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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2014,13:56) Hi Gb
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.I guess this is not clear enough for you?
Again I ask when the body rots and the spirit returns to God does a man not EXIST?
Nick…..May be this will help , please notice carefully what and how it is written.Psa 16:9…. Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoices : my “FLESH” ALSO shall rest in hope. “WHY” ? , BECAUSE thou will not LEAVE “my SOUL” ( nephesh ) in hell (the grave) neither will thou suffer they Holy One to see ” CORRUPTION” . Where ? IN THE GRAVE.
THE complete person can be destroyed in the grave. Now with that understanding you can understand why Jesus said fear God because he can completely destroy you, WHERE ? , In “THE GRAVE.
He simply does not have to resurrect you, and you are gone forever, there is nothing that remains alive about you, when you die, or you simply would not be dead, now would you ?
Peace and love to you and yours. …………………………gene
Nick……the Word Hell, comes from Hellos another word for grave. Look it up and see what you think.
Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2014,08:56) Hi Gb
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.I guess this is not clear enough for you?
Again I ask when the body rots and the spirit returns to God does a man not EXIST?
Nwere is this scripture comes from
Nick…….I have. Also given you clear scriptures that prove when a man dies there is not activity at all. But you chose to just ignore them to fit you dogmas, why is that Nick?
You can't expect clear dialog if you just ignore scriptures I post and hold onto one scripture where. It can be taken serial ways. You have not produced a single scripture that say a person is still alive after he dies, and have produced not one scripture showing any activity after death of a SOUL. Which is a complete being not just part of one.
As I said before Nick we will just have to agree to disagree on this point.
Peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Hi GB,
Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.Hi GB,
Psalm 16:10
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.Psalm 86:13
For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.Acts 2:27
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.6.Acts 2:31
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.Hi Gb,
Jonah was alive by the Spirit in hellAlso
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
But these verse speak of those alive in the Spirit.
Hell also houses the souls of those who are dead-especially in the pitHi GB,
Isaiah 14:9
“Sheol from beneath is excited over you to meet you when you come; It arouses for you the spirits of the dead, all the leaders of the earth; It raises all the kings of the nations from their thrones.Hi GB,
Your problem is that you ALWAYS interpret Sheol as THE GRAVE
That is not appropriateHosea 13:14
Shall I ransom them from the power of Sheol? Shall I redeem them from death? O Death, where are your thorns? O Sheol, where is your sting? Compassion will be hidden from My sight.Hi GB,
Paul, the tentmaker, longed to put off his tent and Peter, the one who wanted to build tabernacles on the mountain knew he would soon put of his tabernacle.
So they saw death that way.If their spirits returned to God at death, and we know dead men do not where were they or would they not exist any more either?
God blew into the dust of flesh and man became a LIVING SOUL.
What is he when he loses the spirit?NiCk………Yes I am a LIVING SOUL, I am not denying the soul, I never did deny it, in fact that is exactly what we are while alive is a, “living Soul” when we are dead we are a dead soul. Our difference is, your seeming a soul as a “SEPARATE” part of a human being, and I see it as the whole human being, body and spirit.. I accept the word dead as meaning dead, while you believe when you die your really not dead. But scripture disagrees with that in my opinion.
Like where you quoted. Psalm 16:10, leaving off verse 9, which is why verse 10 was written to give reason to what was said in verse 9 ,
Psa 16:9……> Therefore my heart is glad and my glory rejoices : my flesh also shall rest in hope, WHY? Will his flesh rest in hope, Verse 10, “because” you will not leave my SOUL in Hell; neither will you suffer your Holy One to see “CORRUPTION” , so it says, and it ties hell and corruption together and ties the Soul, in that corruptible state also right?,
Now let's talk about what Jesus said where God could destroy “BOTH” body and soul, where IN HELL, so hell is the same place as the body goes when it dies. IT doesn't say God can destroy the body in one place and the Soul in another place as you must assume, if the body and Soul are not connected right?
And I also quoted Genensis where it PLAINLY tell us that God made man from the dust of the ground and breathe into him the breath of life, and “THEN” man became a. “LIVING SOUL”, I see no mention of a body and spirit, AND some kind of Preexisting Soul added mentioned there. But it simply says after God did what he did, THEN, man BECAME ( came to be ) A “LIVING SOUL” nothing about the soul coming into a man separately or God adding a separate Soul into him.
Question is Nick, why are you trying to deny those scriptures I have quoted to you brother, and treat them as if they do not exist?
Common sense should tell you dead is dead, and is not meaning still alive in any sense of the word. I wish I could say we are still alive and believe when I die I am still alive and living, as all pagan religions believe, especially like the Greeks who took the word Grave and made it into a place of the “living” dead.
I tell you brother as I have before unless we attain to the resurrection there will be no life left, the resurrection is our only hope and that includes a body “spiritually” created by God himself, a body we will receive from him that will never die, because it is “spiritually” created, not coming from another human being but from God himself. Just like Jesus was born with and still has. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Hi GB,
A whole human being?
scriptures such as heb4 and 1 thess 5 have shown you the different aspects of man but you cannot accept them?Nick………yes a “whole” living 'being is a “Living Soul”, if God were extract the spirit from you, you would be a dead soul and the word dead truly means dead, and as the scriptures i have posted to says, there is no work or device in the grave, in the day a man dies his thoughts parish. Nick do you think God was lying, or being deceptive when he said to Adam and Eve , that if they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that they would ” SURELY DIE” he was just kidding?.
Do you believe God was lying when he said, Dust you “ARE” and dust shall return. What is the YOU there mean to you, just part of you or all of you. Is God a deceiver and really doesn't mean what he says?
Nick…show one scripture where God took Dust and Soul and Spirit to make a living human being, as you assume he did.
peace and love to you and yours……………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2014,11:15) Hi Gb,
Jonah was alive by the Spirit in hellAlso
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
But these verse speak of those alive in the Spirit.
Hell also houses the souls of those who are dead-especially in the pit
NQuote Jonah was alive by the Spirit in hell scriptures says Jonas was alive as a total human being but in a unfortunate situation ,based on his refusal of doing the will of his God ,as a prophet ,
let not say or had what is not supported by the scriptures
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