The Muslim Fight

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  • #273812
    shimmer
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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 22 2012,04:17)

    Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 21 2012,22:14)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 21 2012,07:02)

    Quote (t8 @ Jan. 20 2012,14:42)
    I checked out your video. This guy has a problem with Catholicism and other related denominations as to their tenants of faith.
    So do I.

    He didn't produce very much in the way of discrediting the bible however.

    If a person drives drunk and crashes his car, does that discredit the manufacturer of the vehicle he was driving?


    He wasn't trying to discredit the Bible just the abuse and tampering with the Bible. I love the Bible but there is no doubt that things have been added and changed around for effect.


    Bod, do you not believe that God can protect 'The Word' which He sent right around the World?  Do you not believe what Jesus said?  That 'This good news of the coming Kingdom of God will be sent as a Witness to all of the Nations – and then the end will come'?

    The Word of God as in the Bible is a Witness to the World.  I can believe in it all.  

    Didn't you used to?


    Actually God did protect His word by revealing the Quran. I have already shown that the Bible has been tampered with the main message of believing in God has not been changed but many things have been altered so that others can control believers that's why you are not Catholic if the bible hasn't been tampered and its usages abusive please tell me why you are not Catholic they are the ones who brought you the Bible itself, No Catholicism no Bible.


    Bod, the only thing that has been tampered with is Mans Minds to not receive the truth of the Scriptures.  It doesn't matter what errors there may be in the translation (example, the Bible that I first picked up five or six years ago was the RSV – Revised Standard Version – and I still use it to this Day).  Just as the fact that five or six years ago, I was watching TV one day in the middle of doing Housework, and there happened to be on a Church Sermon, and I was drawn to the words that I was hearing.  I think that's what got me started.  Then a Catholic friend dropped by and started praying with me and teaching me things.  It was just the beginning. Then I was drawn to the Scriptures and I couldn't stop reading them. Bod, it was the first time I had ever read something and felt like I did.  So where it came from and what errors may be in it – it matters not.

    #273875
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 22 2012,12:13)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 22 2012,02:36)

    Quote (t8 @ Jan. 21 2012,22:38)
    Bod you are always trying to convince people that Islam is the truth and that Christians shouldn't oppose Islam because commonalities are too great to do that. And then on the other hand you try to expose every possible error and paint a picture of mistrust in the bible and the verses that indirectly contradict the teachings in the Koran.

    See how you pick a side that suits you and then change when it fits to do so.

    I believe that consistency and open mindedness are good qualities and I try to live by that. I invite you to do the same.

    Call a spade a space. Don't try to paint the best but different picture when it suits. Paint the picture you really believe, and then admit to changing that picture when you have truly learned something. That way, people would take you more seriously and trust you more.


    T8

    I just showed you that the word “Son” referring to Jesus was also translated “Servant” in the updated thorough translation(More honest translation)

    You still have not conceded that point but look:

    (NKJV)
    Acts 3:26
    To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”

    It use to say:

    Acts 3:26

    King James Version (KJV)

    26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

    Here we go again T8 or anyone else and believe me there are many more instances but I will only do one at a time. Why would anyone translate “Son” for “Servant” unless it was more accurate? Now if the Quran says God does not have a son and that all come before Him as servants and then the Bible proves that Servant can be mistranslated as “Son” what should I believe?


    Hi BD,

    You PROVE over and over again that YOU are 'swayed' by corruption.

    The Greek word [παῖδα] means “Son” not 'servant'!

    Stick with the “AKJV Bible”!

    B'shem
    YHVH


    ED

    The NKJV is still Authorized and has been updated by Scholars of the highest eminence and you suggest they don't know how to properly translate and you do? You someone who cannot even understand that the word “God” is translated in different languages? Ha Ha Ha

    #273877
    shimmer
    Participant

    Bod, how did you come to read the Bible? And how did you feel when you read the Bible?

    #273883
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 23 2012,09:26)
    Bod, how did you come to read the Bible?  And how did you feel when you read the Bible?


    I've been reading the Bible for over 30 years and when I was about 20 years old I read the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation in a weekend. It has always been a great source of strength and inspiration the Quran has only strengthened that.

    #274075
    shimmer
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 23 2012,12:42)
    when I was about 20 years old I read the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation in a weekend.


    A weekend? Really? I wish I could do that.
    Did you read it non-stop without sleep?

    #274149
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 24 2012,19:37)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 23 2012,12:42)
    when I was about 20 years old I read the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation in a weekend.


    A weekend? Really? I wish I could do that.
    Did you read it non-stop without sleep?


    Pretty much, I sat in a big comfortable chair in this big high rise in New York City over looking Central Park, at that time I was taking care of my aunt at her deluxe apartment who was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease which she eventually succumbed to but during that period of time I decided since I had time on my hands to just really read the Bible from the beginning to the end so I sat down in that big luxurious chair and read and read and other than stopping to eat or dozing off I read and read until the reading of The Holy Bible was complete.

    The best thing about really reading something in its entirety is when someone tries to convince you what's in there and you know that they are guessing because you ACTUALLY KNOW.

    Ironically 8 years ago I did the same thing with the Quran except I didn't own one so I got up every morning for 3 days and went to the bookstore and read until reading of The Glorious Quran was complete.

    I know what is written in both and they are both from God

    #274288
    shimmer
    Participant

    Bod, I might do that with the Bible.

    #274295
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

           Do you reject parts of the bible?   …shame on you.

    Quote

    “is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in,
      and do ye reject the rest?” (Sura 2:85)

    B'shem
    YHVH

    #274449
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 25 2012,19:26)
    Bod, I might do that with the Bible.


    It would be awesome. :)

    #274603
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 23 2012,08:17)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 22 2012,12:13)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 22 2012,02:36)

    Quote (t8 @ Jan. 21 2012,22:38)
    Bod you are always trying to convince people that Islam is the truth and that Christians shouldn't oppose Islam because commonalities are too great to do that. And then on the other hand you try to expose every possible error and paint a picture of mistrust in the bible and the verses that indirectly contradict the teachings in the Koran.

    See how you pick a side that suits you and then change when it fits to do so.

    I believe that consistency and open mindedness are good qualities and I try to live by that. I invite you to do the same.

    Call a spade a space. Don't try to paint the best but different picture when it suits. Paint the picture you really believe, and then admit to changing that picture when you have truly learned something. That way, people would take you more seriously and trust you more.


    T8

    I just showed you that the word “Son” referring to Jesus was also translated “Servant” in the updated thorough translation(More honest translation)

    You still have not conceded that point but look:

    (NKJV)
    Acts 3:26
    To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”

    It use to say:

    Acts 3:26

    King James Version (KJV)

    26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

    Here we go again T8 or anyone else and believe me there are many more instances but I will only do one at a time. Why would anyone translate “Son” for “Servant” unless it was more accurate? Now if the Quran says God does not have a son and that all come before Him as servants and then the Bible proves that Servant can be mistranslated as “Son” what should I believe?


    Hi BD,

    You PROVE over and over again that YOU are 'swayed' by corruption.

    The Greek word [παῖδα] means “Son” not 'servant'!

    Stick with the “AKJV Bible”!

    B'shem
    YHVH


    ED

    The NKJV is still Authorized and has been updated by Scholars of the highest eminence and you suggest they don't know how to properly translate and you do? You someone who cannot even understand that the word “God” is translated in different languages? Ha Ha Ha


    Nope!

    #274604
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2012,13:59)

    Hi BD,

    Hell only means “grave”.
    Drop the 'book of fraud', it is
    only confusing you more and more!

    B'shem
    YHVH


    Hi Everyone, this one is a little slower, and I believe better…

    B'shem
    YHVH

    #274654
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    ED

    Who is your Lord?

    #274683
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,05:40)
    ED

      Who is your Lord?


    Hi BD,

    Is your memory that bad, or are you just trying to be deceptive like your false prophet?
    You ask this same question in almost every thread you start; so here's my answer again…

    First:  [יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā translates directly into English as YHVH. (AKJV Bible: JEHOVAH)
    Secondly:  [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă translates directly into English as Joshua. (AKJV Bible: Jesus)

    [אדני]  Âdônây in Hebrew means: “Lord” or “Owner” and is akin to
    [Κύριος]  kü-rē-ŏs in Greek meaning “The Same”: “Lord” or “Owner”

    “YOU” CANNOT argue with this “Bible Truth”! (LORD: means Owner)
    I will orchestrate my explanation around the term “Owner”.
    The AKJV Bible uses: Lord for [יהשוע] & LORD for [יהוה].

             The Same issue: A Closer Examination

    Technically Jesus is: “owner” but NOT “THE OWNER”!
    Lord is more easily understood using the word “Owner”!

    Jehovah is: “The Owner”, and Jesus is: The Son of “The Owner”.
    Jehovah CANNOT DIE, so Jehovah will ALWAYS remain “The Owner”!
    A Son can 'only' become become fully “The Owner” if the Parent dies,
    which in JEHOVAH's case cannot happen; because GOD CANNOT DIE!

    B'shem
    YHVH

    #274706
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,09:36)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,05:40)
    ED

      Who is your Lord?


    Hi BD,

    Is your memory that bad, or are you just trying to be deceptive like your false prophet?
    You ask this same question in almost every thread you start; so here's my answer again…

    First:  [יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā translates directly into English as YHVH. (AKJV Bible: JEHOVAH)
    Secondly:  [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă translates directly into English as Joshua. (AKJV Bible: Jesus)

    [אדני]  Âdônây in Hebrew means: “Lord” or “Owner” and is akin to
    [Κύριος]  kü-rē-ŏs in Greek meaning “The Same”: “Lord” or “Owner”

    “YOU” CANNOT argue with this “Bible Truth”! (LORD: means Owner)
    I will orchestrate my explanation around the term “Owner”.
    The AKJV Bible uses: Lord for [יהשוע] & LORD for [יהוה].

             The Same issue: A Closer Examination

    Technically Jesus is: “owner” but NOT “THE OWNER”!
    Lord is more easily understood using the word “Owner”!

    Jehovah is: “The Owner”, and Jesus is: The Son of “The Owner”.
    Jehovah CANNOT DIE, so Jehovah will ALWAYS remain “The Owner”!
    A Son can 'only' become become fully “The Owner” if the Parent dies,
    which in JEHOVAH's case cannot happen; because GOD CANNOT DIE!

    B'shem
    YHVH


    So who is your Lord?

    #274714
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Go back and actually READ my post this time!

    B'shem
    YHVH

    #274717
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,11:08)
    Hi BD,

    Go back and actually READ my post this time!

    B'shem
    YHVH


    Luke warm Christians, nothing like it

    Revelation 3:16
    So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

    Who is your ONE LORD without hesitation?

    #274721
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    “For though there be that are called gods(like your al-Lah), whether in heaven or
    in earth, (as there be gods(Rulers) many, and lords(Owners) many,(Jer.10:11-11))
    But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
    and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” (1Cor. 8:5-6)

    B'shem
    YHVH

    #274723
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,11:28)
    Hi BD,

    “For though there be that are called gods(like your al-Lah), whether in heaven or
    in earth, (as there be gods(Rulers) many, and lords(Owners) many,(Jer.10:11-11))
    But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
    and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” (1Cor. 8:5-6)

    B'shem
    YHVH


    You still just won't say it and scripture is not helping you because I asked you directly who was your Lord but I guess the scripture you gave says that Jesus is Lord and God is not your Lord although you respect that He is God.

    So you believe in God but belong to Jesus I guess that fulfills the scripture

    Psalm 2:8
    Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

    Deuteronomy 32:21
    They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

    God Almighty is my Lord ED and I am so proud and happy to be able to say that without hesitation you worship the created over the Creator

    Romans 1:25
    Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    ED a message from God to you:

    Isaiah 40:28
    Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

    #274726
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,11:43)
    You still just won't say it and scripture is not helping you because I asked you directly who was your Lord but I guess the scripture you gave says that Jesus is Lord and God is not your Lord although you respect that He is God.


    Hi BD,

    I see that you are still trying to play games with words!
    Perhaps these words will help you to understand TRUTH?
    The word “Lord” is just confusing you, so I will use another.

    GOD: The Father!

    Jesus: A master!

    Hosea 2:16-17 It shall be at that day, saith [The LORD JEHOVAH],
    that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.
    For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth,
    and they shall no more be remembered by their name.

    B'shem
    YHVH

    #274732
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,11:53)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,11:43)
    You still just won't say it and scripture is not helping you because I asked you directly who was your Lord but I guess the scripture you gave says that Jesus is Lord and God is not your Lord although you respect that He is God.


    Hi BD,

    I see that you are still trying to play games with words!
    Perhaps these words will help you to understand TRUTH?
    The word “Lord” is just confusing you, so I will use another.

    GOD: The Father!

    Jesus: A master!

    Hosea 2:16-17 It shall be at that day, saith [The LORD JEHOVAH],
    that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.
    For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth,
    and they shall no more be remembered by their name.

    B'shem
    YHVH


    ED

    Is The “Lord God” your only Lord or not?

    You don't get it do you?

    Here let Jesus teach you:

    John 15:15
    Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

    Now with that piece of education who is your One Lord

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