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Hi Jodi,
I am sure that you know that the Holy Spirit spoke through Jesus Christ.
Also that he recognised and drove out unclean spirits in the power of the same Holy Spirit.
You do realise that the word of God is truth and the testimony of the apostles is accurate and reliable.
So surely you will recant from your claims that there was any influence from the culture and pagan superstitions?
Hi Jodi,
Why do you think the fruit of the devil would be be greater than that of wild animals?
The sons of the devil display the expected demonic character.
Jas 3.15
This wisdom is not that which comes down from above,
but is earthly, natural, demonic.
Nick as I clearly distinguished the difference between SCRIPTURE and the early Christian Church, the FALSE ONE. Seriously comprehend please! I would obviously be speaking of FALSE teachers and heretics, such as the Roman Catholic Church founded under Constantine, who were people who loved Plato and pagan beliefs, and the translators who translated according to their false doctrine, and not the WRITERS THEMSELVES who belong to the true Christian Church.
Yes and earthly, natural means it comes from the creature itself part of there VERY NATURE, FROM WITHIN, that is exactly what WITHIN and NATURAL means!! Demonic as meaning UNCLEAN, not some pagan idea of a demon.
That scripture is comparing God’s wisdom that does come down from above verses the wisdom that comes from man himself, it is telling us exactly that it is coming from within man himself as part of his VERY NATURE. You twist the whole scripture because you see the word demonic and have an error in your definition, which causes your understanding to reduce the word of God into a CONTRADICTION.
Nick, demonic, in the context of those scriptures can simply mean evil, and it can be comming from the man himself, could it not?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Jodi,
Jas 3.16
For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist there is disorder and every evil thing.
Such is the fruit of earthly demonic wisdom.
Hi Jodi,
I see you blame the false church and their evil translators.
So do you think the bible is not really to be trusted?
Do you think the manuscripts actually lie?
Was God unable to preserve His truth?
So your ideas are our only hope?
No you are a false teacher.
Nick…..do you think spirits are like complete beings of somekind with there own minds to will, or are they what makes up thinking by giving those they are in, their paticular type or kind of cognitive influences? Do you see them as complete beings of some kind?
I kind of see spirits as what makes up life itself, they come in two types, either good or evil, every spirit falls in one or the other of those two categories, as to the good ones there is no end to them, and as to the evil there is no end either, while the evil goes down, the good goes up, they go in opposite drections, but both represent what life is composed of. They are what life consists of and always has and always will, without them both there would be no comprehensions of what life is. The two explain the way of life, they are necessary to give us wisdom and understanding of life.
That is the way i kinda see them. Depending on how much evil or good spirit are influence we have in us that is the way we tend to live, because they are imparting there paticular influences. I don’t really see them as complete individual beings but aspects or parts of life. Each contributing their own particular influences of life. By understanding them we learn how to live life.
Do you believe spirits are complete individual being of somekind that can go in and out of bodies or are they types and kinds of influences effecting the minds of things?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene,
Dreams are free.
There is only One Who is good.
All goodness and kindness and love and truth is from Him.
God is Spirit.
The Spirit is one.
I saw in another of your posts that you come up with ideas and then search for scriptural support. This is a good example.
Nick….We differ some on that as i believe that angels have actual bodies much like us with spirits in them given by God like us also. Angels can not come into a person, but demonic spirits on the other can, as well as the (holy) or special spirit of God (the spirit of truth) which he gives unto us, to guide us into all truth.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Unclean
Luke 4: 33 In the synagogue there was a man possessed by the spirit of an unclean demon, and he cried out with a loud voice, 34 “Let us alone! What business do we have with each other, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are-the Holy One of God!” 35 But Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be quiet and come out of him!” And when the demon had thrown him down in the midst of the people, he came out of him without doing him any harm. 36 And amazement came upon them all, and they began talking with one another saying, “What is this message? For with authority and power He commands the unclean spirits and they come out.”
Luke 8: 2 and also some women who had been healed of evil spirits and sicknesses: Mary who was called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out,… 27 And when He came out onto the land, He was met by a man from the city who was possessed with demons; and who had not put on any clothing for a long time, and was not living in a house, but in the tombs…. 29 For He had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For it had seized him many times; and he was bound with chains and shackles and kept under guard, and yet he would break his bonds and be driven by the demon into the desert….35 The people went out to see what had happened; and they came to Jesus, and found the man from whom the demons had gone out, sitting down at the feet of Jesus, clothed and in his right mind; and they became frightened…
Demon represents unclean, likewise when we read earthly, natural, demonic, demonic is to be rendered UNCLEAN.
We see all throughout the OT the word unclean, it presents both plagues that God casts onto people making them unclean as well as the sins of the people that make them unholy. These plagues included making people deaf, dumb, blind, mad, and diseased with such things as leprosy.
Leviticus 13:43 Then the priest shall look upon it: and, behold, if the rising of the sore be white reddish in his bald head, or in his bald forehead, as the leprosy appeareth in the skin of the flesh; 44 He is a leprous man, he is unclean: the priest shall pronounce him utterly unclean; his plague is in his head. 45 And the leper in whom the plague is, his clothes shall be rent, and his head bare, and he shall put a covering upon his upper lip, and shall cry, Unclean, unclean. 46 All the days wherein the plague shall be in him he shall be defiled; he is unclean: he shall dwell alone; without the camp shall his habitation be.
Ecclesiastes 9:2 All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath.
Ezekiel 44: 23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
Jeremiah 13:25 This is thy lot, the portion of thy measures from me, saith the LORD; because thou hast forgotten me, and trusted in falsehood. 26 Therefore will I discover thy skirts upon thy face, that thy shame may appear. 27 I have seen thine adulteries, and thy neighings, the lewdness of thy whoredom, and thine abominations on the hills in the fields. Woe unto thee, O Jerusalem! wilt thou not be made clean? when shall it once be?
Micah 2:11 If a man walking in a spirit of falsehood do lie, [saying], I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people.
21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake; for the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth.
18 A heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, Lamentations
Demons are UNCLEAN spirits and are DEFINED in the OT as either plagues cast by God, or unclean spirits, such as the spirit of falsehood that comes from WITHIN a man, out of the heart and man’s OWN IMAGINATION. Imagination is to be understood as an INVENTION coming from man’s OWN mind. Man himself INVENTS it. Just as God INVENTS/Creates from His own mind, man likewise has that ability. Man can use that imagination under the will of God in a holy manner, or he can use it in an unclean, unholy manner, purely under man’s OWN ego and his desires to serve his flesh.
There is nothing in scripture to lead us to believe that demons are rebellious supernatural entities that inflict man. DEMONS are unclean spirits, and we are told DIRECTLY from multiple scriptures throughout the OT what unclean spirits are. I will believe the scriptures and use the definitions of which they provide, I will not lean on the pagan converts and pagan philosophers and their definitions to which most Christians follow in their blindness making themselves whores. They all dwell in a kingdom of darkness, that kingdom is a world of sin and idolatry produce by their own imaginations, that leads them to the darkness of death.
Hi Jodi,
Yes Jesus spoke with these unclean spirits and drove them out of people.
He knew what was inside a man. No superstition was involved in his work and teaching.
They caused illnesses and diseases and the Son came to set men free from the dominion of darkness.
His brothers continued the work in his Spirit and some still do this essential work.
Even the seven sons of Sceva had a go but they learned a painful lesson.
But it is easier to let the Spirit do the work. The Word spoken to them cleansed the brothers.
Those who walk in the Spirit are cleansed by the Spirit. Sin cannot abide with the Light.
But make sure the light in you is not darkness for O how deep that darkness can be.
Hi Gene,
Yes it is what is inside a man that makes him unclean.
Out of the mouth comes what the heart is full of.
Yes as I have said there is NO superstition involved in the teachings of Jesus, superstition is with the interpretation of what Jesus spoke, interpreting what he spoke from a tradition of pagan influences. WHY would you continue to mention something that I have FIRMLY established and act like I have established the OPPOSITE, that makes you a CREEP sir.
Jesus called demons unclean spirits, he called a demon/unclean spirit a DEAF and DUMB spirit. He REBUKED speaking to this DEAF spirit, just as he REBUKED and spoke to a FEVER. This is scriptural FACT. Jesus likewise REBUKED, and spoke to the WIND!!!!!! So get it out of your head that Jesus was speaking to some sort of independent supernatural being when he was HEALING people from unclean spirits, unless of course you want to believe also that the WIND which God controls is also a LIE and the wind itself is a supernatural rebellious entity. Leprosy is called an unclean spirit, and we see in the OT that God specifically inflicts humans with leprosy.
Also scriptural FACT is that God makes the DUMB and the DEAF, but you just continue to IGNORE this, you have not responded to this. God was specifically telling man that there are NO OTHER gods, or other beings that can do this, that He ALONE can bring cursing and plagues of unclean spirits, such as deafness, dumbness, insanity, blindness, leprosy, fever, crippling…ect.. this is why He tells us that HE ALONE is who man should FEAR!
I have scripture that shows the FACT that God makes the deaf and the dumb and that they are called unclean spirits. I have the fact where God directly is casting unclean spirits onto man.
You do not have a scripture that says that supernatural rebellious entities make people deaf and dumb NOW DO YOU? All you have is the way in which you choose to “interpret” the word demon, that INTERPRETATION cannot be proven anywhere in any scripture, it is a tradition of man.
Hi Jodi,
Yes unclean spirits cause diseases and fevers so the word of the Lord freed them and healed them.
Please show how and where the superstitious interpretations of the hearers transformed the meaning of his words.
Did it affect the recordings of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John and make scripture unreliable?
Should we all share the awful doubts about truth that seriously trouble you?
Do you think we should understand more than the Son of God?
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