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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2014,19:34) Nick………yes a “whole” living 'being is a “Living Soul”, if God were extract the spirit from you, you would be a dead soul and the word dead truly means dead, and as the scriptures i have posted to says, there is no work or device in the grave, in the day a man dies his thoughts parish. Nick do you think God was lying, or being deceptive when he said to Adam and Eve , that if they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that they would ” SURELY DIE” he was just kidding?. Do you believe God was lying when he said, Dust you “ARE” and dust shall return. What is the YOU there mean to you, just part of you or all of you. Is God a deceiver and really doesn't mean what he says?
Nick…show one scripture where God took Dust and Soul and Spirit to make a living human being, as you assume he did.
peace and love to you and yours……………gene
GeneQuote yes a “whole” living 'being is a “Living Soul scriptures says that God as a SOUL and we know he is not a human
what is your take on that
Hi GB,
God views man as his dust shell, but also as a living soul.
The soul remains, living or not.Remember Lazarus
Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2014,02:51) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2014,19:34) Nick………yes a “whole” living 'being is a “Living Soul”, if God were extract the spirit from you, you would be a dead soul and the word dead truly means dead, and as the scriptures i have posted to says, there is no work or device in the grave, in the day a man dies his thoughts parish. Nick do you think God was lying, or being deceptive when he said to Adam and Eve , that if they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that they would ” SURELY DIE” he was just kidding?. Do you believe God was lying when he said, Dust you “ARE” and dust shall return. What is the YOU there mean to you, just part of you or all of you. Is God a deceiver and really doesn't mean what he says?
Nick…show one scripture where God took Dust and Soul and Spirit to make a living human being, as you assume he did.
peace and love to you and yours……………gene
GeneQuote yes a “whole” living 'being is a “Living Soul scriptures says that God as a SOUL and we know he is not a human
what is your take on that
Terricca……….yes the LORD our God does have a soul , soul meaning his complete being, not just part of him but the complete him.But the complete US is a BODY + SPIRIT and that equals a “LIVING SOUL, no where does it. Say a man consists of three parts , just two parts which God can destroy in the Grave just as scripture say he can, how by not resurrecting us. It absolute crucial we attain to the resurrection or we simply will never exist again for ever.
That is why the resurrection is so important Pierre. There is absolutely no life when you are dead. The whole concept of a person still alive when he is dead is of pure pagan origins , let's not deceive ourselves , when your dead your dead. Only God can created a new physical body “SPIRITUALLY” created by HIM, as he did for Adam, and the second Adam Jesus, in the resurrection we also will have the same type of spiritually created bodies able to never die, but assured they will be physical bodies composed of flesh and bone, just as Ezekiel shows.
Peace and love to you and yours Pierre. …………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2014,03:05) Hi GB,
God views man as his dust shell, but also as a living soul.
The soul remains, living or not.Remember Lazarus
Nick……..Lazerus is a parable, (a factious illustration) it was never meant to be taken literal , you can't find where the rich man was more of a sinner then the poor man was, just the the rich man had an easer life then the poor man, and as a result the rich man had to suffer as well as the poor man once did.To me the parable illustrates that a certain amount of suffering is disposed to all of us in this life or in the next life , It seem to be needful for all to surfer and be scourged sooner or later. The parable shows also God does not permit our interference in the suffering of others later or perhaps even now. Everyone will and must be salted with fire and remember , we will not be excepted without it. So when these sufferings come upon us we need to know God our Father deals with us as dear children .
God declines his children he loves and “SCOURGES” every son he accepts. It is not easy brother, but needful that we suffer. So we need to count it all joy even we suffer, knowing the same things is happening to all of our brother and sisters even here.
WE ALL GOT MORE GOING FOR US THEN AGAINST US, IF WE SUFFER NOW, THANKS BE TO GOD OUR FATHER , WHO LOVES US AND IS TEACHING US IN OUR SUFFERINGS , WHO SORROWS US UNTO REPENTANCE,
Peace and love to you and you Nick…………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 03 2014,18:42) Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2014,02:51) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2014,19:34) Nick………yes a “whole” living 'being is a “Living Soul”, if God were extract the spirit from you, you would be a dead soul and the word dead truly means dead, and as the scriptures i have posted to says, there is no work or device in the grave, in the day a man dies his thoughts parish. Nick do you think God was lying, or being deceptive when he said to Adam and Eve , that if they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that they would ” SURELY DIE” he was just kidding?. Do you believe God was lying when he said, Dust you “ARE” and dust shall return. What is the YOU there mean to you, just part of you or all of you. Is God a deceiver and really doesn't mean what he says?
Nick…show one scripture where God took Dust and Soul and Spirit to make a living human being, as you assume he did.
peace and love to you and yours……………gene
GeneQuote yes a “whole” living 'being is a “Living Soul scriptures says that God as a SOUL and we know he is not a human
what is your take on that
Terricca……….yes the LORD our God does have a soul , soul meaning his complete being, not just part of him but the complete him.But the complete US is a BODY + SPIRIT and that equals a “LIVING SOUL, no where does it. Say a man consists of three parts , just two parts which God can destroy in the Grave just as scripture say he can, how by not resurrecting us. It absolute crucial we attain to the resurrection or we simply will never exist again for ever.
That is why the resurrection is so important Pierre. There is absolutely no life when you are dead. The whole concept of a person still alive when he is dead is of pure pagan origins , let's not deceive ourselves , when your dead your dead. Only God can created a new physical body “SPIRITUALLY” created by HIM, as he did for Adam, and the second Adam Jesus, in the resurrection we also will have the same type of spiritually created bodies able to never die, but assured they will be physical bodies composed of flesh and bone, just as Ezekiel shows.
Peace and love to you and yours Pierre. …………………….gene
geneso now you agree that God as a body right
as you say HIS SOUL IS HIS ENTIRE BEING ; AND HIS BEING IS NOT ANYONE ELSE RIGHT
BUT CHRIST MAKES A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE FLESH AND THE FLESHLY THINKING AND THE SOUL PART OF SPIRITUAL THINKING ,
JESUS ALSO SHOW THAT WE CAN DIE TWICE ONES IN THE FLESH AND ONES BY HAVING OUR SOUL DESTROYED ,SO YOU DISAGREE WITH JESUS RIGHT
Terricca……. No God does not have a physical body , he is spirit, God lives vicariously in and through his creation. The word Soul as applied to human beings includes a physical body, but as applied to God it does not include a physical body. You have again missed what I said Pierre, the word soul is a COMPLETE BEING rather one with a physical body or one that does not have a physical body! like God or Satan, they are spirit beings having no bodies but none the less living souls.
Do you understand what I am saying Pierre?, and Lazarus and the rich man is a parable (factious illustration) it is not to be taken literally IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 03 2014,21:10) Terricca……. No God does not have a physical body , he is spirit, God lives vicariously in and through his creation. The word Soul as applied to human beings includes a physical body, but as applied to God it does not include a physical body. You have again missed what I said Pierre, the word soul is a COMPLETE BEING rather one with a physical body or one that does not have a physical body! like God or Satan, they are spirit beings having no bodies but none the less living souls. Do you understand what I am saying Pierre?, and Lazarus and the rich man is a parable (factious illustration) it is not to be taken literally IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
geneQuote applied to God it does not include a physical body. I understand what you saying but sins we do not know what is BEING SPIRIT UNLESS YOU KNOW???
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 04 2014,00:14) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2014,03:05) Hi GB,
God views man as his dust shell, but also as a living soul.
The soul remains, living or not.Remember Lazarus
Nick……..Lazerus is a parable, (a factious illustration) it was never meant to be taken literal , you can't find where the rich man was more of a sinner then the poor man was, just the the rich man had an easer life then the poor man, and as a result the rich man had to suffer as well as the poor man once did.To me the parable illustrates that a certain amount of suffering is disposed to all of us in this life or in the next life , It seem to be needful for all to surfer and be scourged sooner or later. The parable shows also God does not permit our interference in the suffering of others later or perhaps even now. Everyone will and must be salted with fire and remember , we will not be excepted without it. So when these sufferings come upon us we need to know God our Father deals with us as dear children .
God declines his children he loves and “SCOURGES” every son he accepts. It is not easy brother, but needful that we suffer. So we need to count it all joy even we suffer, knowing the same things is happening to all of our brother and sisters even here.
WE ALL GOT MORE GOING FOR US THEN AGAINST US, IF WE SUFFER NOW, THANKS BE TO GOD OUR FATHER , WHO LOVES US AND IS TEACHING US IN OUR SUFFERINGS , WHO SORROWS US UNTO REPENTANCE,
Peace and love to you and you Nick…………………….gene
Hi GB,
Really,
Jesus made up stories that bear no relationship to truth?Do you know him?
Nick……..Where have I said it had no relationship to the truth? I never said that, a factious illustration can have very much relationship to the truth. Like the parable of the sower, do you actually believe Jesus was literally talking about actual seeds being sown in the earth. If you do then I understand your lack of understanding Nick! but I think you know differently, and remember Everything Jesus spoke openly was in parables so, hearing they hear not, and seeing they see not, perhaps you have a problem with this parable of the rich man and Lazarus also. I gave you an explanation as I understand it' s meaneing to me.
Let's try a little harder not to insult each other's intelligence like others do here OK brother. I believe I have every bit as much of the spirit of God in me, as anyone else hear does, not saying I know everything , but I also know you don't either? IMO
Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2014,02:31) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 03 2014,21:10) Terricca……. No God does not have a physical body , he is spirit, God lives vicariously in and through his creation. The word Soul as applied to human beings includes a physical body, but as applied to God it does not include a physical body. You have again missed what I said Pierre, the word soul is a COMPLETE BEING rather one with a physical body or one that does not have a physical body! like God or Satan, they are spirit beings having no bodies but none the less living souls. Do you understand what I am saying Pierre?, and Lazarus and the rich man is a parable (factious illustration) it is not to be taken literally IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
geneQuote applied to God it does not include a physical body. I understand what you saying but sins we do not know what is BEING SPIRIT UNLESS YOU KNOW???
Terricca……..It dosen't matter if it is a spirit being or a flesh being of any kind it still is the complete being not just part of him. Even when referencing Animals they also are living souls, but no buddy think when an animal dies it soul keeps on living.Botton line is when God say you will die he doesn't mean you just keep on living when you die! dead is dead! no life until a resurrection is attained , no one is still talking or going hear and there or communicating with any one when they die! there dead Period , which means no life in them.
Why do some find it so heard to believe what God Plainly said, the Soul (the complete person) that sin shall DIE. All have sinned all will die, except Jesus did not have to , but thanks be to God he did to redeem us from the grave in due time. Don't let people trick you in thinking yours still alive when you are dead that is just a false teaching that pagans believe in.
Pierre we must All attain unto the resurrection of Christ Jesus, where we will receive new physical Bodies like Jesus has a spiritual made Physical Body made by our Heavenly Father who is our ONLY GOD.
Remember what Paul said “we wait for the resurrection that will witness the redemption of our bodies”.
GOD made Adam a body that could have lived forever but because of sin it was subject to death and his DNA passed onto all men, until Jesus, who like Adam received his DNA from God the Father , he was another Adam who did not sin and his body did not see corruption in the grave! even though he did experience death just as we do. But the Spirit quickened him and he rose from the dead with the same body he died with, and it is the same body he has now and it will live forever.
We with that same spirit will also be given a SPIRITUAL made physical body exactly as he has at the resurrection or at his coming. ” now if the Spirit of him that raised Christ Jesus from the GRAVE dwell in you He (God) shall also quicken your “MORTAL” (DEAD) .”BODY”.
Peace and love to you and yours Pierre…………………….. Gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2014,09:49) Hi GB,
Like there are real seeds and real soil
so the parable is true
Nick…….So Jesus to you was talking about actual seeds being sown in the ground right? Instead of the Word he was speaking being sown in our hearts. Quite playing stupid games Nick I know you know better.And are fully aware of what I am saying .
Peace and live to you and yours ……………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2014,09:49) Hi GB,
Like there are real seeds and real soil
so the parable is true
Nick…….So Jesus to you was talking about actual seeds being sown in the ground right? Instead of the Word he was speaking being sown in our hearts. Quite playing stupid games Nick I know you know better.And are fully aware of what I am saying .
Peace and live to you and yours ……………………..gene
Hi GB,
He used everyday truth to explain deeper ones
But you reject the simple truth?No need to get offended.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2014,11:30) Hi GB,
He used everyday truth to explain deeper ones
But you reject the simple truth?No need to get offended.
Nick…….That does offend me, I do not reject “simple” truth, you tell us the soul of a person is what Jesus was talking about in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus , but the word SOUL is not even mentioned in that Parable, but you “ASSUME” it is talking about, the Soul part of a person, but no scripture says that it is just an assumption of yours and others Nick.On the one hand you demand scriptures, but on the other you say something's, and produce no specific scriptural proofs, only vague assumptions. IMO
Peace and love to you and your Nick…………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2014,10:09) Hi GB,
We do not know what we will be like.
But you do?
Nick…….Yes I Do know, “EXACTLY LIKE JESUS” IS.Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Hi GB,
I am sorry I offended you.But which other parables should we not believe are based on reality?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2014,12:19) Hi GB,
I am sorry I offended you.But which other parables should we not believe are based on reality, or did not relay a sense of a real thing to us. Jesus was using parables (factious illustrations). To relay a truism of something else like I explained the seed he spoke of was not literal grain seed, but the word of God, and he was the sower, and our heart was the ground where his spiritual seed was being sown. I know you and others know that, so we have got tone carefully to try to understand those parables in the message they are passing on to us, and that message cannot contradict other scriptures . All this you know is true I am convinced of that brother.
THE PARABLE of the rich man and pour man only illustrates the suffering is and must be part of everyone's life now or latter, it does not even mention a living departed SOUL, while the flesh is still dead that is an add on. Scripture does not say that. It is just assumed by many to say that. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours Nick……………gene
Nick………I never said the weren't, based on a sense of reality, or
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