in the grave! but he can also resurrect us a new body and add the breath of life back into it and we again become a LIVING SOUL, not a DEAD one.

I have said many times here it is absolutely crucial we attain unto the resurrection of the DEAD, in order to continue to live as a living soul again. Just as Jesus had to. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene

Gene,

If soul is the same as the breath of life then God breathed a soul into Adam's body and then it first became a living soul so in that case the soul is not the combination of the breath and body but it is instead the breath of life. That disagrees with what you have been saying.

Kerwin……I did not say they were the same thing , what I said was a “
LIVING”, SOUL is, a BODY “WITH” the breath of LIFE IN it. These two things equals a SOUL that IS “LIVING”, remove one of them and you no longer have a “LIVING” Soul.

Just that simple , nothing complicated about it . IMO

Peace and love to you and yours……………………gene

Gene,

Did you understand that I pointed out that the Koine Greek language use the same word for both the breath of life and for the soul?

Gene,

I have not heard your answer yet.

Kerwin………I do see that, and not only that but soul is also translated as spirit many times. But the truth is a “LIVING SOUL” is a BODY with the BREATH OF LIFE In IT' S nostrils . Genesis says it clearly, but man has added their own addition to what it clearly says, as proved here.

God who can not LIE said “THE “SOUL” THAT SINS, “IT” SHALL DIE (PARISH). ALL have SINNED, ALL, have or Will DIE, and come short of the GOLRY OF GOD. And again ” it is appointed unto man once to “DIE” (PARISH), then after that, the judgement.

Many think God lies , and we “TRULY DO NOT “DIE”, because our SOULS are STILL ALIVE WHEN we DIE, we are still active in some place talking to one another and communicating with each other, alive like normal, in this way they are calling God a LIAR, they would rather believe SATAN who said , “YOU SURELY WILL “NOT” DIE (parish) . They say no you are not really DEAD, your just asleep, making God into a liar.

Kerwin bottom line is, does YOUR GOD LIE, or NOT? I for one believe what he said, he meant, the choice is yours. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene

Gene,

I do not know that the Koine Greek word for soul and breath is also translated to spirit but I plan to check. Genesis 2:7 teaches us that God made Adam out of the dust of the ground and then breathed the breath in his nostrils and he became a living soul. We know only that when God breath the breath into the body he made that man first became a living soul.

One of two things could have happened the non-living soul could be breath or the fact the breath entered Adam's body created a new thing an that that thing was a living soul. You believe third thing happened and that is the combination of the breath and body are a living soul. So that comes up with the three possible situations that we can think of only one of which you insist are true.

I do not see your hypothesis true since it clearly seems to be shown to be false when Scripture tells us that the soul of a woman was departing as she lay dying and her breath was departing. According to your chose hypothesis the soul would not be departing but instead would be fading from existence.

You would be on firmer ground to conclude the breath and soul are one and the same.

Some of your words make it sound like you hold this view in part because of your chosen doctrine of universal salvation though I think it is mainly because of you chosen doctrine of resurrection of the body.

June 12, 2014 at 9:58 pm#388687