The Peshitta

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Quote (Lightenup @ May 24 2013,11:10)

Kerwin,
Do you have a corporeal body? Yes or no. Here is a definition of corporeal:

cor·po·re·al
adjective \kȯr-ˈpȯr-ē-əl\
1
: having, consisting of, or relating to a physical material body: as
a : not spiritual
b : not immaterial or intangible : substantial

I believe that the scriptures call it 'earthly body.'

For example:
Col 3:5 Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.

LU,

“Members that are on earth” is another way to say “earthly body” according to intelinear.org.

There is a body from earth and a body from heaven. Both bodies can be corporeal though the Gnostics teach the heavenly body is not corporeal.

May 24, 2013 at 6:55 pm#345544

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Kerwin,
What if the Spirit of God gives the Son freedom to speak and rule as He sees fit in certain situations, especially after His resurrection when He had been given all authority? Then the Son is the source of His own words and actions.

See Kerwin, if person (A) was your authority that you were required to listen to and obey, and person (A) was telling you everything to say and do through a speaker in your ear, and person (A) was telling you word for word and step by step, that is one thing; but if person (A) said that it was their desire that you just do what you think best and give you freedom to speak and act as you see fit during a certain period…well all that you said and did would be under the person (A)'s directives but one way would be speaking person (A)'s words and the other way you would be speaking your own words and would be originating from YOU. Both ways would be according to person (A's) authority.

Do you understand this?

LU,

I am not understanding it right now, but perhaps later.

Jesus loves God and does as he commands, nothing that Jesus does comes from the flesh. That which comes from the flesh is from man. That which comes from the Spirit is from God. These things I understand.

Ok Kerwin,
I will say it in another way.

If an actor only did the will of the director then he would do as the director directed him to do. Sometimes an actor's actions and words are in the script and sometimes the director gives the actor direction to adlib, in other words…use his own words and not the words of the script. So whether the actor was following the script perfectly when he was supposed to or ad-libbing when he was supposed to, he was always doing the will of the director. Sometimes the words and actions were from the director who chose the script and sometimes the words were directly from the actor himself. See?

LU,

I am somewhat recovered from waking up and read through what you wrote before.

When it comes from God either way is of God. In the first case God speaks the words to you and has you repeat them while in the second case the words are the fruit of the Spirit, by which God dwells in you.

The doctrine of God does not come from a man though teach it. It does not come from mankind though in it is their salvation. It comes from God and God chose Jesus as both its pioneer and finisher.

Kerwin,

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while in the second case the words are the fruit of the Spirit

Sometimes we are given what to speak by the Spirit of God but 'words' are not listed as one of the 'fruits of the Spirit.'

The fruits of the Spirit guides the manner in which we say OUR words though, whether we speak our words patiently, or lovingly, or joyfully, or peacefully, or kindly, etc..

LU,

The fruits of the Spirit are righteousness with some examples being listed in Galatians 5. The fruits of the flesh is sin with some examples listed in Galatians 5 as well. You can either live by one or the other at any given time but not by both or not by an non-scriptural third.

Words said in righteousness are the fruit of the Spirit while words said in sin are the fruit of the flesh.

I am convinced the Spirit compels as it is God's Love in you and so you act and learn to act out of God's Love.

Jesus was made perfect by learning from the Spirit.

May 25, 2013 at 1:07 am#345569

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Jesus' words you are referring to are the fruit of the Spirit and for that reason are of God. I look at his doctrinal words differently. He speaks them as he is carried along by the spirit. Jesus' words are never the fruits of the flesh.

Really Kerwin?

You think the words, “Please Father, take this cup away from me” represent the fruit of the Spirit – and not the fruit of a flesh man who was afraid of the pain and suffering he was about to go through?

I disagree.

May 25, 2013 at 1:15 am#345585

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Quote (Lightenup @ May 19 2013,19:23)

kerwin

Jesus is theos in nature just as His Father is. Heb 1:3
John the Baptist was human in nature just as his father was.

Possessing or sharing in a nature doesn't make you a certain person.

Eve shares Adam's nature and so do we.

We are not Adam, but in nature we are.

Likewise Jesus existed in the form of God. That is very different to existing as God himself.

Further we share in divine nature and it is written that God has divine nature. Simply put, we are not God either because of divine nature.

God is a Spirit and angels are spirits, again, that is not to be taken that angels are God.

Identity and nature, two different things and not to be confused.

May 25, 2013 at 1:21 am#345586

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Well put, t8. I also enjoyed the quote you posted in your debate with Kathi…….. the one about being too busy denying our mistakes.

May 25, 2013 at 1:22 am#345587

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Origen considered that John wrote his gospel in Greek.

“We next notice John’s use of the article [“the”] in these sentences. He does not write without care in this respect, nor is he unfamiliar with the niceties of the Greek tongue. In some cases he uses the article, and in some he omits it. He adds the article to the Word, but to the name of theos he adds it sometimes only. He uses the article, when the name of theos refers to the uncreated cause of all things, and omits it when the Word is named theos.

May 25, 2013 at 1:23 am#345588

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Cheers Mike.

May 25, 2013 at 6:05 am#345604

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kerwin

Jesus is theos in nature just as His Father is. Heb 1:3
John the Baptist was human in nature just as his father was.

Possessing or sharing in a nature doesn't make you a certain person.

Eve shares Adam's nature and so do we.

We are not Adam, but in nature we are.

Likewise Jesus existed in the form of God. That is very different to existing as God himself.

Further we share in divine nature and it is written that God has divine nature. Simply put, we are not God either because of divine nature.

God is a Spirit and angels are spirits, again, that is not to be taken that angels are God.

Identity and nature, two different things and not to be confused.

Nobody is saying that the Son is the Father, t8.

The Heavenly Father beget His eternal Son who is the same type of being.

Are your children the same type of being as you?

It is really so simple!!

May 25, 2013 at 6:16 am#345606

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Quote (t8 @ May 24 2013,20:22)

Origen considered that John wrote his gospel in Greek.

The gospel went to the Jew first and then to the Greek. It is entirely possible that John wrote in Aramaic first and then handed it to a scribe to write in Greek. Or if he was able, he could have written it in his native tongue first which was Aramaic and then rewritten it in Greek himself. Or he just wrote it in Aramaic and someone else translated it into Greek. All of these are possiblities. What I believe is significant is that the Gospel was sent to the Jews first (who spoke Aramaic as their paternal language).

Ultimately whether only written in Greek originally or not, Jesus' name is Jehovah our Righteousness and we find that in the Hebrew manuscript which is uncontested as the original language of the OT. That is what this thread is ultimately about…whether or not Jesus is Jehovah.

Again, Jesus is Jehovah our Righteousness!! Amen

May 25, 2013 at 10:34 am#345611

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Really Kerwin?

I disagree.

Mike,

I hear you but Scripture speaks of only the flesh and the Spirit. There is no third option.

May 26, 2013 at 12:57 am#345646

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kerwin

Jesus is theos in nature just as His Father is. Heb 1:3
John the Baptist was human in nature just as his father was.

Possessing or sharing in a nature doesn't make you a certain person.

Eve shares Adam's nature and so do we.

We are not Adam, but in nature we are.

Likewise Jesus existed in the form of God. That is very different to existing as God himself.

Further we share in divine nature and it is written that God has divine nature. Simply put, we are not God either because of divine nature.

God is a Spirit and angels are spirits, again, that is not to be taken that angels are God.

Identity and nature, two different things and not to be confused.

yes ,it is hard for some to understand,well said

May 26, 2013 at 1:05 am#345647

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Really Kerwin?

I disagree.

Mike,

I hear you but Scripture speaks of only the flesh and the Spirit. There is no third option.

Kerwin

the spirit of men ; is wicked and corrupt this means his mind and heart ;why because he does not learn the things that god provide to be change in his ways ;the fruit of the Spirit

means THE FRUITS OF GODS SPIRIT ;NOT AN OTHER SPIRIT

AND BY APPLYING THOSE TEACHINGS TO OUR SELVES WE DO NOT

DO THE THINGS TO SATISFY THE FLESH (OUR OWN EGO)

AND SO BECOME RIGHTEOUS LIKE DANIEL AND JOSEPH AND JEREMY PEOPLE THAT WALK IN GODS WAY WAY NOT THEIR OWN ;

SO YOUR INTERPRETATION IS SHORT OF TRUTH

May 26, 2013 at 6:23 am#345661

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Really Kerwin?

I disagree.

Mike,

I hear you but Scripture speaks of only the flesh and the Spirit. There is no third option.

Kerwin

the spirit of men ; is wicked and corrupt this means his mind and heart ;why because he does not learn the things that god provide to be change in his ways ;the fruit of the Spirit

means THE FRUITS OF GODS SPIRIT ;NOT AN OTHER SPIRIT

AND BY APPLYING THOSE TEACHINGS TO OUR SELVES WE DO NOT

DO THE THINGS TO SATISFY THE FLESH (OUR OWN EGO)

AND SO BECOME RIGHTEOUS LIKE DANIEL AND JOSEPH AND JEREMY PEOPLE THAT WALK IN GODS WAY WAY NOT THEIR OWN ;

SO YOUR INTERPRETATION IS SHORT OF TRUTH

How does what just wrote disagree with what I am writing?

May 26, 2013 at 12:40 pm#345670

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Really Kerwin?

I disagree.

Mike,

I hear you but Scripture speaks of only the flesh and the Spirit. There is no third option.

Kerwin

the spirit of men ; is wicked and corrupt this means his mind and heart ;why because he does not learn the things that god provide to be change in his ways ;the fruit of the Spirit

means THE FRUITS OF GODS SPIRIT ;NOT AN OTHER SPIRIT

AND BY APPLYING THOSE TEACHINGS TO OUR SELVES WE DO NOT

DO THE THINGS TO SATISFY THE FLESH (OUR OWN EGO)

AND SO BECOME RIGHTEOUS LIKE DANIEL AND JOSEPH AND JEREMY PEOPLE THAT WALK IN GODS WAY WAY NOT THEIR OWN ;

SO YOUR INTERPRETATION IS SHORT OF TRUTH

How does what just wrote disagree with what I am writing?

kerwin

because their are two spirits not one my friend.

May 26, 2013 at 6:13 pm#345693

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Possessing or sharing in a nature doesn't make you a certain person.

Nobody is saying that the Son is the Father, t8.

Yeah Kathi,

But WE are saying “GOD” is one person. So Jesus sharing in a nature with “GOD” does not make him “GOD”.

May 26, 2013 at 6:15 pm#345694

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Again, Jesus is Jehovah our Righteousness!! Amen

So is Israel!! Amen.

May 26, 2013 at 11:28 pm#345722

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Really Kerwin?

I disagree.

Mike,

I hear you but Scripture speaks of only the flesh and the Spirit. There is no third option.

Kerwin

the spirit of men ; is wicked and corrupt this means his mind and heart ;why because he does not learn the things that god provide to be change in his ways ;the fruit of the Spirit

means THE FRUITS OF GODS SPIRIT ;NOT AN OTHER SPIRIT

AND BY APPLYING THOSE TEACHINGS TO OUR SELVES WE DO NOT

DO THE THINGS TO SATISFY THE FLESH (OUR OWN EGO)

AND SO BECOME RIGHTEOUS LIKE DANIEL AND JOSEPH AND JEREMY PEOPLE THAT WALK IN GODS WAY WAY NOT THEIR OWN ;

SO YOUR INTERPRETATION IS SHORT OF TRUTH

How does what just wrote disagree with what I am writing?

kerwin

because their are two spirits not one my friend.

Then why is it written that there is only one.

May 26, 2013 at 11:57 pm#345732

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Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2013,22:42)

Really Kerwin?

I disagree.

Mike,

I hear you but Scripture speaks of only the flesh and the Spirit. There is no third option.

Kerwin

the spirit of men ; is wicked and corrupt this means his mind and heart ;why because he does not learn the things that god provide to be change in his ways ;the fruit of the Spirit

means THE FRUITS OF GODS SPIRIT ;NOT AN OTHER SPIRIT

AND BY APPLYING THOSE TEACHINGS TO OUR SELVES WE DO NOT

DO THE THINGS TO SATISFY THE FLESH (OUR OWN EGO)

AND SO BECOME RIGHTEOUS LIKE DANIEL AND JOSEPH AND JEREMY PEOPLE THAT WALK IN GODS WAY WAY NOT THEIR OWN ;

SO YOUR INTERPRETATION IS SHORT OF TRUTH

How does what just wrote disagree with what I am writing?

kerwin

because their are two spirits not one my friend.

Then why is it written that there is only one.

Kerwin

their is the spirit of truth what is of God and their is the spirit of adversary or opposed to the truth of God ,

like their are two ways in live to walk into ;1) live and 2) dead

May 27, 2013 at 4:51 am#345751

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Possessing or sharing in a nature doesn't make you a certain person.

Nobody is saying that the Son is the Father, t8.

Yeah Kathi,

But WE are saying “GOD” is one person. So Jesus sharing in a nature with “GOD” does not make him “GOD”.

Mike,
Because Jesus is the same type of being as the Father, we can understand Him as the God of John 1:1c who is with the God of John 1:1b in the beginning. So simple!

May 27, 2013 at 4:53 am#345753