The Light

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
If you believe Jeus is the LIGHT in Gen 1 WHO IS THE DARKNESS?

[GeneBalthrop]

Lu…….I believe one of the problems is understanding what Spirit really is. I have come to see it as (intellect). We are told the God has SEVEN of these Spirits, I believe the are intellects of GOD That scripture says goes through out the whole earth, and Jesus now has these because He has the fullness of the Spirits of GOD. This is what is said in Revelations. I think a lot of things fall into place once we understand what SPIRIT really is.

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick………This issue of SPIRIT, and understanding what it is a very important subject. The reason I say its intellect, which i call intellect (awareness we have) which of course involves our thoughts. I believe Jesus gave us the answer to what spirit is, Jesus said (the words) i am telling you they (ARE SPIRIT) notice what he said was spirit (THE WORDS) were. Now with that lets think about what a word is, a word is simply and expression of our intellect or intelligence. Words is what give us our reasoning ability. So Jesus was simply saying that His words (reasoning expressions) WERE SPIRIT. So then what is Spirit it expressed words, that why it says try the Spirits to see if they are of GOD , so when we are trying these words we are trying the spirits (intellects expressed through words), So from that i deduct the Spirit is simple intellect that is in a person and it can be added to or even subtracted from. Good and Evil are both intellects so they are Spirit. This is just the way i see it at this time, There are a lot of good minds here i wish every one would give us there impute on this subject. I believe it is really important to understand it.

love and peace to you and yours…………………….gene

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Quote (Gene @ Mar. 05 2009,12:05)

Lu…….I believe one of the problems is understanding what Spirit really is. I have come to see it as (intellect). We are told the God has SEVEN of these Spirits, I believe the are intellects of GOD That scripture says goes through out the whole earth, and Jesus now has these because He has the fullness of the Spirits of GOD. This is what is said in Revelations. I think a lot of things fall into place once we understand what SPIRIT really is. peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene

Hi Gene,
Thank you so much for discussing with me. You say that the spirit = intellect, right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Could you please use a word besides intellect, a word that can actually be found in scripture? (Please do not read that as sarcastic, that is not the spirit I ask you to do that in) I think that would help me consider what you are saying. Ya know how the word “trinity” is not in the Bible, neither is the word “intellect.” Do you understand what I am saying?

I found a scripture for you to think about:

Prov 20:27
27 The spirit of man is the lamp of the LORD,
Searching all the innermost parts of his being.
NASU

1 Cor 2:10-13

10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, 13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
NASU

I would say that the spirit searches the reasons behind our intellect (thoughts/knowledge/understanding) not that it IS our thoughts/knowledge/understanding. It searches and exposes our innermost thoughts to God, so to speak. That is what comes to my mind anyway.

Blessings,
LU

[NickHassan]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 06 2009,04:05)

Lu…….I believe one of the problems is understanding what Spirit really is. I have come to see it as (intellect). We are told the God has SEVEN of these Spirits, I believe the are intellects of GOD That scripture says goes through out the whole earth, and Jesus now has these because He has the fullness of the Spirits of GOD. This is what is said in Revelations. I think a lot of things fall into place once we understand what SPIRIT really is. peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene

G,
Why would God need more than one mind?
Have you got several too?
Would it help if you did?

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2009,11:31)

Hi LU, If you believe Jeus is the LIGHT in Gen 1 WHO IS THE DARKNESS?

Hi Nick,
Good question.  Darkness is not a person or a being of some sort.  When God said “Let there be Light” the opposite also began-darkness.  Like when he formed the mountains there were the valleys also. You can't have one without the other. The darkness was seperated from the light and I understand this to be sort of like God putting a wall up in the middle of a huge room, creating two seperate domains, one for those who knew God and were for God, the other for those who did not yet know God or were against God.  I believe that since He saw what He had done on day one to be good, the dark domain was empty. The dark domain has since become occupied.  Darkness is where the light does not shine.

What do you think?
LU

Col 1:13-14

For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
NASU

[NickHassan]

Hi lU,
So light is a person but darkness is not?

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Can light in scripture ever be seen by you now as just
LIGHT?
ILLUMINATION?
UNDERSTANDING?

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2009,13:35)

Hi LU, Can light in scripture ever be seen by you now as just LIGHT? ILLUMINATION? UNDERSTANDING?

Hi Nick,
Obviously the term “light” can mean more than one thing.   It doesn't always refer to the Son of God, for instance it can mean understanding, and it can refer to physical light from the sun and moon and stars and electrical output devices, etc.

I'm not sure why you would ask that.

LU

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2009,13:34)

Hi lU, So light is a person but darkness is not?

Hi Nick,
When I say that the first word from God in scripture is “Let there be Light” I say that it has something to do with the beginning of life within His Son and refers to the term “firstborn of all creation.” Sometimes I share what I think the specifics MAY be because people ask. At those times I am just brainstorming with others since the clear details have not been given me. I do not know specifics, I believe that God gave me the general idea that the light of day one pertains to the Son being the firstborn of all creation.

To answer your question: darkness is not a person, it is the absence of the presence of light and the absence of the enlightenment of a person. The Most High God is Light and Light cannot beget darkness but can be seperated from it. Light begets Light.

LU

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
I thought God spoke to you about something else and this is all your idea?

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2009,14:37)

Hi LU, I thought God spoke to you about something else and this is all your idea?

Hi Nick,
Can you rephrase that comment? I do not grasp what you are saying/asking.

Thanks,
Kathi

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
God did not tell you what you have become fixated about did He?

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2009,15:39)

Hi LU, God did not tell you what you have become fixated about did He?

Hi Nick,
Do you want to paraphrase what you think my understanding here is and I will address your question. Some of the understanding that I have, I believe was given me because I would have never come up with it on my own and so I believe that it was from the Holy Spirit. Other understanding has come from reasoning through scriptures.

Kathi

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
You perhaps should hold to what God told you and not so firmly to the rest.

[Lightenup]

I am very willing for others to challenge my understanding Nick. I will hold onto my understanding until others can present a clearer understanding, then I will gladly consider it.
LU

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
It just seems odd that the initial gift of God has been forgotten while you flesh out your own ideas.
Denominations start in this way

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2009,19:35)

Hi LU, It just seems odd that the initial gift of God has been forgotten while you flesh out your own ideas. Denominations start in this way

Nick,
I am not sure what you think my initial gift was but the understanding that I got from God has most assuredly not been forgotten. It changed my life and it is the understanding that is behind my posts. No, no…not forgotten or unappreciated. You haven't got a clue if that is what you think, don't worry.

I find it very interesting when I come across someone like William/SeekingTruth and share his basic understanding, understanding that neither of us got from a denomination or from extrabiblical teaching or from each other. We both received a unique time of enlightenment too. The unity which that has brought feels great! I hope to find others. Trusting God.

I appreciate your view though,
Kathi

[NickHassan]

Hi ho Silver!

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2009,21:54)

Hi ho Silver!

be careful of the fire water Nick…too much drinkin' will weaken ya.

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