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Hi GB,
“”with my mind I serve the laws of God, but with my FLESH the law of sin”
The mind is not of the spirit or of the body but the soul.
Hi GB,
“Nick…….our spirit does still exist, and you can consider that a sleep state , because it is still kept by God, but you are no longer a “LIVING SOUL” because it has NO BODY. GOD must provide it, and add back your spirit into it and once again you will become a “LIVING SOUL” IMO”
A soul is a soul
The human spirit gives it lifeHi GB,
1 Peter 1
'7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.”
But not in your case?
Hi Gb,
Why did you dismiss this scripture?
1thess5
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.Hi GB,
.James 1:21
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your soulsHi GB,
col212 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
We are quickened
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2014,12:37) Hi GB,
“Nick…….our spirit does still exist, and you can consider that a sleep state , because it is still kept by God, but you are no longer a “LIVING SOUL” because it has NO BODY. GOD must provide it, and add back your spirit into it and once again you will become a “LIVING SOUL” IMO”
A soul is a soul
The human spirit gives it liferi
Nick…….There is no such thing as a “HUMAN” SPIRIT, or a spirit of or from man. All spirits are made by GOD. So it is written this way ” there is a Spirit ” IN ” man” it is not of man but of God and if God were to retract his spirit all flesh would cease to exist. IT is GOD who gives us understanding and not only us but ALL SOULS which includes Animals also. That has life in them.JER 2:34…..Also in thy skirts is found the “BLOOD” of “THE SOULS” of the poor innocents:
Why is it blood of the SOULS, if the Soul is not the body?
Nick I just went through many mor scriptures that shows the Soul is speaking about the body, word like you shall afflict your Souls meaning not eat or drink and that afflicts the body, not some SEPARATE part of A PERSON.
Peace and love to you and yours…………….gene
Hi GB,
Can you being not hold the waters of life after death??
John 4:14
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.Hi GB,
No spirit of man??.Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding..Proverbs 16:2
All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the Lord weigheth the spirits..Proverbs 17:27
He that hath knowledge spareth his words: and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit.Proverbs 18:14
The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear?Proverbs 20:27
The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly.Which bible do you use??
Hi GB,
No spirit of man?17.Ecclesiastes 3:21
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?Hi GB,
Ecclesiastes 8:8
There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.Hi GB,
And what of the Father of spirits?Hebrews 12:9
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 09 2014,06:35) Quote (terraricca @ June 09 2014,10:40) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 09 2014,02:01) Quote (terraricca @ June 09 2014,02:11) Gb the scriptures tells us that the soul that sins must die ; but we all know that it is not the flesh it self that is sinning but the soul inside of the flesh ,that is why it says the soul and not the flesh ;but to maintain it self the soul stuck in a body of flesh as to look after that flesh ,for it as needs that differs from the ones of the soul because the soul is spirit not flesh ,it is like a spirit inside of a box ,but this in no way changes what God says about the soul that sin will die ,
what is this mean ;in truth if at the end the soul refuses to accept Christ (meaning not sinning )will certainly be destroyed and so die ,
the body 's dead is only for restricting men's ability of progressing in sin with the collaboration of Satan ,Satan live as a angel and so does not die after 100/200/or 1000 years but men does after 100 or so this put Satan back to find new men on a constant base ,but all will be judged ,
Terricca……..No we ALL do not know that, I sure don't see it that way even if everyone else does, that is not how God has allowed me to see it.Look show me a SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE that say a Mans SOUL is still alive after he DIES then you have a point, So far no one has shown such a SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE. But only scriptures where words are added into the text to make then mean what they do not SPECIFICALLY say. AS people do with a preexistent Jesus, or Jesus is also a God or the word of God and on and on it goes. Into the cloud of confusion Satan's teachers and synagogues have come up with these past two thousand years. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
GBunderstanding of scriptures does not come in one verse ,but by understanding within the scriptures the spirit of Christ and his father ,
i have given you my understanding just try to refute it with scriptures if not it must be right ,
you have to stop adding or retracting from scriptures ;we know that a human being is made from two things ;flesh and a soul ; the breath of life in his nostrils mean our breathing process ,
now we also know that the flesh is the means by which the soul that we are function ,without it we are out even though we might exist we are useless in actions ;THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING ;NO MORE NO LESS,
SO OUR SOUL GOES WHERE THE SOULS ARE KEPT BY GOD FOR THE JUDGEMENT ;END OF STORY
RESURRECTION NOT OF THE SOUL BUT OF THE FLESH SO THAT WE CAN ONCE AGAIN SERVE OUR GOD AND HIS SON ,IF GOD DESTROY THE SOUL THIS WILL BE THE TOTAL END OF THAT PERSON ,NOTHING TO BE REMEMBER BY GONE ,
THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING ;SO IF YOU THINK I BROKE SCRIPTURES TELL ME WHICH ONE ,AND I WILL RESPOND
Terricca….. I have refuted it WITH scriptures over and over but you chose to ignore them as if they do not exist. Pierre, the Flesh does to sin, because it is one part of our SOUL, What did Paul's say “I find no good thing in me, that is in my body, because to will is present in me. Also he said who can deliver me from this BODY of death. And again it is no longer I that sin, but sin that dwells in my members” so he saw a war going on, between his body and the spirit but the body would cause him to sin at times, but he consider it not him, saying. “with my mind I serve the laws of God, but with my FLESH the law of sin. WE do not need a new Spirit because God has already gone us one, we need a NEW BODY, a body MADE by the spirit of the living GOD, and that is not a SPIRIT body of any kind it is a physical BODY MADE by GOD the FATHER, JUST LIKE the One Jesus now has, but it is a body , not a spirit body but a spiritually made physical BODY. When we receive “THAT” physical Body we will no longer have Adam's seed in us, but a NEW body from GOD the Father the only true God. WE will be a second Adam like Jesus is also. IMOPeace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
GbYou have refuting nothing you even have not understand the scriptures , and for sure Paul words, try again and this time understand what the scriptures are really saying
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2014,14:54) Hi GB,
And what of the Father of spirits?Hebrews 12:9
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Nick……..The Spirit “OF” man is NOT “FROM” MAN, it was given to him from God. Why do you think scripture says when a man dies the spirit goes back to him WHO “GAVE” IT. Is that not in you bible Nick?Num 16:22……..And they fell upon their faces and said, O God, the God, the God of the SPIRITS, of “ALL” FLESH,
Num 27:16…….Let the LORD, the GOD of thE SPIRITS of “ALL” , flesh set a man over the congregation.
Job 27:3…….All the while my breath is in me, and the Spirit of God Is in MY NOSTRILS;
Job 32:8…… there is a spirit “IN” man and the inspiration of the Almighty gives them understanding.
Job33:4 …..The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty has given me life.
Job 34:14….Ifhe set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath; ALL FLESH SHALL”PARISH” and man shall turn again unto DUST.
Psa 104: 30……. You send forth your spirit, they are created:and you renew the face of the earth.
Pro 20:27……. The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
ECC 12:6……..All go unto ONE place ; All are of the DUST, and “ALL” turn to DUST AGAIN.
Ecc 12:7……..Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the “SPIRIT” shall RETURN unto GOD who “GAVE” it.
Nick do you understand what these scriptures say? Think about it brother.
Peace and love to you and yours…………….gene
Gene,
I have asked you twice because your answer did not seem to resolve the difference between your doctrine on this issue and Jesus' words.
Jesus quoted Jehovah's words that he is the God of Abraham, that he spoke even knowing Abraham had died previously. So God is the one that testified he was the God of both Abraham, who was dead, and of those that were yet living. Jesus pronounced God was not the God of the dead. How can both what God said and what Jesus said be true if Abraham was dead in all ways?
Can you state your resolution to that dilemma so that I can understand how it could be?
Hi GB,
Of course God gives life.
The Father of spirits is the source of the human spirit.But it bears no relationship to the Spirit of God.
When you die has God no vessel in which to reside and raise you?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 10 2014,05:29) Hi GB,
Of course God gives life.
The Father of spirits is the source of the human spirit.But it bears no relationship to the Spirit of God.
When you die has God no vessel in which to reside and raise you?
Nick…….I don't understand your last sentence could you please clearly brother.Peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 10 2014,05:29) Hi GB,
Of course God gives life.
The Father of spirits is the source of the human spirit.But it bears no relationship to the Spirit of God.
When you die has God no vessel in which to reside and raise you?
Nick…….I don't understand your last sentence could you please clearly brother.Nick…….Does it not say we ere made in His IMAGE? Does it notsaygod is the creator of all spirits even the serpents?
Peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
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