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Hi Georg,
Jesus taught quite a lot about Hades in Lk16.
Should we listen to him or you?I do not think either that you can state what is not literal from your own opinion.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 06 2008,22:43) Hi Georg,
Jesus taught quite a lot about Hades in Lk16.
Should we listen to him or you?I do not think either that you can state what is not literal from your own opinion.
Nick…… neither can you state what is literal or not, the bible does not tell when something is literal or not Except for the book of revelations and Jesus said He spoke in parables to the people but to his deciles he explained them, we have to make that distinction ourselves with the guidance of God spirit. The time will come when everyone will know the complete truth. The bible is flooded with symbolic language and can not be understood from a literal understanding, that why it takes God's spirit to understand it. Jesus said you will all be (TAUGHT BY GOD) it takes his spirit or you just don't get it.imo………gene
Hi GB,
Scripture does tell us when Jesus was speaking in parables. It tells us when men saw visions.But LK 16 says
” 19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,..”
No mention of a parable and even names are mentioned which occurs in no other parable.
Hi GB,
Men do allegorise verses unlawfully when they find friction with their personal opinions.
But true knowledge comes by assimilating what is written by alignment with other verses.
We need to decide whether the Spirit of God as speaking in scripture is our teacher or not.Nick………the story of Lazarus and the rich man is symbolic, when has anyone except Jesus ever risen from the grave, so how could Lazarus have went to Abraham's bosom. That was all an allegory of the sufferings of people now and will be relieved of the suffering in the future and those who must suffer later, as it shows and not a actual event that has taken place yet. And if you care to see look into the scriptures your will find Lazarus was Abraham's servant.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 07 2008,09:43) Nick………the story of Lazarus and the rich man is symbolic, when has anyone except Jesus ever risen from the grave, so how could Lazarus have went to Abraham's bosom. That was all an allegory of the sufferings of people now and will be relieved of the suffering in the future and those who must suffer later, as it shows and not a actual event that has taken place yet. And if you care to see look into the scriptures your will find Lazarus was Abraham's servant.
Hi GB,
Really?
On what grounds do you deny the words of the Master?Nick…….Show me where i have denied the words of the master, I think it's you who are adding to the words of the master that is the problem, not me.Please show us when any proceeded Jesus in resurrection life and I might see your point. Other wise it you who is misinturpiting the scriptures as an actual event that has taken place, not me.
Hi GB,
You have told us that Jesus was only using symbolism when he taught in Lk 16, but he did not say so.Nick….true, but show me where He said it wasn't a parable or a analogy or symbolic and seening He taught so much that way why not conclude that this story was also that way, didn't it say he did not talk to them except in parables. And you as well as i Know no one had been rasied to eternal life at the time before Jesus was. So the story had to be some form of parable or allegoric
story of some kind.Hi GB,
There lots of things that are not said in scripture so we cannot draw doctrine on those things.What we do know is that Abraham and Isaac and Jacob are alive to God. They already enjoy the life in the Spirit we are promised and will sit with us in the kingdom. The Prophets too had the Spirit of God in them[1Peter1] so will also already be sharing the promises.
Nick…..Scripture says Jesus was the first to be raised from the dead and all those who have died have not risen even King David it says has not risen , 'his grave remains with us to this day, David is not risen it says. While we can consider them all a sleep i really don't think they are raised yet. imo
Hi GB,
The Spirit abides in those who sleep in Christ, unto the resurrection.Rom8
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Hi,
Many see man as only a twofold being, spirit and body.
But if so in what way are we made in the likeness of God?
God is not of earthly dust and is more than His Spirit.I think when it says we are in the likeness of God, we were created with attributes of God: love, wisdom, etc.
Hi david,
Is that written?Gal5
16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
The godly fruit God finds useful is not from the nature of man but His nature within us.
Quote Hi david,
Is that written?It is just as written as the idea that God has eyes and we have eyes, so we're in the image of God. I personally think God describes himself in imagery so we can understand.
God had created all kinds of animals, and these worked mostly on instinct. Then, he created something enterely different, man. Man, was created in God's image, and I have to think this means we have some of his attributes.
If your scripture was meant to tell me that men do bad things, yes, they are sinful …. now. Adam was created in God's image.
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