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Jodi….I do believe the bible is full of symbolisms and medaphors especially in Genesis and revelations. Heres some in Genesis i have come to see.
Tree……That which produces from self.
Eat…….To take to one’s self…..So where God says, you shall not “eat” from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, He was actually saying , you shall not “take to yourselves” to produce from “yourselves” like the tree of the knowledge of good and evil does, because that would require them to personally experience both the good and the evil themselves. God was warning them what would happen to them if the did decide, to take it to themselves to know good and evil.There are many other medaphors used also in scriptures.
Jodi…You have brought out some good points.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
.Nick, SO I SAY??
I asked YOU questions,
Is theos to those who spoke Greek represented as the ONE true God solely? Did they only use theos to mean the ONE TRUE God, or were there many theos? Every time the people who spoke Greek uttered the word diabolos they were referring to your supernatural entity, or were they referring to an individual who slandered/ falsely accused? Every time the Hebrews said saw-tawn they were referring to your Satan, or they were referring to an individual they were calling an adversary?
PLEASE answer these SIMPLE questions!!
Original Word Word Origin
hwhy from (01961)
Transliterated Word
Yehovah TWOT – 484a
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
yeh-ho-vaw’ Proper Name
Definition
Jehovah = “the existing One”
the proper name of the one true God
unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136King James Word Usage – Total: 6519
LORD 6510, GOD 4, JEHOVAH 4, variant 1The ONE TRUE God’s name is Yehovah, but he is called several things, Father, Creator, theos, elohiym,
Acts 17:26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,
“And he changeth the times and the seasons; He removeth
kings, and setteth up kings; he giveth wisdom unto the wise,
and knowledge to them that know understanding. He revealeth
the deep and secret things; he knoweth what is in the darkness,
and the light dwelleth with him.” ( Dn 2: 20-22 )17 This matter is by the decree of the
watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the
intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in
the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and
setteth up over it the basest of men.”
( Dn 4: 13-17 abbreviated )“25 That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling
shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee
to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of
heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know
that the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and
giveth it to whomsoever He will. 26 And whereas they
commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom
shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known
that the heavens do rule.” ( Dn 4: 25-26 )“31 While the word was in the king’s mouth, there fell a voice
from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is
spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee. 32 And they shall
drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts
of the field; they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven
times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the Most High
ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He
will.” ( Dn 4: 31-32 )“And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was
made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses;
they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the
dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the
kingdom of men, and that He appointeth over it whomsoever
he will.” ( Dn 5: 21 )God sets up and removes kings, he even will harden the heart of a king in order to bring about His will.
God forms the light and creates the darkness, he brings blessings and cursing, his angels are called saw-tawn/adversaries. He makes a man to EAT GRASS like an oxen, he makes the blind, deaf, mute, and mad. He casts unclean spirits. This is ALL DIRECT SCRIPTURE Nick. and God says HE ALONE does these things.
If God is the ONE who raises up and casts down Kings and Princes, and Man is “tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.”
Then what exactly does YOUR supernatural entity with no NAME do?
Who is the god of this world, to whom does MAN SERVE? To who do we owe the wisdom of this world to?
Romans 16: 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1 Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. 21 Therefore let no man glory in men.
It is FIRMLY established in scripture that the WISDOM of this WORLD comes from man, man that DECEIVES HIMSELF, men that operate by THEIR OWN craftiness and vanity.
2 Corinthians 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Matthew 23:15 15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. 16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides,
Ephesians 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
There is NO scripture that says a supernatural entity causes men to go blind. God literally causes men to go blind, and men create their own darkness and lead others into it, as the Pharisees and scribes have been accused of doing because OF their OWN blindness, from the ignorance that is in them.
I repeat scriptures because you continue to not acknowledge them. You do not explain how they fit into your doctrine.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Luke 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink*, neither be ye of doubtful mind. 30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. 31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Who hated Jesus? Who brought him to his crucifixion?
1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:…8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory…11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
The spirit of the world is the spirit of man that does not know the Spirit of God, they refuse to follow it.
Nick you deny what all these scriptures are telling you, instead you take a handful of scriptures and define them making the word of God become a disgraceful contradiction. You take TITLES from a handful of scriptures denying the surrounding text and the definitions created by other scriptures that clearly identify who those TITLES are referring to. You take the titles and define them as an entity who ITSELF has NO NAME and is not directly spoken of in scripture.
2 Corinthians 1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.
Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by NATURE the children of wrath, even as others.
Romans 7: For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
1 John 2: 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
It is philosophy that MAN created from himself, it is traditions of men that men created themselves through their OWN ignorance and imagination. So where does your supernatural entity fit?
Who is the god of this world, to whom does MAN SERVE? To who do we owe the wisdom of this world to?
Romans 16: 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1 Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. 21 Therefore let no man glory in men.
It is FIRMLY established in scripture that the WISDOM of this WORLD comes from man, man that DECEIVES HIMSELF, men that operate by THEIR OWN craftiness and vanity.
2 Corinthians 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Matthew 23:15 15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. 16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides,
Ephesians 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
There is NO scripture that says a supernatural entity causes men to go blind. God literally causes men to go blind, and men create their own darkness and lead others into it, as the Pharisees and scribes have been accused of doing because OF their OWN blindness, from the ignorance that is in them.
I repeat scriptures because you continue to not acknowledge them. You do not explain how they fit into your doctrine.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Luke 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink*, neither be ye of doubtful mind. 30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. 31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Who hated Jesus? Who brought him to his crucifixion?
1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:…8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory…11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
The spirit of the world is the spirit of man that does not know the Spirit of God, they refuse to follow it.
Nick you deny what all these scriptures are telling you, instead you take a handful of scriptures and define them making the word of God become a disgraceful contradiction. You take TITLES from a handful of scriptures denying the surrounding text and the definitions created by other scriptures that clearly identify who those TITLES are referring to. You take the titles and define them as an entity who ITSELF has NO NAME and is not directly spoken of in scripture.
2 Corinthians 1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.
Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by NATURE the children of wrath, even as others.
Romans 7: For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
1 John 2: 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
It is philosophy that MAN created from himself, it is traditions of men that men created themselves through their OWN ignorance and imagination. So where does your supernatural entity fit in?
Hi Jodi,
No “I am Who am” is a descriptive name.
Do you have a personal name for our God?
Jesus used the word “God”as that was the local preference(Jn 8.54) but preferred to speak of his “ Father”.
Hi Jodi,
I am losing interest in your self serving repetition.
You have convinced yourself.
Not enough for you?
Nick…..Jodi is right in what she has presented here brother IMO, SHE HAS USED SCRIPTURE TO BACK UP WHAT SHE IS SAYING. It really is scripturally presented, think about it Nick.
I have said before GOD takes responsibility for everything, both good and evil, that is why HE OFFERED UP “HIS” SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS, IN THAT IT WAS HIS SACRIFICE, HE CAIMS COMPLETE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL SIN, AND ALL THINGS RATHER GOOD OR EVIL. IT IS GOD THE FATHER THAT, IS “IN” ALL THINGS, AND WORKS THROUGH ALL THINGS.
What Jodi has said here tends to agrees with this, IMO.
Peace and love to you and Jodi, and yours………gene
Hi Jodi,
Little children, guard yourselves from idols. 1jn 5.21
Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to
immorality,impurity, passion, evil desire and greed, which amounts to idolatry.
col3 5-6
Yes, for the forgiven, the struggle is to regain the territory lost and not to listen to lusts and fall again.
And one of the risks is to worship your mind and follow your imagination into deep darkness.
Make sure the light in you is not darkness, for O how deep that darkness can be.
Hi Gene,
No surprises there.
Her foundation is not faith but doubt.
Many will find her arguments compelling but doubt is no anchor.
Hi Gene,
Quoting your own ideas as a back up to Jodi’s carries little weight.
You need a firmer foundation.
Hi Gene,
Jodi would blame God for evil.
Jodi would make your enemy every man.
She would make your worst enemy your own soul.
Do not be distracted by her copied and pasted imaginations.
Eph 6.10f
Finally be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the full armour of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Stand firm, Therefore,having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation is f the gospel of peace; in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.
With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit…..
Nick….If God can cause evil to be in a bottomless pit, and remove it from the earth for a thousand years, what you think he couldn’t have prevented evil from ever becomming a problem for mankind? There is no end to evil (hence a bottomless pit), just as there is no end to good either, it takes evil to explain what is good, good and evil will always be an intrical part of life, that is why it was and is important to experience them both. GOD KNEW ALONG INORDER FOR US TO BE MORE LIKE HIM WE ALL NEEDED TO EXPIERENCE GOOD AND EVIL, SO HE EXPOSED US ALL TO IT. So WHEN MAN TOOK TO HIMSELF TO KNOW BOTH, INORDER TO BECOME MORE LIKE GOD, THEY NEEDED TO BE EXPOSED TO IT, TO GAIN WISDOM ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF GOOD AND EVIL, SO THAT WITH THE SPIRIT OF GOD WE CAN OVERCOME EVIL BY DOING GOOD. Nick i believe it was and is all in the plan of God right from the begining brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Nick please answer the following
Isn’t your supernatural evil entity you believe influences man a creature made from God?
Who is this creature anyway? Fallen angel, or what?
What desires does this creature have?
Hi Jodi,
No definite revelation on this.
But starting from Eph 2.2 we see ‘the prince of the power of the air”
Is he a prince like Michael and the other princes in Daniel?
He was with the sons of God before the Lord in Job 1 and 2.
Is he a heavenly son like those shown in Jb 38.7 and ps 89.8?
Hi Nick,
If you could give some clarification, I’d appreciate it,
You believe that the serpent in the Garden was a literal serpent but was a vessel for a rebellious other creature of God correct?
Could serpents before the fall talk?…or was the serpent, I’d imagine pretty shocking to Eve, by all of the sudden being able to speak?
So were the words the serpent spoke his own but he himself was deceived by the influence of the rebellious creature?
Or, if the serpent couldn’t ever actually speak, was he even consciously aware that he was overtaken by another creature?
14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
I guess if one believes the serpent was a literal serpent, given the fact that God says, “because thou hast done this,” the serpent is literally at fault for something.
He must have been consciously aware of his actions and allowed himself to be influenced/ or allowed himself to be a vessel?
Nick, it makes sense to you that when you look upon the earth it is evident that the serpent is the most cursed living thing that God had made on land?
Or maybe if the serpent could literally talk and was consciously aware of God and the rebellious creature, that he was punished with no longer being able to speak and no longer having a higher intellect that made him consciously aware, but now would just crawl on it’s belly and survive through his jacobson organ.
Prior to the fall do you think that Adam and Eve enjoyed the intellect and conversations with serpents? Before God made Eve the serpent might have been Adam’s favorite creature perhaps. Of course though as God set Adam and Eve over all living creatures they did have to have a higher intellect than serpents. But maybe not, at least not for Eve, as the serpent was able to deceive her.
I just find it confusing if the serpent was literally the most crafty creature on land from the Creation that God had made with Adam and Eve in it, then wouldn’t it be the serpent’s OWN craftiness that deceived Eve and not some outside influence?
The scriptures sure seem to say so,
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve THROUGH HIS subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
The deception came through the most crafty creature on land, it didn’t come from other land creatures as they weren’t as crafty.
Is it not clear that the question to Eve by the serpent came OUT of the serpents OWN craftiness? Scripture clearly says “through HIS subtilty.”
When we get to the enmity between the serpent’s seed and the woman’s seed, you now believe that the serpent no longer represents a literal serpent, but now represents the influential rebellious creature and his seed are those that allow his influences, correct?
When we read of the Old Serpent in Revelation’s 12 this is not referring to the literal serpent in the Garden, but you believe it’s the creature that influenced the serpent, back in the Garden correct?
So why call him a serpent at all? Why does he not have his OWN name and why is his identity never clarified anywhere in scripture?
The adversary in Revelation’s 12 that is also called the old serpent doesn’t literally wage war against the woman’s seed, men -the kings and princes of the world and their messengers are the ones who literal make war, they are just under the influence of the adversary, is what you believe correct?
If you believe that this adversary is a creature of God and has an intellect that can rebel against God out of his own desires, wouldn’t it also be possible that God’s other creatures also having an intellect could likewise rebel against God from their own desires as well?
Hi Jodi,
Then the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey and she said to Balaam
“What have I done to you that you have struck me three times”
Then Balaam said to the donkey…..
num 22.28f
Why are you surprised at the abilities of God?
Balaam was not surprised and conversed with the animal.
I am not interested in musing about the whys and wherefores of the judgements of God.
I am not His judge-are you?
Hi Jodi,
Rev 20.7
“When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth,
Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like
the sands of the seashore”
Man is a weak and foolish vessel in the hands of his master.
Hi Jodi,
The seed of the serpent is the brood of vipers.
The seed of the woman is true Israel, new Jerusalem.
Rom 11
Rev 12
Rev 21
1jn 5.18f
We know that no one who is born of God sins, but he who was born of God keeps him
and the evil one does not touch him.
We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one
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