The Light

[GeneBalthrop]

LU…………i don't think we are that far apart as to the light issue, i believe Jesus reflects to us the Light of God the Father. The reason i believe that is because there is only one truth, and Jesus is said to (IMAGE) GOD so, because the word Image means to reflect or mirror something or some one i assume Jesus is like a reflector of the one and only true truth which is from the Father, And I believe we to are growing in order to, reflect and mirror GOD also, until we come unto the full measure of Christ. Then we too will reflect the Father even as Jesus does.

love and peace to you and yours……………………………….gene

[Lightenup]

That's good Gene. We aren't so far apart. William and I were discussing just this week about the Son of God “reflecting” His Father as Light of LIGHT. So, reflection is a good analogy.

I guess the area that we differ in is when the Son became the true Light. I think that it was day one of creation. I think that you think it was at His baptism. Am I correct?

Another thing we differ on is that I believe the Son is God of GOD. I haven't heard you agree to that.

God bless,
LU

[GeneBalthrop]

Lu……….I do not think Jesus was himself ever (the) true light himself, because it says He was the (image) of GOD. This to me means He reflected the true GOD to us, and as we grow in understanding we to will be more and more reflecting the true GOD also because GOD the Father is creating us into His image also.  Remember the word Image is defined as reflecting or mirroring someone or something. There is (ONLY) one WILL that will be done so therefore all will have to eventually image the one and only true GOD. And when that happens then will be brought about the saying “GOD IN ALL, AND THROUGH ALL” one GOD the FATHER reflecting or being imaged through all creation. But please be assured I know Jesus truly reflected the true light of GOD the FATHER to us all.

AS far as our disagreement on the term GOD of GOD, truely Jesus is from GOD the FATHER, However i do not believe Jesus preexisted his berth here on earth, I believe it, the way Peter said it , “Jesus was (foreordained) before the foundations of the world (BUT) was MANIFESTED in OUR time.  The word manifested means brought into existence.  This gets into the Trinity thread and you know how long that is , but you can go to it and see my views as well as others.

much love and peace to you and yours………………………………………..gene

[Lightenup]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 10 2009,23:54)

Lu……….I do not think Jesus was himself ever (the) true light himself, because it says He was the (image) of GOD. This to me means He reflected the true GOD to us, and as we grow in understanding we to will be more and more reflecting the true GOD also because GOD the Father is us into His image also.  Remember the word Image is defined as reflecting or mirroring someone or something. There is (ONLY) one WILL that will be done so therefore all will have to eventually image the one and only true GOD. And when that happens then will be brought about the saying “GOD IN ALL, AND THROUGH ALL” one GOD the FATHER reflecting or being imaged through all creation. But please be assured I know Jesus truly reflected the true light of GOD the FATHER to us all. AS far as our disagreement on the term GOD of GOD, truely Jesus is from GOD the FATHER, However i do not believe Jesus preexisted his berth here on earth, I believe it, the way Peter said it , “Jesus was (foreordained) before the foundations of the world (BUT) was MANIFESTED in OUR time.  The word manifested means brought into existence.  This gets into the Trinity thread and you know how long that is , but you can go to it and see my views as well as others. much love and peace to you and yours………………………………………..geen

Hi Gene,
Read this carefully and I think that you will see that the true Light spoken of here is the Son of God. This does not mean that His Father is not true Light BTW. The Son is True Light from TRUE LIGHT.

John 1:1-13
a In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

6 There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.

9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
NASU

The greek word for “true” in this passage means:
that which has not only the name and resemblance, but the real nature corresponding to the name, in every respect corresponding to the idea signified by the name, real, true genuine
opposite to what is fictitious, counterfeit, imaginary, simulated or pretended
it contrasts realities with their semblances
opposite to what is imperfect defective, frail, uncertain
true, veracious, sincere

The Son has the same nature as the Father. Do you agree with that Gene?

Blessings,
LU

[GeneBalthrop]

LU………that works if you believe Jesus was what John 1:1 was talking about, but as i have explained Jhon was not talking about Jesus at all< he was talking about GOD the Father , and the word (intellegent utterance) which comes from our intellect is what enlightens every man comming into the world. When we try to make the text say or mean Jesus , when the text does not use his mane at all, this is called forcing the text. If John wanted to mean Jesus he simply would have said Jesus in the text. Trinitarian and Preexistences force the text to make it say what it does not really say. John was talking about the Father who was the source of all creation, and spoke it into existence by the (word) of His POWER (ELOHIM). And this intelligence is what enlightens all men coming into the world.

peace and loce to you and yours…………………………………..gene

[Lightenup]

Hi Gene,
The problem with that is this, the verb “was with” is written in the active voice in the Greek and not in the passive voice. The subject actually does the action. An utterance cannot act on its own initiative.
LU

[Cindy]

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http://www.worldchallenge.org/coverletter/an_urgent_message

I am compelled by the Holy Spirit to send out an urgent message to all on our mailing list, and to friends and to bishops we have met all over the world.

AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE — EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US.

For ten years I have been warning about a thousand fires coming to New York City. It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires — such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago.

There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide. There will be looting — including Times Square, New York City. What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression. We are under God’s wrath. In Psalm 11 it is written,

“If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (v. 3).

God is judging the raging sins of America and the nations. He is destroying the secular foundations.

The prophet Jeremiah pleaded with wicked Israel, “God is fashioning a calamity against you and devising a plan against you. Oh, turn back each of you from your evil way, and reform your ways and deeds. But they will say, It’s hopeless! For we are going to follow our own plans, and each of us will act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart” (Jeremiah 18:11–12).

In Psalm 11:6, David warns, “Upon the wicked he will rain snares (coals of fire)…fire…burning wind…will be the portion of their cup.” Why? David answered, “Because the Lord is righteous” (v. 7). This is a righteous judgment — just as in the judgments of Sodom and in Noah’s generation.

WHAT SHALL THE RIGHTEOUS DO? WHAT ABOUT GOD’S PEOPLE?

First, I give you a practical word I received for my own direction. If possible lay in store a thirty-day supply of non-perishable food, toiletries and other essentials. In major cities, grocery stores are emptied in an hour at the sign of an impending disaster.

As for our spiritual reaction, we have but two options. This is outlined in Psalm 11. We “flee like a bird to a mountain.” Or, as David says, “He fixed his eyes on the Lord on his throne in heaven — his eyes beholding, his eyelids testing the sons of men” (v. 4). “In the Lord I take refuge” (v. 1).

I will say to my soul: No need to run…no need to hide. This is God’s righteous work. I will behold our Lord on his throne, with his eye of tender, loving kindness watching over every step I take — trusting that he will deliver his people even through floods, fires, calamities, tests, trials of all kinds.

Note: I do not know when these things will come to pass, but I know it is not far off. I have unburdened my soul to you. Do with the message as you choose.

God bless and keep you.

In Christ,
DAVID WILKERSON

Edited by t8 on Mar. 13 2009,22:45

[Lightenup]

Hi all,
I had the idea to substitute most of the pronouns with their antecedents to take a different look at this passage. Read through it and see what you think.

John 1:1-13
a In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He(The Word) was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him(The Word), and apart from Him(The Word) nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him(The Word) was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it(The Light).

6 There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He(John) came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him(John). 8 He(John) was not the Light, but he(John) came to testify about the Light.

9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He(the true Light) was in the world, and the world was made through Him(The true Light), and the world did not know Him(The true Light). 11 He(The true Light) came to His(The true Light's) own, and those who were His(the true Light's) own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him(the true Light), to them He(the true Light) gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His(the True LIght's) name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
NASU

Any thoughts?
God bless,
LU

[Not3in1]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 14 2009,03:46)

Hi Gene, The problem with that is this, the verb “was with” is written in the active voice in the Greek and not in the passive voice.  The subject actually does the action.  An utterance cannot act on its own initiative. LU

No, but the “intelligence” of God can, right?

[Not3in1]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 14 2009,03:54)

Hi all, I had the idea to substitute most of the pronouns with their antecedents to take a different look at this passage.  Read through it and see what you think. John 1:1-13 a In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He(The Word) was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him(The Word), and apart from Him(The Word) nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him(The Word) was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it(The Light). 6 There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He(John) came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him(John). 8 He(John) was not the Light, but he(John) came to testify about the Light. 9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He(the true Light) was in the world, and the world was made through Him(The true Light), and the world did not know Him(The true Light). 11 He(The true Light) came to His(The true Light's) own, and those who were His(the true Light's) own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him(the true Light), to them He(the true Light) gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His(the True LIght's) name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. NASU Any thoughts? God bless, LU

Kathi,

This is cool, thanks for doing this!

But I think the Word can also be translated, as another word for God; his intelligence as Gene was pointing out.

Reading it the way you have it here, you can also see how the Word would be God, himself. I can read it both ways.

Thanks,
Mandy

[942767]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 14 2009,03:46)

Hi Gene, The problem with that is this, the verb “was with” is written in the active voice in the Greek and not in the passive voice.  The subject actually does the action.  An utterance cannot act on its own initiative. LU

Well, perhaps the answer is that the Word of God is doing the action through the angels or messengers of God.

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Hbr 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

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Hbr 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Hbr 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

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1Cr 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 1Cr 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 1Cr 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 1Cr 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 1Cr 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Lightenup]

Marty,
Can you show us any scripture that says God made the worlds through the angels?

Hebrews 1:2 has the answer
Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

It is obvious to me that John 1 and Hebrews 1 both agree that God made everything through the Son There is no mention of angels doing anything in creation aside from shouting with joy.

Hebrews 1:2 DOES NOT SAY “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] angels/messengers, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds:

Marty, I read somewhere that you do not believe there is a supreme being yet you believe in God. Is God to you a supreme non-being? I do not know what you mean. Would you mind clarifying?

Thanks,
Kathi

[Lightenup]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 13 2009,16:50)

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 14 2009,03:54) Hi all, I had the idea to substitute most of the pronouns with their antecedents to take a different look at this passage.  Read through it and see what you think. John 1:1-13 a In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He(The Word) was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him(The Word), and apart from Him(The Word) nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him(The Word) was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it(The Light). 6 There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He(John) came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him(John). 8 He(John) was not the Light, but he(John) came to testify about the Light. 9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He(the true Light) was in the world, and the world was made through Him(The true Light), and the world did not know Him(The true Light). 11 He(The true Light) came to His(The true Light's) own, and those who were His(the true Light's) own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him(the true Light), to them He(the true Light) gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His(the True LIght's) name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. NASU Any thoughts? God bless, LU Kathi, This is cool, thanks for doing this! But I think the Word can also be translated, as another word for God; his intelligence as Gene was pointing out. Reading it the way you have it here, you can also see how the Word would be God, himself.  I can read it both ways. Thanks, Mandy

Hi Mandy,

Do you think John 1:1 should say:
In the beginning was the God, and the God was with God, and the God was God?

Or, do you think John 1:1 should say:
In the beginning was the intellect, and the intellect was with God, and the intellect was God?

Is John testifying of the intellect of God that became flesh?
Is John testifying of God the Father becoming flesh?

IMO, the “Word” or the “Light” is not to be translated something other that “Word” or “Light.” Word and Light is the proper translation.

If you want to ask what does “Word” or “Light” mean, you have to verify with other scriptures to see who or what all things came into being through. I have shown a couple of those verses below.

Heb 1:2
in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
NASU

Then compare with this:

Col 1:13-16
1 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him(the Son) all things were created,both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities– all things have been created through Him and for Him.
NASU

In both Hebrews 1 and Col 1 it is clear that God created through the Son and not intellect or merely Himself.

Jesus says that He is the Light here:
John 8:12-13

Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, “I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”
NASU

See here that the same thing is spoken of in regards to “Word” and “Light.”
John 1:3
3 All things came into being through Him (the Word), and apart from Him (the word) nothing came into being that has come into being.
NASU

John 1:10
10 He (The True Light) was in the world, and the world was made through Him (the True Light)
NASU

In conclusion, the meaning of “word” and “light” is the Son of God.
The Word = the True Light and True Light = Son of God

That is the way I understand it. I hope that helps
Kathi

[942767]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 14 2009,13:19)

Marty, Can you show us any scripture that says God made the worlds through the angels?   Hebrews 1:2 has the answer Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; It is obvious to me that John 1 and Hebrews 1 both agree that God made everything through the Son  There is no mention of angels doing anything in creation aside from shouting with joy. Hebrews 1:2 DOES NOT SAY “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] angels/messengers, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds: Marty, I read somewhere that you do not believe there is a supreme being yet you believe in God.  Is God to you a supreme non-being?  I do not know what you mean.  Would you mind clarifying?   Thanks, Kathi

Hi LU:

God made the worlds through His Word, and that is the spirit of the Son.

I can't show you a scripture that he created the worlds through angels, but neither can you show me a scripture in Genesis that Jesus was literally active in the creation.

We do hear God say in Genesis 1:26 “let US make man in OUR image. This is the first verse of scripture that indicates that someone is helping God.

The angels were obeying God as they came and ministered to man, therefore, it was God's Word to man. God speaking to man through his messengers, and making man in His image as they put His Word into practice. This is the only way that I can see the Word being active. It can also be active prophetically, and active when what has been spoken by God is manifest, i.e. “The Word became flesh”.

You say:

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Marty, I read somewhere that you do not believe there is a supreme being yet you believe in God. Is God to you a supreme non-being? I do not know what you mean. Would you mind clarifying?

Sorry LU, I have never ever made any such statement.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Lightenup]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 13 2009,23:16)

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 14 2009,13:19) Marty, Can you show us any scripture that says God made the worlds through the angels?   Hebrews 1:2 has the answer Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; It is obvious to me that John 1 and Hebrews 1 both agree that God made everything through the Son  There is no mention of angels doing anything in creation aside from shouting with joy. Hebrews 1:2 DOES NOT SAY “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] angels/messengers, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds: Marty, I read somewhere that you do not believe there is a supreme being yet you believe in God.  Is God to you a supreme non-being?  I do not know what you mean.  Would you mind clarifying?   Thanks, Kathi Quote Hi LU: God made the worlds through His Word, and that is the spirit of the Son. I can't show you a scripture that he created the worlds through angels, but neither can you show me a scripture in Genesis that Jesus was literally active in the creation. We do hear God say in Genesis 1:26 “let US make man in OUR image.  This is the first verse of scripture that indicates that someone is helping God. The angels were obeying God as they came and ministered to man, therefore, it was God's Word to man.  God speaking to man through his messengers, and making man in His image as they put His Word into practice.  This is the only way that I can see the Word being active.  It can also be active prophetically, and active when what has been spoken by God is manifest, i.e. “The Word became flesh”. You say: Quote Marty, I read somewhere that you do not believe there is a supreme being yet you believe in God.  Is God to you a supreme non-being?  I do not know what you mean.  Would you mind clarifying?   Sorry LU, I have never ever made any such statement. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty,
You made the statement that you do not believe in a supreme being in this post in “feelings”

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Quote (Maranatha @ Mar. 07 2009,17:41) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2009,06:00) Hi and welcome M, God is so near to all of us. But make sure you have obeyed the command to be born again before you trust any experience. Seek first the kingdom.. Thank you for your reply…but why would you imply that I have not been saved?   Just curious….my question is basically WHERE does it say in the Bible that Christians are NOT supposed to feel a closeness with God?   The peace that we experience is spoken of all through the Bible, yet every single Christian out there throws a fit if someone mentions that they “felt” something…..David speaks of “tasting the goodness of God” in Psalms, which implies a feeling.   He also speaks of being “far” from God, and seeking closeness with Him.   If David felt “far” from God, then that implies that he also “felt” a closeness, or otherwise he would not be upset about not feeling close to God. When Elizabeth saw Mary, her baby John “leaped for joy” inside her…she was filled with the Holy Spirit, the Bible tells us.  She sang and was happy because she “felt” something when Mary walked in the room. So obviously these “feelings” are a NORMAL part of being a Christian….or they should be anyway. My question is also the fact that if OTHER religions seem to have similar “feelings”, then what exactly are those feelings, since they are not the Holy Spirit in them? Hi: Yes, of course, feelings and attributes such the following have to be part of being a Christian: Quote Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Do other religions have the assurance of salvation?  Muslims believe that God exists and that they worship Him, but they do not know if they are saved or not.  There salvation would be dependant on whether their good deeds outweighed their evil deeds. As a Christian, I have a personal relationship with God as my heavenly Father.  I just don't believe that there is a supreme being.  I know this for a fact, and I know that His promises of a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness are true. People who practice other religions may experience certain feelings of peace or joy, I really don't know, but they all are in darkness regarding whether or not God exists without a doubt. Love in Christ, Marty

Here is that quote I was asking about:

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As a Christian, I have a personal relationship with God as my heavenly Father.  I just don't believe that there is a supreme being.

Maybe it was a typo, they happen  
I just want you to clarify if that is what you meant to say.
Kathi

[Lightenup]

Hi LU:

Marty,
You said:

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God made the worlds through His Word, and that is the spirit of the Son. I can't show you a scripture that he created the worlds through angels, but neither can you show me a scripture in Genesis that Jesus was literally active in the creation.

It never says that God did it through the “spirit of” the Son does it Marty? Read it carefully:

Heb 1:2
2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
NASU

Col 1:13-16
1 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created,
NASU

The word “spirit” is not even in these verses. That is not subjective.

I can't show you that Jesus was literally active in creation because Jesus was not born yet, He came through Mary. However, I can show you in Hebrews that the Son of God DID have a literal active role in creation. We don't learn of it till the New Testament because that truth was not to be revealed till later.

Heb 1:8-10

8 But of the Son He says,

“YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,
AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS;
THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU
WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”

10 And,

“YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH,
AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
NASU

The word “laid” is in the active voice. It is clear here that the Son was literally active in creation.

Peace,
Kathi

[942767]

Hi LU:

Maybe it is the way that I stated this that led you to believe that I said that I did not believe that there was as supreme being, but that is not what I said. I said:

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As a Christian, I have a personal relationship with God as my heavenly Father. I just don't believe that there is a supreme being. I know this for a fact

In other words, I know for a fact that there is a supreme being. It is not just something that I believe.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Lightenup]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 14 2009,00:26)

Hi LU: Maybe it is the way that I stated this that led you to believe that I said that I did not believe that there was as supreme being, but that is not what I said.  I said: Quote As a Christian, I have a personal relationship with God as my heavenly Father.  I just don't believe that there is a supreme being.  I know this for a fact  In other words, I know for a fact that there is a supreme being.   It is not just something that I believe. Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty,
Gotcha!  I am glad that I asked you to clarify.  Funny how two people can read something and have two different understandings. Please feel free to ask me for clarification when you think that I wrote something that doesn't seem to line up.

God bless,
Kathi

[Cindy]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 15 2009,07:03)

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 14 2009,00:26) Hi LU: Maybe it is the way that I stated this that led you to believe that I said that I did not believe that there was as supreme being, but that is not what I said.  I said: Quote As a Christian, I have a personal relationship with God as my heavenly Father.  I just don't believe that there is a supreme being.  I know this for a fact  In other words, I know for a fact that there is a supreme being.   It is not just something that I believe. Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty, Gotcha ya!  I am glad that I asked you to clarify.  Funny how two people can read something and have two different understandings. Please feel free to ask me for clarification when you think that I wrote something that doesn't seem to line up. God bless, Kathi

Sorry Marty I am still confused in what you wrote! Do you or don't you believe that there is a supreme being? You know that there is, but don't believe?
Irene

[SEEKING]

Quote (Cindy @ Mar. 14 2009,16:35)

Kathi

Sorry Marty I am still confused in what you wrote! Do you or don't you believe that there is a supreme being? You know that there is, but don't believe?
Irene[/quote]

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I just don't believe that there is a supreme being.  I know this for a fact

Allow me to re-write this for Marty.  I believe this is what he is saying.  If not, he can correct me.

I DON'T JUST BELIEVE THERE IS A SUPRME BEING, I
KNOW IT!

Blessings,

Seeking

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