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Hi GB,
Indeed the soul that sins will die-in the second death-unless forgiveness is found in the SonQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2014,07:44) Hi GB,
When the witch of Endor spoke with Samuel was that another vision of a future event?.
Nick……..do you believe in sayouqnces, when is the last time you heard the dead speak, I never have have You?God Made all that happen , because scripture says God will Do nothing unless HE reveals it unto his servants . God can make any thing happen Nick, but where scripture says clearly there is no work, nor knowledge, nor wisdom in the grave where we go, I just choose to believe it. And where does that says she summed his “SOUL”, a Spirit is not a SOUL NICK it takes a BODY to be a “LIVING SOUL” . ACCORDING to GENESIS .
Your starting to grab straws Nick, please select clear and sound scriptures that say a “SOUL”is still ALIVE after a PERSON DIES, Not a SPIRIT but a “SOUL.” I know our spirits go back to God who gave it in the first place. I have no problem with that.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2014,08:39) Hi GB,
Indeed the soul that sins will die-in the second death-unless forgiveness is found in the Son
Nick ….. Where is that written, please post it.Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Hi GB,
Forgiveness is found in the Son.Some of those with Jesus were said never to be going to die.
They did but they will not see the second death-that is what he meant spiritually
Hi Gb
You say
“Terricca………good you have some of it right, a new Soul or (person) what is a Soul ( a body + spirit ) must be completely remade by our Heavenly Father from the earth where all mankind came from and go to when they die.”Scripture says they sleep
but you disagree?Hi GB,
“This is the way i see it Nick, I have for a long time seen it that way and still do brother.”Of course it still may be quite wrong.
Hi GB
You say
“So are the judgements of God, they are not meant to destroy , but to purify. IMO”
So the devil in the lake of fire is just for a light toasting?
Men go there tooHi GB
You say
“I will say it again,unless you and I and all attain unto the resurrection ,which “will witness the redemption of OUR “BODIES” we simply will not live again, and there is NO LIFE in the GRAVE where we all Go.”So the gates of hell will still hold you and mansions of Christ are not your hope?.
Hi GB,
“Nick……READ Genesis ,again and it PLAINLY tell you What a SOUL is. Why add to it, it there describes A COMPLETE LIVING “SOUL”. Do you see it broken down into THREE PARTS , or JUST TWO, a BODY with the BREATH OF LIFE IN IT. That is what a LIVING SOUL “IS” , NICK.”
LIVING=spirit
SOUL =soul
from the breath of God into
flesh=dustQuote (Gene Balthrop @ June 09 2014,02:01) Quote (terraricca @ June 09 2014,02:11) Gb the scriptures tells us that the soul that sins must die ; but we all know that it is not the flesh it self that is sinning but the soul inside of the flesh ,that is why it says the soul and not the flesh ;but to maintain it self the soul stuck in a body of flesh as to look after that flesh ,for it as needs that differs from the ones of the soul because the soul is spirit not flesh ,it is like a spirit inside of a box ,but this in no way changes what God says about the soul that sin will die ,
what is this mean ;in truth if at the end the soul refuses to accept Christ (meaning not sinning )will certainly be destroyed and so die ,
the body 's dead is only for restricting men's ability of progressing in sin with the collaboration of Satan ,Satan live as a angel and so does not die after 100/200/or 1000 years but men does after 100 or so this put Satan back to find new men on a constant base ,but all will be judged ,
Terricca……..No we ALL do not know that, I sure don't see it that way even if everyone else does, that is not how God has allowed me to see it.Look show me a SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE that say a Mans SOUL is still alive after he DIES then you have a point, So far no one has shown such a SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE. But only scriptures where words are added into the text to make then mean what they do not SPECIFICALLY say. AS people do with a preexistent Jesus, or Jesus is also a God or the word of God and on and on it goes. Into the cloud of confusion Satan's teachers and synagogues have come up with these past two thousand years. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
GBunderstanding of scriptures does not come in one verse ,but by understanding within the scriptures the spirit of Christ and his father ,
i have given you my understanding just try to refute it with scriptures if not it must be right ,
you have to stop adding or retracting from scriptures ;we know that a human being is made from two things ;flesh and a soul ; the breath of life in his nostrils mean our breathing process ,
now we also know that the flesh is the means by which the soul that we are function ,without it we are out even though we might exist we are useless in actions ;THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING ;NO MORE NO LESS,
SO OUR SOUL GOES WHERE THE SOULS ARE KEPT BY GOD FOR THE JUDGEMENT ;END OF STORY
RESURRECTION NOT OF THE SOUL BUT OF THE FLESH SO THAT WE CAN ONCE AGAIN SERVE OUR GOD AND HIS SON ,IF GOD DESTROY THE SOUL THIS WILL BE THE TOTAL END OF THAT PERSON ,NOTHING TO BE REMEMBER BY GONE ,
THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING ;SO IF YOU THINK I BROKE SCRIPTURES TELL ME WHICH ONE ,AND I WILL RESPOND
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2014,09:08) Hi GB,
Do you not yet have the Spirit of eternal life?
If you do why do you think you will lose it
Nick……..If the spirit of him that raised christ Jesus (FROM THE GRAVE )
He or IT, will also QUICKEN,your MORTAL (dead) BODY. . But insoluble if there is no MORTAL BODY that need to be QUICKEN, it Appears, because you are still alive when your dead, is that not an OXYMORON statement “DEAD but ALIVE ? What does your “MORTAL BODY mean to you. What is the point of even having a resurection if one is not even needed because you soul is still alive.GO and Read Ezekiel About the valley oF dried bones, read what God said he would DO, and that after HE did that “THEN” they would know that HE was GOD. DO you see in any of that that God was going to MAKE a NEW BODY and the ADD SOUL back into it again? I sure do not see that even implied at all,
As I have told you and others here you have bought in to One of Satan's LIES. HE want you to believe GOD was and is LYING , that you “SURELY do not ACTUALLY DIE, and are not actually DEAD. When you DIE you. I know the spirit still exists but not the “LIVING SOUL”, when you die it's dead and no longer exists. Until God quickens a BODY and raises the The Body from the dust where it went, and then and only then will you become a LIVING SOUL again.
I do have the Spirit of TRUTH in me, that is why I can see through Satan's LIES, question is can you?
Peace and love to you and yours………………gene
Quote (terraricca @ June 09 2014,10:40) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 09 2014,02:01) Quote (terraricca @ June 09 2014,02:11) Gb the scriptures tells us that the soul that sins must die ; but we all know that it is not the flesh it self that is sinning but the soul inside of the flesh ,that is why it says the soul and not the flesh ;but to maintain it self the soul stuck in a body of flesh as to look after that flesh ,for it as needs that differs from the ones of the soul because the soul is spirit not flesh ,it is like a spirit inside of a box ,but this in no way changes what God says about the soul that sin will die ,
what is this mean ;in truth if at the end the soul refuses to accept Christ (meaning not sinning )will certainly be destroyed and so die ,
the body 's dead is only for restricting men's ability of progressing in sin with the collaboration of Satan ,Satan live as a angel and so does not die after 100/200/or 1000 years but men does after 100 or so this put Satan back to find new men on a constant base ,but all will be judged ,
Terricca……..No we ALL do not know that, I sure don't see it that way even if everyone else does, that is not how God has allowed me to see it.Look show me a SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE that say a Mans SOUL is still alive after he DIES then you have a point, So far no one has shown such a SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE. But only scriptures where words are added into the text to make then mean what they do not SPECIFICALLY say. AS people do with a preexistent Jesus, or Jesus is also a God or the word of God and on and on it goes. Into the cloud of confusion Satan's teachers and synagogues have come up with these past two thousand years. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
GBunderstanding of scriptures does not come in one verse ,but by understanding within the scriptures the spirit of Christ and his father ,
i have given you my understanding just try to refute it with scriptures if not it must be right ,
you have to stop adding or retracting from scriptures ;we know that a human being is made from two things ;flesh and a soul ; the breath of life in his nostrils mean our breathing process ,
now we also know that the flesh is the means by which the soul that we are function ,without it we are out even though we might exist we are useless in actions ;THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING ;NO MORE NO LESS,
SO OUR SOUL GOES WHERE THE SOULS ARE KEPT BY GOD FOR THE JUDGEMENT ;END OF STORY
RESURRECTION NOT OF THE SOUL BUT OF THE FLESH SO THAT WE CAN ONCE AGAIN SERVE OUR GOD AND HIS SON ,IF GOD DESTROY THE SOUL THIS WILL BE THE TOTAL END OF THAT PERSON ,NOTHING TO BE REMEMBER BY GONE ,
THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING ;SO IF YOU THINK I BROKE SCRIPTURES TELL ME WHICH ONE ,AND I WILL RESPOND
Terricca….. I have refuted it WITH scriptures over and over but you chose to ignore them as if they do not exist. Pierre, the Flesh does to sin, because it is one part of our SOUL, What did Paul's say “I find no good thing in me, that is in my body, because to will is present in me. Also he said who can deliver me from this BODY of death. And again it is no longer I that sin, but sin that dwells in my members” so he saw a war going on, between his body and the spirit but the body would cause him to sin at times, but he consider it not him, saying. “with my mind I serve the laws of God, but with my FLESH the law of sin. WE do not need a new Spirit because God has already gone us one, we need a NEW BODY, a body MADE by the spirit of the living GOD, and that is not a SPIRIT body of any kind it is a physical BODY MADE by GOD the FATHER, JUST LIKE the One Jesus now has, but it is a body , not a spirit body but a spiritually made physical BODY. When we receive “THAT” physical Body we will no longer have Adam's seed in us, but a NEW body from GOD the Father the only true God. WE will be a second Adam like Jesus is also. IMOPeace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2014,11:28) Hi GB,
So nobody sleeps in death despite what scripture says?
Nick…….our spirit does still exist, and you can consider that a sleep state , because it is still kept by God, but you are no longer a “LIVING SOUL” because it has NO BODY. GOD must provide it, and add back your spirit into it and once again you will become a “LIVING SOUL” IMOPeace. And love to you and yours……………………gene
Gene,
I do not believe you answered me but this is what you said to Nick.
Quote Nick…….The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, is indeed the God of the Living, just as he was their God when they were alive also. He is not the God of the dead. The dead have no God the have NO KNOWLEDGE, not Wisdom iN he grave where we all go when we DIE, trust me Nick DEAD TRULY means DEAD., not half or one third dead, but completely dead . Living in la, la, land is not living in reality brother. You say the dead know nothing which does not negate that God said he was the God of Abraham as the latter's body laid in its grave. He did not say I was and will be his God but instead he stated I am his God even though he knew Abraham was dead.
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